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found her to be a nightmare as well and its my worst tier 8 cv win rate ship with 54% to me the biggest problem is as others have said its a ship primarily to attack bbs with its good torps the rocket fighters are meh at best and the ap bombs when they hit are nice but again that's another rng based issue

well it gives time to go for a quick piss I suppose or even to go fridge for a beer before I start and fly my planes to their deaths

the old cv counter play was mostly down to your own cv player having a brain and also actually giving any kind of support to the team personally I wouldn't ever go a flank when 2 cvs are on enemy team as your asking for to be targeted and spanked for making yourself a easy target wg do very rarely listen to the player base but that's usually when a massive majority of the forum peeps start complaining and lets be honest here its mostly just dd players who whine about cvs now the epic loss does make a difference because your chances of being attacked get higher for every ship on your side that's dead and to top that off for every player on your side that's sunk means less aa and allowing the enemy cvs to fly where they want to be honest nearly ever class has a hard time if they are sailing away from the team and get spotted by any cv and just because your a dd does not mean you should be invisible or immune to cv players I have no idea how wg can balance the the cvs at the moment but they sure as hell aint gonna make a class immune to them or remove cvs when they have just stuck em back into the store

agree that your out of position and asking for a cv to hunt you in first pic your team was also nearly all dead within 9 mins of the game and it was by the looks a epic loss how much is that due to your play I cant tell but you cant sit there and blame cvs for the end of the world when enemy dds where having great fun against your team especially when your 9 mins in and a dd has 3 kills I personally agree its time something was done about the damage to dds being high but if they nerf the damage to dds they gotta give some love back to the torps to make up for the loss in dbs and rocket plane damage and if that happens it will be bbs crying again this rework is still getting tweeks now and then so maybe wg will relook at some of the damage done to some classes but hey its wg so I doubt it

you can still cv snipe at times I have had my Lexington cv sniped by a tier 10 jap cv it is hard to do and requires your team to run away but it is possible

they may have the most highest hp pool but strike planes are so slow they spend longer in the aa so take more damage also when using dbs you click drop then have to sit and watch for ages while the bombs drop onto target before you get control back of the planes and can actually start and evade the flak again the torp bombers are excellent though

Tbh it was best in closed beta Now the new rework is about as unbalanced as it was before the rework happened Personally I prefer the new rework but I'm a sucker for faster more easy to play gameplay Voted for more fun in no cv games as it normally is for me

maybe but a dd sailing off alone and trying to hunt cvs or just stealth torp without wanting to spot or cap and useless most of the game as well cvs who only focus dds and leave all other classes alone for most of the game and get great xp but watch their team get capped out are useless as well all classes can have good and bad players and trying to "balance" the game to make em all equal will fail

before cv rework: dds, bbs and cruisers complained about being 1 shot in first few mins of the game and yea I got splatted a few times as well dds complained about perma spot when a cv would park a set of fighters over them and carry on getting silly damage against other targets while the dds where in craps ville dds could risk going caps as the cv could park a set of planes over all the caps and you couldn't counter that unless your cv was going to help after rework: dds complain about the spotting and the enemy cv being able to keep coming back time after time attacking them and the dd doing very little the cvs cry about aa being overpowered the bbs laugh at how they now don't get 1 shot the cruisers finally shoot planes down non cv players cry about the cv has unlimited reserves while the cv crys about how long it takes for his squadrons take to refill Christ who would work for wg and take part in any of the cv rebalance because it sounds like its impossible I agree the cvs are not balanced yet but you can either learn to accept that and try and change your play style or leave dds alone for a while but I must admit when I play cv a dd that uses his smoke for concealment and keeps his aa off and dosent stray too far from his team is a god damn nightmare to deal with while the dds that sail off into sunset with aa blasting away and never dropping smoke once a cv goes for them is easy food and tbh you deserve it same as a bb sailing alone and a dd torping the hell out of em

been nerfed to oblivion prepare your attack well in advance and use mouse to move aim once your going in for the kill or just do what most of us do and that's to use em to fast scout hit the odd easy target and leave the suckers on the ship because the dbs and tbs are better

gone in the update now due to hit and should never have been in the reworked cv gameplay as for op idea its just plain bad but its better than some of the ideas floating around

agree as well

you got that right pal

As above angle to enemy as the bow ain't as good as you want it to be and if need be It has great late game capabilities where you can focus low health bbs and cruisers down as the guns though can be rng pains will usually do well at distance

Christ wg cant implement cvs without stuffing it up so the idea of adding a completely new class that will be pure stealth/high damage capability is gonna make wg balance hamster drop dead ps subs are boats and not ships so cant be added or they would have to change name to world of floating and sinking things

personally I believe the change is due to more anti dd ships and meta that has been added to the game radar is now standard in any tier 8 upwards game and the introduction of a cv rework that has made dds survivability harder (especially if you don't know how to counter a cv coming for you) the amount of cruisers now in each game has risen and the cruisers nearly always bring sonar and usually radar if they can more maps changes to prevent choke points reduces the chance of dds with long range torps spamming areas and have success with it I don't think wg will do anything with rpf due to fact its been in game a while and wg seem to leave skills ect alone as they are focused more on adding more silver and premium ships

problem is that most classes don't give a monkeys if they are located except for dds who need stealth more than anything how many other captain skills actually gimp a whole class on enemy team and I cant think of any except for the manual aa which really don't count cos cvs are hardly ever in a game but dds from the start will know rpf is being used and will be very worried about capping or trying to stealth torp around islands ect when a ship on enemy team have a damn good idea which cap they are at or which island group they are hiding in

personally I use it sometimes on bbs instead of concealment but I do usually push with bbs so it helps to be aware of the dds that stay hidden I use it on a lot of my dds maybe on cruisers if I have it for dd hunting cvs yes for now I do (use it because its crazy op and totally agree it needs removing for cvs) but I feel its a major tool for clan wars as it always allows you to communicate where ships generally are should it be removed completely and replaced then god damn yes indeed I do as I feel the dds have it even harder now with the cv rework and the god awful radar (radar is epic when you got it)

conq just "feels" better due to the extra guns but in reality is about the same what does help is the great heal and epic concealment that allow you to get closer and unleash the fire power at targets that are closer so your going to hit more though the fire chance is crazy funny when your splatting ships with HE don't forget the AP can be devastating due to people think conq fire HE only and will show their broadside its certainly worth the grind and though I didn't like the lion much the conq Is probably the most fun British ship after the minotaur

more than likely you are correct but with the aa meta as it is the chance of more than 2 runs on any target is rare and with the midway doing approx 2500 per torp and your lucky to get over 10k per squadron and the tiny tims will do nearly that with 1 pass on a bb or cruiser if you hit the upper deck/superstructure I am always amazed by the dd player though who wont smoke has aa on all the time and crys because he gets splatted once spotted and blames the cv players rather than himself ffs come on dd players if your gonna smoke once spotted by a enemy dd or cruiser why wont you smoke once spotted by a cv even knowing the cv will probably do more damage cos your gonna run in a straight line as usual as many have said multiple times you go on your own and cv spots you then be prepared for the love exact same as a bb going alone and a dd spotting him and torping him to death yesterday in my conq I ate 3 torps for 53k damage from a unspotted dd that nobody knew was there and did I cry? nope because its something I know can happen and was my own fault for not being prepared for a surprise torp attack maybe it is time for wg to remove the cvs because they are so little used now and refund free xp to everyone and refund the premiums because lets be honest here wg have no chance of balancing the cvs

Nerf American dbs and you may as well remove the American line because the torps are a joke and the rockets are useless Dd players where fed up getting hit hard by the rockets and got them nerfed now they want the dbs nerfed but cvs at the moment unless your a super unicum are mediocre at best for most players Will give the rework one plus point and that's compared to pre rework cvs now are very rare in my view in the high tier games

yes has happened to me and I aint talking about just short or a small miss its been shells hitting half way between my ship and enemy and the enemy was 18k away I also seen it happen to others as well

thank you and a +1 for you couple of tips I didn't know that hopefully will help me make the cv haters cry

and players sit still do they while a cv just farms them because hey its useless doing anything how about mm cv is coming for me so i will set my aa on the side hes heading for and maybe just maybe i will actually turn so it makes whatever the cv is dropping harder to hit and yea lets not forget the dd smoke they can use your obviously a cv hater and fair enough if that's how you feel but everybody is telling you different to what you "claim" and on that note this just makes you either ignorant or stupid

mmm on that presumption then how about these examples for where is the pvp stealth dd torping without ever getting spotted bbs firing from out of the range of enemy he engages so he can splat you at will cruisers hiding behind islands and firing upon targets that cannot engage back all classes have the ability to remove themselves from taking any kind of return fire and though the cv does in a way remove himself from any return fire his management of planes is now more critical than ever before because planes are seriously limited in number and you can after 5 mins of play be left with nothing if you do not use them wisely