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Can someone tell me why my Sovietsky Soyuz is shown in the dockyard ? Tought we were building Odin over there...

Well even if CVs would be balanced they would be still fustrating, nothing is worse than taking shots from an enemy while you literally cant fight back. WG should move the carriers more towards a supporting position instead of the best dmg farmers. Just for some ideas: Some planes which could lay smoke curtain like they did in WW2. Some usable fighters who can actually kill planes & not just deny a circle Some planes with ASW capability if the stupid subs get into the game And for DDs shake that stupid rocket plane idea needs to go XD, just spotting them punish them enough no need to chunk them for 25-30% of their HPs on top.

:D and this disparity will get worse and worse each patch.... take a old T5 like the Newyork and meet a new T7 like the Sinop on paper its +2 tiers but it will feel so much painfull than facing an old T7 like the Nagato.

Yet another wallet sponsored powercreep we got ?

Wow ... if that is true its really sad.

You are right on that one :D Also WG has the adventage in this minor sector by being almost in a monopol situation ( Yeah i know WT from Gajin is there too, but their ships game is far from ready i guess).

Near future ... is it even 2020 ? You would better get fast on the changes or it might end up like another Puerto Rico level of dissapointment. I dont know what is going on in WG HQ in the past 2 years but 2019 and 2020 sofar was almost a complete failure... back in the day we tought that Graf Zep was a huge failure ... from todays view it looks like WG standard. We got enough CV rework, Smolensk drama, PuertoRip-off please lets think twice and get it done right this time, save CBs before it is too late.

Maybe WG should make CVs and Submarines both a special mode i guess well over 50% of their players would go for DD, CA/CL, BB matchmaker & not the ones with CVs, Subs , or both ...

Let me correct you: Because of Haku totally ruining the gameplay in the last CB season.

Because WG love the HE spam & perma burning BBs :D

BTW WG did nerf premiums already, Blyskawica was hit quite hard when WG removed the stealth fire option on open water from it. Or a more recent one, the slingshot remove for CVs , thats basically a nerf to all premium CV save for the T8 RN premium who got the exception.

Something like this i had on my mind for that :D

Well at least RTS CVs camo was refundable when the dumbing down happened to the new state. But yeah generally investing into perma camo is totally pointless for multiple reasons. 1) Your ship will be powercreeped in the forseeable future 2) Economy wise you dont need them from the point you get your 1st T9/10 coal ship 3) T10 gameplay in the current meta is quite boring HE spam on max range

Yeah ... Russian cruisers are decent, also their Battleship ... but compare the Nevsky to is Steel/Coal Comrades, both the Smolensk and Stalingard are probably more powerfull. Russian bias aside, the coal/FXP/ Steel ships are allways stronger than their tech three pals, getting a JB, Alaska, Balacegrad, Spamensk or a Thunderer makes the tech three ships of similar role obsolete and totally inferior.

So WG droped the idea of a CV which cant rolfstomp the avg DD players ? Or AP rockets proved to be too OP to give it to a German line .... and we will see that feature later... on some more mighty ship line ? Nah ... Dockyard 3.0 maybe , might be an even better cashgrab :D

You were right on that one and ofc it was not a lie. Just the data you have provided has not much to do with the general popularity of CVs. What you have checked is just a really small segment of carriers ( havent checked but im quite sure T10 is the least played tier for CV). Also do we know since when WoW Numbers log battles for CV as this is yet another question regarding that compairson. To be honest the best way to measure if WGs rework worked in promoting CV play is to check what % of the players play the class on a regular level on a broader sample ( eg Q1 for each year), but i guess data regarding this is only available for WG and not for the public.

Isnt what you state for number of battles played ? and what @El2aZeR states is regarding how many % of the players chosed to play a CV game ? If 0.5% of the playerbase plays the hell out of T10 CVs that doesnt mean that it is popular. On top we have CVs only on 4 different tiers opposed to the old 7 different tiers in RTS, that by alone would resoult more T10, 8 , 6 , 4 games .

@El2aZeR Do you have the same numbers for high tier DDs too ? I feel like CV rework made more impact to DDs popularity than what it did to CVs popularity.

Well that would definetly help a bit , but the main issue in this regard is still the 152-130 mm guns with absurd RoF and ranges fire % , but that is again not a too hard fix , as a rework for AFT, BFT & the complete removal of DE cpt perks would do an easy fix on them.

I keep seeing the MM related threads and i cant really understand players. The non stop steamrolls has nothing to do with the random MM , saddly this is due to the meta of the game, high tiers is literally just a long range effective DPM race. The reason why lik a good 80% of the games are steamrolls is that the current meta makes combacks insanely hard to pull off. 1)DDs the major source of combacks are doomed by the high RoF radar equiped cruisers and CVs attack planes. 2) Max range engagements + too good vision and DPM make flankings far less effective, you get less and less close up AP salvoes. 3) Game is dominated by HE spam, one ship sink you get less HE spammed out , less fire , less dmg , you are bound to lose out on the HE DPM race of high tiers once 2-3 good spammer goes down , and its more than likely that you will just lose the game due to the early loss of 1-2 ship only. WG needs to look into HE and fire mechanics and CVs , the current state of them make games boring and onesided once someone gets even a little early adventage.

Oksa, that sounds reasonable, as Graf Spee was a Xmas reward if im correct, maybe as a side note, coal would be a far more fitting compensation for cases like this, i bet a lot of players would gladly take the coal placeholder from the PTS over the credit compensation.

As long as half the community is willing to throw 40-50 EUR at WG whenever they put something in the shop, it is a valid and profitable business. As for the no-refund or exchange for the Moskva 5000 doublon camo & no refund for the Graf Spee, i guess WG lost more than what they have gained with it... yeah some player will pay regardless , but they had a bad hit on their already bad reputation. @YabbaCoe Is this credit refund for duplicate premiums a one time exception for the Dockyard 2.0 or is it the new WG policy on duplicate premiums ?

Same go for the Tier 10 if you had Moskva .. but there the added grind is 242.000 exp.

This really looks like an event made only for players who dont have the Graf Spee. The Odin is looking weak compared to the other premium German BBs like Tirpitz or Scharnhorst , and that 2 ship not only better, its cheaper too and also they were REAL WW2 ships. Maybe if the Graf Spee would be refunded in doublons and not credits, or the Odin would have T8 and not T5-6 level HP things would have been different.... this way its a pass for me. Hope Dockyard 3.0 if you even make one will be a decent event, as the Original Dockyard was a disaster and the 2.0 is a wasted oportunity.

Is this season just a one time test to try out if Carriers fit into Clan Battle, or WG will force CB to stand for Carriers Battle instead of Clan Battle ? Right now the whole gamemode feels like a race that which out of the 2 Haku can own the enemy team faster. IMHO CVs are already too powerfull in the 12v12 random games format ... 7v7 they are just out of control. Im not saying that CV has no place in CBs, but with their current power a T8 one would make much more sense in T10 CBs compared to the OP Haku what is basically pushing out anything what is not a Soviet or US Navy cruiser or EU DD. @Excavatus You are right that finally it break the Soviet CA, Des Moin island hugging meta , which is the right thing to do. But as T10 CVs are now they are just way way over powered for the 7v7 , and the CV or BB choice basically exclude BBs completly out of Clan Battles. So all in all we get an even more 1 sided gameplay with the current rules. As an idea on how to maybe alter the old meta to something new and fun , WG maybe should try swapping around the available nations for each season. I would really like to see what would happen in CBs if the typical US and Soviet ships would be excluded for 1 season.