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While I agree that is not ilegal and “difficult to justify from a business and resources point of view “ to not have a Spanish community up and running, it still makes no sense whatsoever that, after the complete removal, they “need” to erase all of what was left....and we belive have the right to ask WHY. Why the sudden need for wiping out it? It’s beyond my reasoning honestly. Also, how WG is supposed to make our community, or our brothers in sin the Turks, grow if they simply don’t help us? I’m sorry but until I get my response, and a proper one, from WG, I will be here asking and questioning. Hope you understand.

The number of secondary guns is the same as the Warspite, but the platform is obviously worse. The problem with Spee is that the guns have such poor consistent accuracy and even if you get the perfect shot, it can end badly, with low damage, overpens, etc. The HE itself is not bad, but the reload coupled with bad accuracy makes almost impossible to reliable hit DDs and/or set on fire BBs. The AP nerf to 283 and up was not coincidence; it was made for nerf how BBs deal with DD and I’m ok with that, but for the Spee ended up being terrible. Now what is supposed to be? Wait for the long reload and fire an average HE with bad accuracy and not even good number of barrels? I may dodge the torpedos because of hydro, but if I can’t hit him, he will continue to torp me. And my hydro doesn’t last forever. If the Spee is to act as a cruiser killer, give her accurate guns to do that.

That is what the safest bet I would say. It would leave Seydlitz for tree, which would have its differences and then we can have the WW2 Hipper class Lutzow for doing the same with USRR tree. We can get a Kutuzov substitute and a German CL for the prize of one!

Yeah I get that; if you go to my proposal about the BC tree, you can see that we actually christened her Clausewitz. But I still would love to get the Blucher instead of nowadays Yorck, because is a real ship and not a paper precursor to Spee. It would be a tier bully with the combination of firepower, speed and tankiness it has. Look how the Viribus got moved to tier 5 (which I hope is not final). In tier 4 I feel we need a Goeben/Yavuz for German/panEuro tree. It would be really nice to have our beloved Sultan as a German Nueve de Julio/Boise thing don’t you agree?

I would love to see those too. The only thing is that they use names that may be needed for other ships. For example, I would have preferred that instead of Yorck we got Blucher because is more historical; just give her old pre buff Hipper guns and would be nice. Then it leaves the Yorck name free for the Ersatz Yorck class of BCs. About Seydlitz and Lutzow, the former I think should not used because is the same name of the most probable tier 4 of the BC tree. But Lutzow could be nice, because it could act as a Boise/Nueve de Julio for the russian Navy too and, if they ever do that, Admiral Sheer could be the tier 6 without worrying about the Deutchland aka Lutzow panzershiffe.

I like my Giulio a lot but I agree that the ship is just too strong for the tier. Without changes aside of the plating I think is also worse than some ships of tier 6, because lacks HP, reload and caliber. So I thought of the following: Make Cavour tier 5 with slight (or not) nerfs (1.7-1.8 sigma and a bit more of other things like turret traverse?) Cesare at tier 6 with a bit better HP (50k-52k) and a reload buff because low caliber and low barrel count? Doria should be the tech tree tier 5 and Caracciolo the 6. If they want they can even go a Makarov way and do Cesare/Russian Cesare, and add also eventually Royal Sovereign/Russian R Sovereign. We would have then 2 Italian premiums and 2 tier 6 soviet BB premiums, the overmatching and slow one and the fast and nimble one.

I know this is a necro post but it makes me sad Just kidding

Well to be fair, I’m not a pro of English language; I guess is because I’m from Spain and the languages are so I different. But if at least 2 more people which: @1MajorKoenig is, I believe, German (I saw your posts on the German forum section so yeah that is my guess ) @ColonelPete is, a cat? Lol sorry no idea If they and me understand the same way what you said, I bet it would be that way right? (This sounded better in my head than written. Need to keep improving). I think the fact that we are are talking about this in the official WG forum would be enough for them to notice. I mean, the WG staff is here for this kind of things and they do hear and take notes. We the Spanish community unfortunately lost our own forum and now we only have one CC left for both EU and NA, which random people of the community try to help to keep us together, provide things and such. We even created our unofficial website, I can give you the link if you want. Off topic done Getting back to the ship, sure we can’t do as we please and tweak her to be how it was supposed to be; that is WG job and I’m fine with that. That is why I’m doing this kind of “complaint”, together with others. We are saying what we think should improve the ship performance without braking the balance. I have 2 options: 1 Better AP and HE: Most of the tier 6 ships have good AP or HE. Even other unfinished ships like Normandie get a respectable upgrade to their armor piercing. Why would the Eitel Friederich be ruled out of this? Also and along with this, a bit better ballistics would be nice. 2: Improve the reload to historical levels: The reload is just too low for the low caliber and barrel number it has. See how Dunkek has become a decent ship with the improved reload, I would like to see same treatment for Eitel. It has worse shells and layout than Dunkerque, so the original plan of 25 seconds reload doesn’t seem OP. And again, is historical and should be tweaked for game balance (like how New York reload was buffed to improve her). It would probably still have lackluster performance on the shells, but at least it would be easy to get more of those shells in the air. So after all this, will WG change PEF? I hope so. I really do want to have a fun ship but right now I can’t. PD: As a matter of fact; Any ideas of how to build her now with the rework?

By that same logic, why we can say that Montana, Amagi and more are good when they “go against established performance”? So much this I don’t want OP ships I want decent, somewhat historical and above all FUN ships And PEF doesn’t, or hardly does, tick those boxes

Well after 3 days of adapting, playing and sometimes suffering it, I can say that I’m still not satisfied with it. I’m having the very same problems I have on my Tirpitz or Bismarck. The ship is tanking like a boss and moves quite nicely, but you can’t hardly ever do good amounts of damage. The guns are little more than peashooters. I’m kind of worried that this would be how Imperial BCs could be balanced, and I don’t like that. At all. According to this chart I found in reddit, the PEF has less pen than Myogi, a tier 4 BC. I don’t think that 6mm should make that small difference but it just shows how difficult is to do reliable damage. I’m having a Seydlitz time with it, taking all damage and doing little in return At least I got it for free as a present and I got the gold when I finished the tasks. With those I bought Ashitaka and so far in 3 games I’m enjoying it; sure is soft as salmon sushi, but has actually usable guns, not like this mockery of a German BC.

It may be because I’m not a natural English speaker and I’m not as good as a English writer too. I accept my fault Ok I agree the ship is accurate. But if it hits and still doesn’t do damage, then what can I do? I’m trying to get those above belts hits you say, or focus cruisers more, but the air drag is preventing me to land consistent hits on the seconds and it’s difficult for me to do the other thing. “Then you are dumb” Yeah that may be it, that I’m not used to do that kind of things, but the facts stay; I’m talking about how the shells don’t perform well. I had this same problem with Queen Elisabeth, only that this one had overmatch for compensate. They have less penetration than 283 of Shanhorst and on top of that they don’t get the reload for lower than average caliber. Even the Dunkerque I got from a free box is far better for dealing consistent damage, despite the less sigma. Also so as matter of off topic, do we need a 2.0 sigma for Graff Spee? Just wondering. Would try what you say tho. Thanks for the adivce (hope I wrote this one clear )

As for WoWs fitting tool, the Arizona has 1.8 sigma instead of 1.5 on New Mexico And regarding about PEF, I agree with the following Sure it can be accurate, but still uses the German dispersion formula so 8 guns are less accurate than other nations 12. The worse thing is that even if they hit, the have such bad penetration that they almost ever do something. Today I needed 3 full salvos to a Spee less than 10km away to kill it: First was 5 hits all over penetrated, then 2 pens and 3 overpens and finally the 2 citadels that finished it off. The guns shouldn’t be such random and prone to shatter/not penetration/0 damage rolls. If possible, a reload and penetration buff. And if not, at least only the reload. It has less caliber than Gneis, KGV and Fuso, all of which have better or similar reload.

The speed difference is there ok, but the guns are arguably better on Massachusetts The range difference is a matter of kilometers, but because the accuracy, gun layout and hitting power is better on the US ship, the Massachusetts it’s easier to play with on high tier Plus, it has better secondary guns, better heal, better AA...it is superior in most ways

Yeah the arcs are quite different to standard German BB ones In this aspect, they are like the Bayern ones but they still lack that overmatching caliber The sad truth is what @Seiranko said The HE is bad, the AP is meh and the reload doesn’t make up for low barrel count like it does on ships like Gneisenau The end result? Bad performance at range (where given the “sniper” nature of the ship) and bad to ok-ish at close range but lacking the big punch of 12 gunners or the overmatch of 8 gunners I would be ok with a bad performance at long range because lack of modernized shells, but if the shells won’t even work at medium to close ranges, then the ship is little more than a oversized AA and secondary battery and I don’t want that as hard as I want consistency on main guns.

Will then go for an AA build, using the Hipper from Azur Lane with 10 points Thanks for suggestions At least I hope I can get her grind done again, because the doubloons will be used for Warspite Only her and Endem are needed for my historical significant ships collection Until they release more that is it

In the end, I got this ship as a family present, which is really nice. Sorry for rebooting this tread a bit but I need to así a couple of questions: 1st: Should I go for a secondary build with my Bismarck captain? 2: Should I use my Bayern captain with aims to go for the classic Fire Prevention + Concealment build? 3s: Should I build one from scratch, using any spare captain I have? In that case, which one is most optimal? I don’t really go with CVs but with rework coming I’m not confident in my AA As for the ship itself, the guns are the some, if not the worst thing I have ever seen, except for the Queen Elisabeth (which I still hate to this day) They are not as accurate, too few barrel count and low caliber Is specially bad the reload and turning speed for that low mm gun I really hope the reload is buffed some time in the future, or if not the reload, at least penetration or accuracy Lack of all of that is just no good, unless you want it to be completely garbage

Modernized Tosa is a perfect tier 8 slow BB, whereas the Amagi would go to the fast BB/BC tree A 28kts upgraded speed, Amagi TDS and maybe 7km base range for secondary guns; if you go for shipbuckey layout, it would still have less AA and the speed of the BC, so it creates a perfect link between Nagato and Izumo.

I don’t know about you guys but I feel the Tirpitz (and Bismarck for much of the same reasons) is kind of pointless right now A one trick ship, paying a lot for the gimmick torps It’s secondaries are not as good as they used too and compared to Massachusetts it just seems she pays too much Sure the MM is as bad as others, but I feel it lacks competitive elements vs others Right now the meta makes the German sisters virtually impossible to play their strengths whereas others cope better or even have good time The question here is why would you pick a Tirpitz/Bismarck over a superior secondary ship that on top of that has respectable main guns, good AA, better secondary power, better TDS and better heal? I don’t know if it is just me who think that German BBs are being reduced to punching bags, forever tanking but getting very little in return

Any idea about Eitel Friederich prize? I’m looking forward for it, even that camouflage Too bad the ship still has awful pen and reload for the caliber and barrel count tho Also, is there any free xp conversion offer coming? I’m not sure if I want to go loot boxes lottery or spend more and get Musashi

It may be one of a kind premium Maybe a tier 6 overmatching one like Mutsu to Fuso, West Virginia to New Mexico and so on

There you have it @1MajorKoenig

Isn’t it the Royal Sovereign from Royal Navy? Same here! Want pre refit Kaiser! Also the book I listed has some info on that 707 I will put it here for you later 707-X design 4x2 356mm 213 meters length 30,6 meters beam 80 000 SHP I assume is a 28-30kts ship but don’t have more data

As far as I know, the Russian BBs are the following (with some alterations/modifications/modernizations) Tier 3 Skortsov https://goo.gl/images/idsSkb Tier 4 Gangut class Tier 5 Is a Putilovski and Blohm Voss project I bet it is the707-X design with 4x2 356/14 inch guns https://www.amazon.es/Kaisers-Battlefleet-German-Capital-1871-1918/dp/1848322291 In this book appears Tier 6 Borodino/Izmail class BCs Tier 7 Black Sea 1917 project I think although very modified and modernized http://www.gwpda.org/naval/images/irn16in1917.jpg Tier 8 is weird The funnels are trunked and I think may be the missing link between Soviet Soyuz and the tier 7 The tier 8 premium is Project 21 Soviet Nelson Tier 9 is Soviet Soyuz Tier 10 I bet is Project 24, a Russian Yamato

Count me in for the lottery Good luck everyone!

Hello all Recently I received a full compendium/encyclopedia about ships ranging from the very first armored vessels to almost nowadays modern ones As I went through its pages, I found out some ships that might fit Ingame Here I propose some that may be interesting as premium ships for 4 navies: Imperial German, Royal Navy, United States Navy and Imperial Japanese Navy; please consider tell which ones do you prefer: -IJN Kawakaze: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawakaze-class_destroyer Is like a Wakatake but with 2x3 TT The ship is fast at 37 kts and it may fit well in a tier 4 spot, sharing tier with the contemporary Isokaze. -USN Ward: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ward_(DD-139) The famous Wickes that prevented the midget submarine to enter Pearl Harbor A tier 3 spot collector piece, without much fighting value but very historical significant -HMS Tipperary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tipperary_(1915) The little bug that faced Westfalen on Jutland I think that as a tier 4 gunboat would be quite decent and maybe even fun -S113 Or V116 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_torpedo_boat_Premuda A kindergarten Gaede with 4 150mm guns and 4 600mm TT on a 37 kts speed ship Clearly a major antecesor to the 150mm gun armed destroyers of WW2 The RoF would be probably awful but with patience and good captain at her helm, it could be quite good for tier 4 What do you think? Shall we add more?