mikelight1805

I think the definition of premium may be the factor here. If Takao is a neon Atago, with a credit and XP multiplier then yes, WG are giving away for free a premium ship. If they are giving away neon blue ship that looks like an Atago with standard T8 repair costs and xp gains then they are not giving away a premium for free. The Atago isn't devalued at all. I suppose it depends why you bought an Atago in the first place. If you bought it purely because of how it looks, then yes, its devalued now someone else gets it for free. If you bought it to print credits and train IJN captains, its no less valuable now than it ever was

whats my point on the morality? or the mission requirements?

I am not a fan of WGs customer service by any means, nor am i a WG fan boy. I play the games i like, when i like. I also pay for the things i like. that might be a month of premium, if there is something decent to grind for, it may be a premium vehicle if i like that vehicle. I vote with my wallet. WG will listen if they dont make money. Your example of the Albert is absolutely correct. much whine, but it still sells!

Right and wrong are a personal moral stand point, and i am not here for an argument. I don't see it as right, i don't see it as wrong, i see it as marketing exercise in baiting more money out of premium time and doubloon sales I am just glad i don't have to grind 100000 base XP

At least you aren't loudly threatening to delete your account and never give them money ever again like some others. There always seems to be that sort here that says it but always continues playing and paying.

I may have misunderstood something i read a while back, but i am sure that each server region is able to independently decide the parameters of their events? EU can do what they want, NA can do what they want SEA can do as they please. I don't think WG has never stated it has a policy on server uniformity? i am happy to be corrected on this of course!

I have read a lot of people on this and other similar threads suggesting WG are forcing people into high tier games for the Takao. Isn't it more of a case of encouragement rather than forcefulness? WG haven't made me play my Roon, they have encouraged it by offering a reward.

Here's an idea. WG start offering a Takao permanent camo for the Atago! Im sure they would sell well at the WG bargain price of 3000 doubloons, just like the Prinz Eugen! Sarcasm mode disabled....

They have no additional benefits at all compared to the standard ship. But they are very shiny!

Here's an idea. WG start offering a Takao permanent camo for the Atago! Im sure they would sell well at the WG bargain price of 3000 doubloons, just like the Prinz Eugen! Sarcasm mode disabled....

I'm sure this will be unpopular, but here goes......... The Takao is a reward ship for completing a mission. it is no different to the FV4202 mission grind when the Centurion AX hit World of Tanks. If you had a FV4202, you could do a grind mission and get the FV4202 free, if you didn't have it, or couldn't be bothered to grind, you paid money for it. It has been the same for the mission marathon tanks too. you grind, or you pay to skip missions. Wargaming are not a generous company when it comes to freebies i'm afraid. No one is entitled to a Takao, no matter how much they protest that they have spent hundreds of £ or $ on the game. The ship is bait to get you to spend money, as WG are a business not a charity. You can either buy an Atago, or grind a Takao. Regarding the "I paid for "X" ship, now you are giving it away for free". Look at the proceeding example of USS Texas. She was given away for free during the refer a friend campaign. The veterans of this game paid good money for that ship, only for a newbie to get it for free a few months later. The is no exclusivity clause when you pay for a ship in this game. I pre-ordered a USS Sims. They stated it would be sold again in the future. Bought a Tirpitz but you didn't expect Bismark in the line? Bought a Belfast? there's HMS Edinburgh for free you know Prinz Eugen? Hipper. Texas? New York Pay vs Grind, its the WG way. how else can Serb fund his space program?

I would recommend giving the RN CLs a try even without the HE. Its not too hard an adjustment to make. Like any CL, don't give a broadside, and aim for BB superstructure, which you should be doing with HE anyway. If you play a CL with care and attention, they are perfectly playable. The British AP is great at racking up damage on BBs superstructure. i find it much more satisfying watching that consistent damage rack up than just hoping for fires.

To be honest, i missed HE on the 1st 5 RN CLs, but the guns really seem to work on the Leander. I have had a massive increase in damage output since moving up to the Leander. The horrible grind through the Emerald was totally worth it. I am also looking forward to the Fiji. If you want to spam HE with a White Ensign, there is always the Belfast!

Will the mission requirements be displayed in port to track our progress? I have a few of the ARP ships from previous missions, but i didn't actively grind them, i just accumulated them by playing the game. This time around i will be paying a bit more attention!

Yes, every day, several times a day. Yes & Yes. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that i am actually quite mad, and actually care about supporting this game.

I have liked the German line so far. I quite liked the Hipper actually, despite its bad press, but had to sell it to get the Roon when it was 15% off recently. I had every intention of keeping it, but when Prinz Eugen came on sale, the history tempted me, and i needed the gold too. To be honest, i was hopping the RN cruisers were going to be like the Germans, with decent gun arcs and shell velocity. Back to the Germans though, i haven't had too many problems with the line. The Roon was a bit of a struggle to start with, as I preferred being bow on angling in the Hipper and Yorck, With the range mod i can hit out to 20km, so i don't feel so exposed displaying a broadside at that kind of range. I found all of the ships so far quite workable, but i have DE captains to offset the terrible HE with all these BBs about. I have found all the ships so far quite unremarkable. But i don't see that as a bad thing. They seem to do most things well enough. I have a New Orleans, and a Prinz Eugen, and i find the NO a struggle at the moment. I would much rather be in a German CA than a US one!

What ships are you playing? I find with my German CAs it is worth focusing on other CAs first, as the AP performance is the best thing about them. I stay at range, undetected until there is an enemy cruiser. i then keep an eye out on what the rest of the team is doing, so i don't get drawn out on my own, don't be afraid to disengage if you feel under threat. I am not playing the American cruisers at the moment, as i see no point in them. I always favoured DD hunting and AA escort in them. But that was pre Russian DDs and CV nerf. Now there are too many DDs about to be able to go 1 on 1 with. (poor rate of fire doesn't help on US 8"). With few high tier CVs, there is no point in the AA role either, as most BBs have a decent enough AA rating to cope on their own if they stick together. I find my priority now is to stay alive as long as possible and deal damage to whatever targets present themselves. I dont go looking for targets any more, i just focus on the pure damage output.

Thanks for a detailed description of the upcoming changes. Much appreciated!

At tier 3 you cant really beat a St Louis for the fun factor, I would suggest not focusing too heavily on BBs at this point if you want to have fun. There are too many of them out there at the moment. Most are unreliable players to say the least. If you want fast BBs you are going to have to be patient. US BBs don't hit 30knots until tier 9. German BBs are 30knots at tier 7. The Kongo is 30 knots at tier 5 in the IJN line. If you want accuracy, you wont find it in BBs at lower tiers. It all depends on what you want out of the game really. If you want a particular BB higher up the tree, it will be a hard grind. I'm grinding the Bismarck and its tough going. I stopped at the New York in the US line, because i wasn't enjoying that line. if you just want to have fun with this game, and sail around shooting stuff, maybe a cruiser would suit you more, or maybe the Russian DDs? When i struggle with the grind, i shift down to the Murmansk and sail around in a blaze of HE spam and torpedoes to cheer myself up. Without spreading yourself too thin with resources, maybe try a few different lines so you can find something you enjoy.

I don't think i will be spending any more credits on my NO to be honest. Unless it gets a RoF buff, or a bit more range and some usable armour, she isn't getting many trips out to be honest. I used to be able to go out and hunt DDs quite effectively in her, but now, not so much. Prinz Eugen is my go to tier 8 CA at the moment, cant see that changing unless the NO gets some love from WG. (Rudder shift doesn't count!)

I share the convictions above. In theory the mode is good. in practice, i don't feel it is working as intended in the higher tier. The only time i have enjoyed the mode was in a tier 5 match. Generally you are fighting at a closer range anyway, so i feel it fits better, If there was an option to disable the mode, like in WOT, i think i would!

The Cruiser population is low. i think that is the case in most games in the middle to higher tiers. BBs seem to make up the bulk of the fire power in the team list. Most of my tier 6 to 9 games see an average of 5 BBs per team. Without CVs to dissuade camping and bow on reversing, i believe that some players are switching from CAs to DDs or to BBs to feel competitive. CAs are the best at dealing with other CAs. They don't do well when out numbered by DDs and BBs. I'm sure there will be some relief when the RN CLs are launched. But i think the root of the problem is a lack of skilled CVs in the higher tiers. There are 2 solution to this as far as i can tell. 1. Limit the number of BBs per team in the matchmaker 2. Buff CVs Neither of these are a viable option at the moment. I am sure WG are going to carry on releasing new ships, and hope the game balance sorts itself out eventually.

The first step towards failure is trying! I Tried. I failed. I'm going to bed. Good luck with the game Zapata82.

Can we clear this up right now please? because i am a patient man, and i don't want that to change. Basically OP we are saying that it is highly unlikely that the ship that you saw was disappearing for no reason. there are some game mechanics involved that you do not fully understand. that's fine, they can be learned if you want to make the most of this game. hopefully now though, you do have some kind of understanding of the spotting and detection mechanics. You make a point about the game not being realistic. It has never claimed to be. it never will be realistic. To be honest, don't shoot AP at a DD. regardless of what is realistic and what is not, in this game AP will do minimal damage to DDs due to over pen. So, please take this lesson away from here, always shoot HE at DDs! The guy shooting at an Aoba might have been an Alpha or Beta tester and knew how to lead a shot. If you watch ships maneuvering in the game, the maneuver slowly, they cannot instantly change direction or speed. so, given time and experience most players can successfully predict where a ship will be when they shoot. DDs have rapid firing guns and its usually quite easy to adjust your fire to be effective at most ranges. Maybe the guy was just a good player, with an good understanding of the game exploiting the mechanics to his advantage. Just the other day i was killed by 3 ninja tier 10 DDs invisible firing HE at me. Whichever way i maneuvered there was at least 1 that had clear shots at me. i was defending a cap, it was my choice to put my ship there. it sucked the team abandoned me to chase the CV, but that's a MMO game.

Someone was spotting you. it may have even been the DD. every ship has a concealment rating, and every ship has an acquisition range. these 2 things aren't the same. concealment is a mechanic in the game that is the most dynamic in its rating. it is never constant, in the sense that firing, being on fire, being in a smoke screen constantly modify it. that is why ships "disappear" in plain sight. if that ship you cant see fires his gun, his concealment goes down. if he ceases fire, he may well just disappear, because his concealment is greater than your acquisition range. It may not be logical to you. but those are the rules of the game. there will be times when you are seen, but cannot see. i suggest you read up on the game mechanics. if you don't like them, find another game. this game has never claimed to be realistic. i have never seen a ship or a tank in real life with a little green bar above it. The game is compressed and modified to be able to be played by people who may not be that interested in naval warfare or history. our games are fought over 20 mins in a small space. real battles were fought over many miles over many hours. the dynamic of this game is to have intense fighting for a short time. Rarely does that happen in real life. World of tanks isn't realistic, Call of duty isn't realistic. Railroad Tycoon isn't realistic.