Smegger213

Enjoyed the tier 5 brawls. But why is the matchmaking more garbage than the normal matchmaker? I have had many games with 2 DD's on one team and 2 Cruisers on the other, with 2 BB's filling the rest of the teams. How hard can it be to put 1 DD & 1 Cruiser on each team. Instead of cruisers on one team and destroyers on the other.

Can you please just stop coming out and suggesting we all go play a Submarine for 20 battles. I can see your warped logic 10 miles away. Get players to play Submarines, then Wargaming will see even more players playing that class, and think all is OK. Then they will do nothing about it. We are not falling for your game. Why can't you just accept that lots of players do not want anything to do with Submarines? You keep saying that the argument has been going around for about 5 pages of this thread already. But you continue to come back at other players in this forum, to try to justify that Submarines are fine and dandy. Isn't it time to cool it, and lay off this thread for awhile. I for one would be glad, to just stick to posting actual reasons why players either like or hate Submarines. It's no good arguing with each other for pages at a time.

No thanks. I would rather crawl on my belly across broken glass with my flies undone, than EVER play a Submarine. Or a CV for that matter. I have no interest in either class.

Wargaming will just tell you that you should have done "SIMPLE MANOEUVRES" lol Yes the matchmaker has been trash for the years, mate.

Is that the best thing you can come up with? Some Japanese Anime crap. I guess I was right. All you want to do is cruise underwater in you stupid Submarine. Then pop up at close range and prey on a ship that cannot fight back at you. That is the only reason you love Submarines.

Totally agree with you there. Submarine loving players can bang on all day, saying that forum polls are not 100% accurate. But the fact of the matter is that EVERY poll on the forums has had the majority of votes either for Subs in their own game mode. Or to remove Subs altogether. Now, you can bang on all day and say that these polls are not indicative of the views of the majority of the player base. But you will never be able to prove that is the case. Only Wargaming can produce evidence of the main player bases views. They have conducted in game surveys on more than 1 occasion regarding Submarines. But Wargaming will NEVER PUBLISH THEIR DATA. Now why would that be? Its not just polls either. You only have to look at the response to official Youtube videos on Subs. You only have to look at the conversation in Streams from the likes of Flamu and others. All these sources show an huge negativity towards Submarines. But they would have us believe that the so called Silent Majority loves Submarines. Well, only Wargaming can come up with the data to prove that. They may produce some graphs in the future to say what percentage of players are playing Subs. But if they do that, they will have to wait a few months to get more accurate data. Obviously more players are trying Subs out at the moment. But I expect that to die down after a couple of months.

Well, we all know that all ships with rear dropped depth charges are a joke, even the ones on a Destroyer. You have to attempt to chase down the sub to drop your water bombs on him. Meanwhile 9 times out of 10, you are exposing yourself to enemy fire while trying to charge down that Sub. Makes you wonder why lots of players hate Submarines.

If you look at your stats, you will see 4 submarines listed as "OLD". These will be the Submarines you played during the testing phase. I had a quick look. You played: 4 battles in tier 6 U-69 13 battles in tier 6 Cachalot 16 battles in tier 8 Salmon 6 battles in tier 10 Balao Now that is a very small number of battles to be complaining about accumulated XP disappearing. You should have know that they were only in the game at that point for testing. Its the same with me playing the game as an Alpha Tester. I played the game in the Closed Alpha, but when it got officially released, all my progress was reset. We all knew this would happen.

So, I assume that Sunleader wants some ships to have no defence against Submarines. Now, you are showing your true colours. You want to ride around underwater in your Submarine. Then pop up at short range and torp a ship that has NO defence against you. You wonder why so many players say they hate Submarines.

Yet, you feel the need to again post a massive answer. This time its 41 sentences long, not counting the numbered bullet points. The longer your answers, then the less chance players will bother to read them. Oh and you should know that you cannot start a sentence with "And".

You are the one that came out with the insulting attack, not me.

So what. I have explained before that my main game used to be WoT. That is why I only have 2k battles. Oh, I didn't know that it was a requirement to have thousands of battles to actually know something about the game. Now who's the laughable one? Not everybody has the time or patience to play for over 16k battles like you. Plus I am not even playing with this account now. I do have 2.

Polls are not biased towards haters. Or is it only haters that come to the forums? I would disagree. Oh and your "last 10 years" comment is invalid. The game has only been in business for 7 years. Oh and NO, the silent majority have not been asking for Submarines for years. For a start, that is a contradicting sentence. IE, how can a silent majority ask for anything? They are silent. I have been playing this game on and off since the Closed Alpha, and in all that time. I have not seen or heard of masses of players asking for Submarines.

I am not remotely interested in anything you have to say either. So don't bother, I am not interested.

Dear Sunleader Yet again you come back with a massive tirade of an answer that I just cannot be bothered to read. Yet again you have to write a massive essay to justify your love of Subs. I just don't care any more. Players like you will just not accept the argument against Subs. You have to voice and counter anybody that disagrees with your opinion. As to me. I am having a great time playing brawls at tier 5. Not 1 submarine in sight.

NO, I am not saying nerf Submarines into the ground. REMOVE HOMING TORPS. Homing torps are just some fantasy crap that Wargaming dreamed up to have some mechanic to tempt players into playing Subs. They have no basis in reality as far as WW2 is concerned. Now you can bang on all day, and say there were real homing torps in WW2. But the fact of the matter is that there were very limited numbers of homing torps during WW2, and they were only for experimental testing. Give Submarines the same torp mechanic as every other ship in the game that has torpedoes. Every other ship in the game has had to learn how to aim and fire torps. Submarines should be using the same mechanic. This would mean, NO stupid sonar ping locks, and no more over loading of the Damage Control. Oh yeah that's another thing. There was no submarine in WW2 that had an active sonar like the one that Wargaming has implemented into the game. Also, stop giving Submarines stupid unrealistic speeds at least on the surface. No Submarine in the world should be able out run a Destroyer. 37 knots for the proposed tier 10 Russian Sub, is a complete joke. This speed will go above 40 knots with the appropriate modifiers attached. If Wargaming did these 2 things, I don't think it would be nerfing Submarines into the ground. But let me guess. Its precisely the fact that Subs get homing torps and sonar ping locks, that endear you to love Submarines in the first place. Give Subs an OP mechanic and players like you love them, while the rest of us have to suffer. No doubt you will come back to me with yet another long wall of text to justify yourself. But, I wouldn't bother, because I have no interest in reading it.

Isn't it funny how some players will go miles out of their way to justify having Submarines in this game. Players will write massive essays to justify what they are saying. You have to answer back constantly because you feel the need to put down all the haters of submarines on the forums and elsewhere. I wish you would all just shut up for once, or come up with valid points about what makes you love submarines. You can come out and quote forum polls etc, till the sun goes down. The fact of the matter is that every forum poll that I have seen, had a very large percentage of votes against submarines. Or the vote was split between keeping subs in their own game more, or removing subs all together. With a very small number of votes for submarines. Now you can bang on all day about the number of total voters in any given poll. But its still a representative sample, that Wargaming should not ignore. Its the percentage of votes for and against that counts. Me, personally. I could accept submarines if Wargaming actually bothered to balance them properly. 1. Get rid of stupid Homing Torpedoes. 2. Get rid of sonar ping locks, and using Damage Control to counter a sonar lock. I know this would be got rid of, if homing torps disappeared. Or if homing torps are to stay, make something better to counter a sonar lock. Not the overloaded Damage Control. 3. Stop subs from shot gunning ships by massively increasing the arming distance of sub torps. Plus raise the ships spotting distance of sub torps. 4. Give subs a more realistic top speed both on the surface and underwater. EG the proposed tier 10 Russian sub with a 37 knot top speed on the surface is absurd. This would mean a speed above 40 knots with a speed flag etc. 5. Give DD's and Cruisers, the forward firing Hedghog Depth Charges. This would help towards putting your ship into enemy fire when trying to get on top of a sub to drop charges on it. 6. Increase the range of ASW aircraft drops on those ships where that range is slow. 7. Make a CV player control his own ASW, instead of giving a CV a "get out of jail" card with auto ASW planes. The way Wargaming are going about the gameplay of Submarines and the gameplay against submarines. They will never be able to balance them fairly, unless they are drastically changed.

Its the same reason why Submarines were in early access for less than a month. Wargaming just couldn't wait to force these monstrosities onto the player base. Also, you cannot just buy a submarine right away. You have to grind out 40000 XP on the tier 6 Destroyer, before unlocking a submarine. A CV can be grinded out at Tier 4, with just 11,000 XP from the Destroyer line. I suppose lots of players will have used converted Free XP to get into Submarines too.

Whatever. We will have to take note that I disagree with you. I did note that using a yearly graph, there were far more ups and downs in 2021, compared to 2022.

The trouble is, you are showing a graph with a 2 year period. Therefore, the data is more compressed and hard to read. You get a better idea if you look at the 6 month graphs. Also, you are only looking at the EU server. You need to look at all the servers. Now, you mention a typical summer high. Well, if you look at the 6 month graphs, there is actually a dip in player numbers during the summer months. This rises back up in September, but then there is a steady drop in numbers from about the middle of Sept, to the end of October. This drop is more pronounced on the NA and Asia servers, with NA showing the sharpest drop. There is a peak in Sept on the Russian server, but then another decline in Oct. For some reason the Russian server 6 month graph stops in Oct, but the others continue into Nov. I will be keeping an eye on these graphs over the next 6 months. After all, we don't really know if these numbers are truly accurate. Only Wargaming know what the true numbers are.

If you look at all those graphs for the latest 1 year period. All the servers have been showing a steady decline in player numbers from towards the end of Sept. With a bit of a recovery from the end of Oct in to the beginning of Nov. The drop has not been severe on the EU server. But the NA server shows a sharp drop. From a high of over 14,000 on 19th Sept, to a low of 5600 on 3rd Nov. NA has bounced back slightly up to today. The Asia and Russian server show similar drops, with similar rises in early Nov. But the question is. Will this slight rise at the start of November continue? We shall have to see.

Nice words mate. My view has always been that if I do not voice my opposition to subs, with valid reasons for that opposition, then Wargaming will just assume that everything is fine. They will never change any sub game play. I hate having to waste a Damage Control to counter a sonar lock. There is no point in using damage con most of the time, because the sub just pings you again. I hate stupid unrealistic homing torps. I hate the totally unrealistic speed of subs both on the surface and underwater. I hate being shotgunned by a sub that I did not see till the last minute and could do nothing about. I hate the fact that if I am a depth charge equipped DD or cruiser, I have to put myself into enemy fire to try to chase down a sub. I hate the fact that a CV now gets a stupid auto ASW, so the player does not have to do anything himself against a sub. Have I missed anything out lol?

I have mentioned many times the following: 1. The overwhelming hate for subs in every poll that has been put on the forum. 2. The overwhelming hate for subs in every forum thread about subs. IE there are far more players vocally against subs on the forums, against players that like them. 3. The amount of dislikes I have seen on every video on the official Youtube channel. But every time I mention things like this, I am dismissed and my arguments are commented as invalid. Comments like "the forums are not representative of the player base" etc etc. Or these arguments about the dislike ration, when the fact of the matter is that there are a greater number of dislikes, to likes on submarine videos. Now we know that this figure that I see with the extension may not be totally accurate. I prefer to take it as a gauge of general opinion. Now I know that lots of players are playing subs at the moment. I do hope that figure dies down once the novelty wears off. Because as far as I am concerned, subs are BAD for the game.

I never said he was rude. I said all he does is come back all the time with yet another counter argument or words to that effect. Some people on here just do not know when to shut up.

Whatever. I am sick of reading your garbage rhetoric anyway. Players like you only exist on here to put down any player that does not agree with you.