Dropman12

I have Scharn and Atago...I wouldn't recomand Atago if you dont have experiance with CA playstyle, one mistake ruins your game usually. If you know how to play them, Atago is great. I regreted buing it for first few days, then I learned how to use it and its my most played ship by now. Scharn is stranger, it is subpar ship in the beginning, but when you get close to enemy, its awesome fun. On my 3rd game with it I charged into 3 enemy ships which I didnt survive but took down 2 of them and cripled last one, resulting in 180k dmg game. Sometimes frustrating, sometimes pure joy to play. In general BB is best choice right now, as BBS have best durability and are best dmg dealers. But the most important thing is that premium ship is supposed to be played a lot. Which means it must be fun for you, Atago in hands of BB lover is waste of money...

What should be mention is that the most important skil for Gneis/Scharn captain is to know where and when to charge. At the beginnig you simply have to play it like other BBs, unless you find some isolated target. True power of ship comes in later stages of game, where you can use its awesome speed and close distance without being shot from all sides. Im glad I've seen only a few captain that saved their HP (refusing long range duels with Nagato/Colorado, moving from cover to cover) only to chase and decimate lonely ships in the end. Its not so long when I played game like this - average game, fine dmg. When it was like 5 vs 5 and ships spread acros the map, enemy Gneissau ambushed me from behind island, charged me and finished me quickly. Than he repeated it twice, winning game. Thats the situation you want to be in Sharn/gneisssau.

Little oftopic, but what is consensus about new steering mod on Atago? I fing myself in ranked battles dodging like madman way too often. I'm gonna reach 15th sklil soon, so Im tempted to take CE and steering mod 3. Is it viable or fully concealment build is still only way to go?

For what? If any competent player see 3 man platoon making this, he will just leave. BBs have fine range to engage other target, rest has mobility for this. Also 3 ships in small smoke is juicy target for torps. Doesnt matter if you have sonar against torpwall. Platoon of 3 Scharns/Gneis is much more fearsome. Its kinda funy to me how people can rage/whine/shout about something they never played...yet they are sure about their opinion. What about waiting for its final state?

Můžu se zeptat co ty děláš zadarmo pro ostatní, když tě irituje, že WG jde o prachy? Já nejsem žádnej sociopat, ale nezištně pro ostatní udělám tak maximálně to, že podržím někomu dveře, jinak taky nevstávám ráno kvůli dobrýmu pocitu šéfa...

To není ani tak neznalost mechaniky, jako nepochopení slova random. Většina lidí to bere jako synonymum pro vyváženost, férovost nebo konstantnost. Což je blbost, tím spíš že to všichni posuzují podle sebe, což v kontextu těch tisíců her odehraných na serveru každý den je prostě mimo....

Cruiser buff was generaly good idea, problem is that new steering upgrade is at same slot as concealment one. So we have the most important modules available but can choose only one. In the end some CA dont use it because of concealment, others use it but suffer from worse detection, so its not strictly buff. Put it on other slot and it'd be much better for every CA/CL.

There is generaly no better choice for any CA/CL than Concealment expert. Go for it.

Not been in game for about month, I remember there was intention to change gameplay in new patch (0.5.12) by changing frontall armour of BBs. It was meant to prevent BBs standing frontally and shoting without actually moving (or moving forward and backward only). Was this idea left or is it somehow implemented? While I cant see it in patchnotes, it looks like gameplay really changed.

On serious note, when talking about proper aim at Bismarck/Tirp - what doeas it exactly mean? When aiming at citadels, turttleback bounce shells into ships, so instead of citadel hit its only regular hit, right? Because its pretty fine to me, its still lot of damage. Or is it better to aim at upper belt at first? When she is angled and advancing, where to aim? AFAIK it has good frontal armour agains shells with flat trajectory, which means to aim at superstructure, but that also mean lot of overpens, or nott?

Nice Flamu, I really appreciate you show bad MM games as well. Vast majority of youtube vids is about top tier crushing low tiers, which is kinda useless for decent captains. But why you used defensive fire? AFAIK US cruisers are among worst targets CV can find...hard to believe NO has any problems with planes.

I might dissapoint you, but that situation was clearly not your fault. Every ship has its own role, CA is not meant to fight BB. In OP situation, if you charge in it wouldn't change anything, but giving enemy team more points. The battle was lost before that moment. In team game its about team, not one member. So the question should be - did you do what you should (what team needed)? Did you helped to clear DDs, and CAs? If you did, you alowed your BBS to focus on enemies without problems. Than they were just outplayed by enemy forces, that happens. If they spent lot of time by dodging torps, hunting DDs and CAs, than you could do better. I have similar problems with my Atago - I clear DDs when I can, engage enemy CAs when possible, but Im no more than oportunistic vulture when facing BBS. When enemy Bismarck/Tirpitz captains decide its time to charge, stoping them is not your task. Unlike WoT you cannot carry whole team, you have to rely on teammates.

Great one, man. Im thinking about starting US BBS and Im worried about Colo, so this helped alot. What suprised me is you are not using range mod - what do you use instead? AA? From what I understand, Colo has good AA anyway, and CVs are not much present in these days. So range increase looks like nobrainer, especially for slow ship.

The point is torpedos are bad in design - they are not subject of RNG (post hit efects aside). They either hit or mis, and it depends only on DD and BB captain, so they are pretty imposible to balance. You can easily change dispersion of guns, but not torps. The idea is to every class has equal chances, but it also means beginners would be completely wiped out against better players (take note how lower tie guns are unreliable - bad dispersion, arcs, range, so even noob has good chance to not be citadeled within first minute). On higher tiers sklil situation changes, but toprs work same. BB captain who changes course every 2s is virtually imposible to hit. So all DD can do is spam toprs and hope for hit...so good luck with easy solution.

Mě to taky nedává moc smysl. Jestli měli být DD counter na BB, tak se to dlouhodobě nedaří, pokud dobře vím tak měli víceméně vždy nejmenší průměrný DMG a Xp na bitvu. Naopak byli tak špatné, že nemělo moc smysl hrát křižníky, ostatně decentní BB kapitán s torpédy problém nemá, s letadly taky moc ne (proti trochu dobrému kapitánovi Bismarcka s akustikou, skillem na větší dohled torpéd a modulem na lepší viditelnost, pak je DD úplně k prdu). A to, že je v některých hrách je tolik DD mi přijde jenom jako důsledek toho všeho - pokud nechce člověk hrát BB, tak si vezme buď křižník a snaží se prudit BB, nebo DD a může být alespoň trochu nebezpečný pro BB. No a do toho další nerf DD...já k tomu nejsem kompetentní, ale přijde mi, že stačí trochu ubrat u BB, ať se cruiserům trochu líp dýchá a můžou lovit DD jak by měli. Co tak koukám, tak cruisery jsou pro DD ta poslední starost, buď je vymažou CV spotem, nebo BB prostě mění směr každých 20 vteřin... Jinak pro moje Atago výtaná změna, asi přecvičim z Torp Vigilance na Superintendanta.

Same goes for me. Bought it in past, and I was really bad. My biggest issue was i was too greedy and got punished hard. Right now I m being much more patient, I got Incaming fire alert and Atago starts to shine. I cant wait to have concealemant expert on captain, it seems to be huge improvement of ships performance.

Sory liquidGG, but Atago definately cant go 1vs1 with T9+ cruisers. Its awesome ship, but T9+ CAs have better DPM, and heal as well...To me they are the worst enemy Atago can meet. Personaly I'd go for Atago. Its harder to use, especially the beginning of game is hard - there are too many ships around and not much space. Your range is lacking so you cannot engage enemies like MK can. Thats bad. Once there are less ships around Atagos power dramaticaly changes - you can use your superiour speed and stealth to fight where you want and who you want. I went 1vs1 with german GK and burned him to death without taking any damage. You generally dont care if you fight Yamato or Fuso, they will erase you if let them hit you, but you can handle them if conditions are in your favour. There are some dirty tricks Atago can do - i like hiting enemy BB from concealement and wait if BB start turning its guns to me. if yes, I cease fire and dissapear to him. He cannot do anything but bling shot, which is basicaly waste of salvo. Than I wait till he finds another target and repeat this again. She can invis fire, invis torp, she can maintain speed with DD, so capping is possible. So to me Atago has huge potential, and needs to be driven carefully. If you are patient and can save your HP to later stage of game (which is pretty hard sometimes as Atago is considered as XP pinata by every BB player, so they shot you if they can). MK is due to its range and DPM imho easier to play, especialy at beginning of game, but afaik much harder to carry.

Yes, I did. As many others, I expected some kind of accuracy. From what I could see, it is as accurate as other BB. My point is Scharn exel at area where every BB is good - at dealing with cruisers at medium ranges. They did well, but there is problem I was pointing about - first, they are better players than me. Second they are top tier in their video. You are not gonna be top tier most of time, so thats kinda missleading to me. The more, I bet they could do similar results being in Nagato in that games. What Im afraid of is being frustrated in every time you are not top tier...

Honestly this is what I was looking for. Damage against higer tier BBS is very low...damage against angled targed is very low. Damage against distant target is low. Its awesome against cruisers at medium to close range, but it is something no BB strugle at...Im little disapointed.

Zatím teda dost zklamání...všechny replaye ukazují Scharna na topu, jak likviduje křižníky. Což mi přijde dost blbý, každá loď vypadá dobře když je na topu. A každá BB dokáže poslat křižník ke dnu. Takže podle mě dost nevypovídající videa..

So far im kinda confused about Scharnhorst. I saw few vids (Flamu, Notser) and they only showed me that Scharn is great low tier cruiser killer. So far i didnt see anything my Fuso cannot do as well (except torping). Broadside salvo from regular T7 BB can criple any ship it faces, which is something I doubt Scharn can. The biggest problem I can see is noone showed how this ships works when being low tier, which should happen in 50% of its games. I've heard it can play as cruiser, but never seen it...so am I missing something? I wanted to buy it, but right now I cant see reason...

How is Tirpiz staning against other T8 BBs? Not being in game for while, but I was said (shortly after Tirp introdution) that it is weaker than regular BB like NC due to lower caliber and gun placement. Im comming back and thinking of buying Tirp.

A? Nic to nemění na tom, že dopředu nemusíš. Naopak vyrazit dopředu znamená dostat se pod palbu půlky teamu, a naúhlovanej můžeš být jen proti pár lodím. Takže dopředu se nikdo nežene...já vůbec nic neříkám o efektivitě, ale prostě je to podle mě spíš logický vyústění...kdyby se dostřel zkrátil, tak bys prostě dopředu musel.

No naopak by se to mohlo začít hejbat. Už jenom v tom smyslu, že třeba ubude BB a začnou se hrát víc CA. Kempování je imho hlavně věcí dostřelu, není moc důvodů jít kupředu, když se dá loď trefit na 25+km...

Právě že v tom seš těžce mimo. Když si 90% hráčů stěžuje na ekonomiku od uzavřený bety (resp. od momentu, kdy přišel nový ekonomický model), a sere je to, tak si se statistikama můžeš víš co. Hra stojí a padá na tom, jak se nám hraje a ne na ničem jiném. Můžeš mít dokonalou hru, ale pokud to hráči nechápou a nehrajou, tak je to tvoje chyba. Navíc vlastně říkáš, že názor hráčů (tj. nás zákazníků) je irelevantní. Tedy držet hubu a krok. Smůla, většina z nás tohle nebere, buď se bude hra dobře hrát, nebo si jí hrajte sami...viz WoWp...