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Yeah I saw it too. Its funny because I was working in a Panzershiffe tree proposal and then this appeared out of nowhere. Same as when I and some friends were making Imperial German BCs and Eitel Friederich showed up. 2 things I dont like: -Tier 9 or 10 will make it coal or steel aka more grind. Hoped for more mid tier like Nelson -It will have troubles facing the russian botes and probably american Alaska because reasons like barrel count and such. Hope to see it end well and not a Eitel Friederich fail. If they added proper BC class for Hood, Kongo, Eitel.....it could work.

Remember the Fiji tho....can’t wait for Belfast 1943 without radar and HE but with Torps and tier 10 heal

Maybe an unique module with the likes of Katori and Yubari...let’s say a 50% range increase 100% HP for secondaries and a +50% accuracy for secondary guns....and if no enough, so something about the main battery too, it misses way too much for 4 guns. If the buffs go well, we can then have things like Majestic, Shwelsig Holstein (however it may be spelled), Borodino and even panEuro predreads like Kilkis for Greece, Monarch for Austria Hungary and possibly the coast defense ships of Scandinavia.

5 Atago: Because using her as a sneaky, fire starter ninja even on tier X is fun. Other than that, maybe because she was my first premium and I have a strong bias to her. 4: Graff Spee: If you play your cards right and the RNG doesn’t troll you much, is a pretty decent ship for playing the “Big Cruisers” style, hunting other CAs or CLs, but with less efficiency than some of the high tier examples and less “tools” for me to use. When I buy the likes of Alaska or upcoming Yoshino, will probably leaver her but as of now, I like her quite a lot 3: Bayern, Shanhorst and Tirpitz: I love my secondary and brawlers BBs a lot, and this 3 are usually my choices for playing battleships in their respective tiers. The Bayern helps me feel the overmatch (until I finally decide to buy Warspite ), the Sniny Horse helps me hunt cruisers and the Tirpitz.....well this one is different. I want to still play her as I used to, but is very difficult to do it. Still, if the reds allow it, the Lonely Queen in the North is a pleasure to play . 2: Prinz Eugen: I absolutely enjoy how much punishment this pudding can endure. Add decent guns, torpedos, hydro and that heal she received, and you find a great escort ship, capable of enduring tier X MM without much trouble and having the capability of rushing BBs to murder them with her metal fishes. 1: Furutaka: Because she is my girl and waifu.......yeah it’s true! But most of all because I have being playing her through all her story, from the days of the single turrets that took almost as long as a battleship to reload and rotate, to the recent buff to match Zao special dispersion. The 203mm Big Guns are not to be ignored and I sure love how I and her wreck everything that dares to oppose us....if we don’t screw it up of course Thats the official list, because my clan is quite wheraboo and weebo and if I have to keep my rank it has to be like this.........can always add the allied warships in a spoiler tho

I know but I was talking about the original BCs from Jutland era. The Vanguard and Hood should be the model for the late tiers, taking the Vanguard pattern of better base rudder shift and increasing the overall survival capacity because the artillery is no longer as potent and impressive as before. If they do Vanguard like ships on high tier, it could be quite nice to have them.

Im strongly convinced that Renown should be tier 6 as rebuilt, as it is a derivative of the R class which are itself a derivative of the Queens. The Hood (class) being the follow on of them, is rightfully placed one tier higher (7) and after we can start discussing paper ships. About the gameplay, they would be like oversized CAs, until we get a proper UK CA tree of course. I have to admit that I don’t own Hood or even Vanguard, but maybe a good alternative way of making a BC tree, either for German and/or British, could be by making ships like those 2, following the traditions of being good gunned and speedy squishy mega CAs (Royal Navy) and poor armed, in caliber at least, but speedy and tanky ships (German Navy).

My little thoughts: Tier 3 HMS Indefatigable tech tree Tier 3 HMS Invincible as premium Royal Navy (similar way as Bellerophon-Dreadnought, where the “famous” and “father” of the type is premium). Tier 3 HMAS Australia or HMNZS New Zealand for the Commonwealth tree (I’m not sure about how correct is HMNZS tho) Tier 4 Lion tech tree Royal Navy Tier 4 Queen Mary/Princess Royal premium Royal Navy If we have IJN Ishizuchi and IJN Myogi which are Kongo prototypes, the “real” Kongo basis should be one tier lower too Tier 5 Tiger Is basically HMS Kongo as far as I know. A proper modernization should do well to this ship. Tier 6 HMS Renown main tree Tier 6 HMS Repulse premium The most advanced and modernized of the 2 is the main tree, similar to QE and Warspite. It may need a buff to reload (26-27) but I feel the good AA and speed (even torpedos if they add them) could be enough. Tier 7 Admiral class (Hood sisters) Tier 8 to 10 Papers I assume G3 should be there, either as a premium or main tree.

The Conqueror dilema: -Raise of citadel: YAAAY -Buffs 419 guns and heal: WHYYYY I really don’t understand this, I find no reason whatsoever. On one hand im happy that they add some skill to the usual potato way of playing (full side, HE camping gameplay) but on the other....why? Why you buff a ship that is so damm unbalanced to play against even stronger? Oh I think I know.....WG’s game, WG do as it pleases despite the concerns and worries of its players. As as a matter of fact, what if they removed the 419s, both from Lion and Monqueror? As far as I know, the guns never went into prototype right? Why don’t they remove it and retain only the 406s planned for Lion. Just a thought.

If only secondary builds were more cheap (at least 8 points for AFT and Manual Secondaries and 4 points if you pick IFHE) and the secondaries were more useful and reliable, maybe it could be justified to go secondary build ships. German BBs should get a decent boost to their playability and ships like Bismarck and Tirpitz would receive a much needed help. Then, after the overall improvement of how secondaries work, we could look from ship to ship and see where to improve.

Speaking of the collab....any idea of its launch date? And how long do we have to make it? I really hope I have time for doing it, maybe the same time as the Haifuri one?

Nah I will try get the most I can without me or my wallet dying and then wait for my Queen in the North .....maybe some day she will be here too, till then I can wait.....I hope she doesn’t take too long tho, or I may go mad in the process

My wallet is hard right now....except that there is still no room for her My dear Tirpitz, alone you are again

It was made by my fellow clan member @manolojones I’m going to ask him what software he used. Also, if you want to see the stats, feel free to check them here, although you may need google translate: http://foros.aceroyfuego.com/topic/772-el-laboratorio-de-frank-edición-especial-frank-der-tann/

I believe I have one ready for that: A hull fresh out of the yard. B hull with upgrades to AA to deal with CVs Pretty neat uh ? I’m sure she is better than Azuma Regarding Azuma, I’m hoping for a buff or a couple of them. Then I might consider buying her. Right now it’s nit worth it, specially with Alaska around at the same price.

That’s the one that I sent to my father after he needed the 10 point Hipper from AzurLane because he loves the Hipster ship....now she is his waifu

And I’m here still triggered because Kirishima from arpeggio doesn’t have her voice. Only the bear does

Not my picture but I think you all will get the point. Is that ok for a Super Cruiser when the other ships of the kind has more belt armor and better located citadel? I believe one right at the waterline should be enough because it still can and should get punished if showing side but it rewards, somewhat at least, angling. Which is another problem. Same problem as Conqueror, the ship is built as a damage dealer, but there are more efficient ships for that. I find that ships which are purely damage dealers are a problem, because you can’t play for the team and if the team fails, you end up alone, with results everyone should expect. By contrast, both Alaska and Kroshtand can help by using radar and acting as support; Azuma? Not so much. Azuma is the big camper cruiser that everyone complains about. Edit: Found this image from NA forums, although it is from SteffSap blog: See that part where it says that should be safe from major shells from 20 to 30 km? Well, Ingame it acts like that because the ship needs to stay at max range. But if the planets align and the shells hit, the ship will blow up. Also, the armor should be very effective vs cruiser guns right? After all it is a sort of cruiser killer design right? Nope. Because the 25mm makes her a piñata for IFHE CLs (IJN Duck DDs too) and all kinds of CAs.

That’s a good point. Why of all the super CAs has the Azuma least HP and also worst armor? Is only a 400m difference with Alaska so stealth is not that big advantage. Sure the American can and should push closer due to her play style, radar, 27mm plating and such. But the Azuma has an awful citadel placement. Why not one at the waterline or a bit above it? Why a super cruiser has worse armor schemes than even CLs (yeah I’m talking about Worcester. It’s tier X but has far better armor plating and citadel location).

I was willing to sacrifice my tankiness if that meant that I could get better, compared to other Big Gun Cruisers, accuracy. Tankiness for accuracy is a good trade for some people. But if she does not have any of those, as now, what does she offer compared to Alaska or Kroshtand?

I always wanted the B65 Ingame and I was really hyped for Azuma. Sadly, I think she is not worth my money/free xp/sense of humor/mental health. What I wanted was a more accurate version of the previous super cruisers, exchanging gun accuracy for some tankiness. But I feel it doesn’t get any of that. I simply cannot believe they just made it a camper ship that needs to stay away from trouble or otherwise will be gone in 2 well placed salvos. It has less armor than some CAs of her tier, even Ibuki has more (in some places but you get the point). Harugumos and Wooster players are going to love her. Battleships are going to squish her. Why it does have so little armor and HP compared to the Kroshtand or lacks the flexibility of Alaska? Why do we have to accept the fact that this again is an IJN turd living up to the meme? Seems like Tsushima ghost still is strong. It’s not GraffZep debacle, but the ship has all the faults of the classic IJN CAs and Great Cruisers but without their advantages. No concealment, not spectacular guns, no torpedos. What does it have to say it’s worth it? In what aspects is she unique? I believe there aren’t. Hope Yoshino is better. Also, as an off topic, could the Yoshino get the proposed 3x2 14inch/356mm gun option? It would be nice to be able to choose between the 2, even if one is not as good as the other.

The leader, Apxolius, acted that way and I’m afraid I don’t know the reasons. To be entirely true, I was even asked by a friend why and frankly I had, and still don’t, no idea, as they, leader and team, are from NKK1 whereas I and @manolojones are from the 2; I don’t know about Manolo but I for once don’t know even know why they resigned. Hope you understand this and I offer my apologies, even if they are not much worth any more. If we really did that, I again offer my apologies and hope you can accept them. But I’m not asking for retribution, if you go to the acero y fuego post I clearly said that I wanted to start this with the effort to retrieve the content and I invited any one to support it, sink it or gladly pass without reacting. I don’t intend to talk for the community, I’m not the ambassador or the delegate. I’m just a worried guy that hoped to save what was left of the community that once was. And I didn’t call you a troll but, just in case, sorry for that.

I don’t see how are we, the NKKs, more responsible than others just because we don’t want to do events. What is the problem with that? Why WG doesn’t help our community? Is it because NKK/2/3 doesn’t join that we don’t get the love from WG? Really? Want to know why we don’t join? Ok: Our leader recognized that we are not exactly a “competitive type” of clan and we are kind of “lazy” so we don’t participate on events, leagues or such. Why is that a problem? Why are we responsible for the no support to Spanish community? According to the content number that is not entirely true but I guess it’s the way you say it......or is it? As one of my childhood heroes said: Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Why then are I, @manolojones, the NKK clans or anyone more responsible than others to the Spanish community downfall?? Why if we did as we wanted, using our freedom of choice, are the responsible for the Spanish community closure? It’s beyond my reasoning to think that people like you think that. “You don’t participaye and you don’t do as I do, therefore you don’t contribute to the community and you are wrong” That is quite a load of.....you know the word. Also, I didn’t open this thread to bring it back, as it may be (as of now) impossible. I opened it with the aim of recuperating all our content. Was it all valuable? Some was, some was not, but why is it wrong to ask for something we all worked on?

The apologies are accepted and as such we thank you. Hope this may also reconsider opening it again some time in the future. Thanks for al, support @CptBarney @antean @Cambera_1 and people who read this. You are welcome on our unofficial web.

Luckily, it seems that NA still enjoys some degree of support and even then I’m not even sure is that good. What this total closure may mean is that we will have to stick together and endure. And don’t say so fast there will not be any more panAmerica premiums or even Spanish ones; the likes of Canarias, Mendez Núñez or so are so damm good for making a quick dollar (which is even sort of a mockery itself, as the premium shop is “translated” ) We have made our not oficial web and we are open to everybody. It seems here, on the official forum, we are simply “sources of possible income” who only deserve respect as long as we pay or the resources devoted to us “are woth spending”. Do I need to say more? And before someone might say that “you earned this yourselves because of you didn’t fulfill the expectations and resources they gave you” please consider the fact that we rarely got anything from our region staff: no contests, info badly written or directly copy pasted from Google, almost no presence whatsoever and what is more, NOT A SINGLE WARNING, until it was impossible to change back.

That is in fact from WoWarplanes. Still, I really hope this doesn’t goes for WoWs too, it would give a terrible impression to a an already torn community. Let’s hope for the best and get an answer to our concerns soon.