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Yet again you get it wrong. I have never said the game is dying, and I certainly never said it is dying because of Subs, so get your facts right. I have not even said that I totally believe any of these new graphs. What I have said is that the average online figure is slowly dropping. Does that mean the game is dying? No it doesn't. Unless it gets to a stage where Wargaming stop making money. You are right that I have said Submarines have ruined the game. I don't dispute that. Same as the CV rework and Superships have ruined the game. Oh and how am I promoting these new graphs exactly? If you mean by posting in this thread, I am somehow promoting these graphs. If that is the case, then every other poster in this thread is promoting these graphs LOL.

I really don't give a monkey at anything you say pal. But, for what its worth, I HAVE NEVER SAID THE GAME IS DYING BECAUSE OF SUBMARINES. Go check any of my posts. Have I ever said the game is dying because of Submarines? I know the graphs presented here have to be taken with a pinch of salt. That is why I prefer to read the average online figures from the other stats site. You cannot deny that those figures are slowly dropping.

To use one of your sayings. That is not what I meant mate. See, look mate. Lets take an example of those graphs. The players in clans graphs are pretty similar for Asia and EU 5% to 6% With over 10% in clans on NA. Oh, and all the graphs use different parameters to get the results of each graph. So, MATE, the graphs are not the same because of the way they count players.

Interesting that all three servers seem to show very similar results in all these graphs.

I wouldn't say that many players posting on the forums are toxic towards new players. However, there are plenty of keyboard warriors, that are toxic towards any player on the forums that has a different view about an aspect of the game than themselves. These players know who they are, and they exist on the forums, just to grief on anybody that doesn't agree with them.

Makes me wonder why players that bad, continue to play in the first place. If you are really that bad, then surely it can't be any fun playing at all?

If you are happy with how the game is. Why do you hang about on the forums all day, just waiting for the opportunity to come back at all those players that are NOT happy with the game? Like others have said. Why don't you just play the game and stay away from the forums. After all, you yourself say that posting on the forums is a waste of time. Esp if you want Wargaming to change something.

Yet another stupid wall of text that just turns players off to not bother reading it. Oh and your TROLL comment is a bit rich, considering YOU are the biggest TROLL on the forums. Oh and all these walls of text that you come out with, are all off topic. Nothing to do with the subject of dropping player numbers per say. Remember that this thread is about these new graphs that have been produced. Oh and your other comment where you accuse me and others of just being total haters of all aspects of the game, is just not true. Most of us are willing to give Wargaming praise when they do something good. Its not often, but it does happen. If you look at my posts. I mostly post in the threads that I may be interested in, or have concerns about. That is mainly the Submarines, Matchmaker, player numbers and possibly the CV thread. Unlike you and others, I don't pollute nearly every thread on the forums. You and a few select others, just cannot accept the fact that many players have issues with Wargaming, and those views are contrary to your own.

I have told you before, Wargaming take no notice of any external review sites etc. There are currently over 23000 bad reviews on the games Steam page. Do you really think Wargaming take any notice of that? Oh and yet again you come back with personal attacks. You should take a good look at yourself and your attitude.

To this, I will just repeat what I said before. I know its likely that Wargaming take little notice of complaints on the forums, or anywhere else for that matter. But if no players voiced their concerns about any aspect of the game, then Wargaming will not do anything at all. Just leaving the game, and saying nothing will have little effect on Wargaming's views. But just maybe one day, they will take note of player concerns, and do something about it. Its a big ask, I admit. But we ain't going away pal. But its a sad fact that players like you, just constantly have to come back at others, just because they don't have the same views about the game, that you hold.

I found out that blocking a player on the forum just stops you from seeing their posts. It does not stop them from seeing anything you post. Oh and I know that some players put others on their ignore list, so that those players cannot personal message them. This ensures that they can continue to berate and provoke other players on the forum and be free of any PM telling them to stop it from said players.

Well, that is where you are wrong. You. nor any other normal player has any idea who from Wargaming actually reads the forums. It may be that only community managers and moderators read the forums. But you cannot prove it either way. Unless you actually work for Wargaming at a high level.

There is no point in using review sites, or other gaming communities. Its likely that Wargaming will not read such stuff on those sites. At least on a games forum, there is more of a chance that the developers may read it and possibly act on it. I know this is a hard thing to ask where Wargaming are concerned. We all know that they don't give one fig about their own player base. Oh and I do hope you count yourself in the list of the same few names we all see on the forums. Oh and this is a discussion about player numbers. So lets all of us just stick to the subject matter, and stop berating each other because we have different views.

Come on then Mr Wise Guy. Tell us all where we should achieve more in what right place exactly? I would have thought a games actual forum, would be an ideal place to speak about that game? But maybe I am wrong. The games forum, the games YouTube channel, the games reddit pages. They are not the places to discuss our concernes according to you? Now who is the biased one? But just because I don't like Submarines, CV Rework, Superships, and the matchmaker. But that makes me biased in your view. Now that is ridiculous.

So according to your philosophy. We should all just shut up and leave it all to the Wargaming fan boys. I will just repeat what I said earlier. If players don't voice their concerns with the game, in such places as this forum, Youtube, Reddit, Discord etc etc. Then Wargaming will just think everything is fine and dandy, and do NOTHING.

Look pal. There is a big difference between leaving the game, and being active on the forums. Oh, and if people don't come on the forums to voice their concerns. Then Wargaming will just think everything is fine, and do NOTHING. I personally want to see Wargaming change things, and then maybe I would start playing again. But, I will absolutely defend my right to post and comment on the forums or whatever medium concerning the game there is.

Yes mate. The fact that they are going out of their way to improve bots, is surely an indication of slowly falling player numbers? Now bots are being added at low tiers, up to tier 5 now. Plus we have the idea of cross server battles. Another indication of dwindling player numbers. Starting a new battle in the same ship, before the first battle is over. Another indicator of dropping player numbers. Then we have Wargaming constantly releasing any new content, behind the pathetic early access pay wall. Lets milk the player base for everything we can get. I played the game in the Closed Alpha. I may not have had a massive amount of battles. That is because my main game used to be WoT. But for the last 3 years, I have been constantly disillusioned by all the crap that Wargaming have put into the game. SUBMARINES, CV rework, Superships, Hybrid BB's, and DD's with planes. All this garbage content has now driven me away from the game. Both WoWS and WoT have been un-installed from my PC. Another happy customer, eh Wargaming?

You are conveniently forgetting that there is more than one graph on this web site. Are they all wrong? Even on the other stats web site, you can see the average players online gradually dropping. It seems to me, that you and Wargaming are in denial.

Oh dear, never mind eh? So glad I quit playing a couple of months ago.

Oh dear, never mind eh? I am one of those players that has quit, both WoWS and WoT. Wargaming are just killing their own game from within. Pathetic Submarines did it for me.

Yawn

Dev blog changes to Russian Submarines. I AM SO GLAD I STOPPED PLAYING THIS ONCE GREAT GAME MONTHS AGO. Wargaming, you are pathetic. 80% of the player base HATE Subs, yet you come up with this utter garbage. I really hope your game dies a slow death. All you will have left, is BOT's playing surface ships, and whales playing CV's and Subs.

I am so glad I stopped playing this once great game. Wargaming just has no idea. They don't know the meaning of the word BALANCE. Soviet Subs, how pathetic Wargaming. I really hope you lose yet another ton of players.

One can only hope. Unfortunately we all know Wargaming do not give one hoot about their own player base.

Oh look, a survey popped up in my client today asking about the last 2 updates. Guess what I told them about Submarines? Yes, you guessed right. I told them that Submarines have totally ruined this game. There were also questions about how fun and engaging it was to play against Subs in a DD, BB and Cruiser. Guess what I said? Yes I told them it was NO FUN at all in any DD, BB or Crusier. I also told Wargaming that they had now made Ship Camo's totally useless, after the economic rework. Funny that eh.