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The enemy ship shows an "x"-symbol on it while there is no point to send the ping. I think the first time you send your ping activates ping-immunity for ca next 40 (?) seconds and after that is a 20 second window where pings are accepted. For BBs everything is the same but the immunity period is like 10 seconds long. Main suggestion is not to play in a style where you send all torps all at once out and then they all miss. But you send out 1 guided torp, then you wait 1 - second and then next one until to the 6th (?). andsometimes yousend out only 2 and then you ping 3 times and then again 2 and then ping 3 times and then 2 again. In that case you don't loose all torps but some if enemy becomes immune from ping or erases the ping mark. There is no big obstacle with CVs immunity period. It is not so long time range. And other related suggestions are: 1) if you are 3km far from CV then use only meaty unguided torps of cause 2) if 3-5km from a DD then still use guided torps and ram if the torps fail. Main teaching that i give to the enemy team are: 3) Subs should be most of the time above water (to spot and save oxigen) 4) Subs are DDs and should scout. Both are mentality building suggestions which improves the result. While guided torps are almost close to the marked enemy it is wise to ping new spots of the enemy ship so he cannot dodge so easily if those points changes by constant ping. Some suggest that too much ping shows where you are but once torps are arriving to the destination it is better to keep pinging.

Hi, i love CVs but even more i love Subs. I don't like gambling ship types (BBs, Cruisers) because they are so primitive and depend heavily on others/luck. In my opinion all torpedo bombers should drop odd number of torps. Like 3, 5, 7. I would add a 3rd torpedo to those who have 2 now. What do you think of it? And who have 6 you may remove one.

so we agree partially. But we have a different understanding of the term Bot. Wows Bots/RoBots are smarterthan players and you have all seen that in the game. If WG let them perform at 100% capacibility they would outperfrom any player. But WG keeps them in the average level. There is just a control/button that keeps them in the average player level. You may say that Bots are temporarily drunk but they are and always have been better than players. The same applies to chess (ro)bots. Therefore it is an honor if you are called a Bot. You and many provide many time the proof that most players and ships are harmless. That is nice to here. I think almost the same and also for the subs and Cvs.

I responded to you there that no matter what was meant by the Average 150 it will still make a wrong statement. You can go there and snwer the counter-questions and arguments that are waiting you there to answer. There is no need to think what happened there. Go and answer there if you have soemthing to answer. But the answering round is over and the winner of the debate was that party who answered everything and the looser was the one who failed to answer. This is how things are in life. Next time follow the suggestions that i gave to your hive somewhere earlier. One suggestion was that you must answer adequately to all counter-arguments and in the right order. That is an elementary suggestion and your hive failed even in that. Moderators are amazed, i am amazed, WG is probably amazed too about such argumentation skills. And the second main suggestion has been: try to stay in the topic as i do. Even i nthis thread you haven't added anything considerable to the topic but i have and i can prove that to every topic. Why is it so difficult to just add some sentences about subs. Amazing.

With me plenty of people debated. And you seem to practice now your skills. You are not convincing with your masochism opinion. And if you feel pain in debates or in entertainment at all then why don't you do something to lower your sufferings. You said that you have seen only 2 types of statements from me but again can you give some evidence. I know your hives behaviours well and i can make a listing because i have so much experience with propaganda sociums and your hive too. We can make a thread where i list your hives behaviours, it will be like a spec of your hive members/elements. For example if we look into your todays lost debate then there were many other methods than your 2. I don't say there "i think" but you do. You say there that you think that average 150 means 0-300 and many other things. And 10 posts ago i didn't won, but i was in the topic. But you were not in topic and never won. Do you have at least one opinion i nthis life that differs from your hives typical attitudes and opinions? Your league cannot stay in topic as i could 10 posts ago and for me it amazes. Also moderators have been suprised in my opinion about your offtopical spam. My suggestion is that fine, spam and do brainwashed hating and other propaganda, but try to be i nthe topic from time to time. It is not so difficult.

You didn't provide any reasonable reply why you are offtopic. I was totally in topic and talked about Subs jsut 10 posts above and thisi di in all thread and win both debates and am in topics. You can go check 10 posts ago and there are no intopical text from you and this is in most threads. And your other assumptions have no proof, you cant point like "go 9 posts above and look". In another thread i gave you a link which pointed where you clearly lost debate again and i said that go prove the opposite but you refused. Your opinions aneed more pointers, better evidence. You can just deny everything that the opponent says or just add primitively nonproven clauses like "i have never won naything". I even enumerate loosers as i said- your statements that i "have never ever anything" are just not believable. Try to find better methods, find some proof, and at the same time stay i nthe topic like a do as a fact. I am amazed why is it so difficult for your hive.

You remember because you lost today one. Yesterday also 1 or 2 as i remember. I don't remember because i don't loose. But it is totally fine to loose. Humans are not so good as (ro)Bots and they make mistakes. But of cause everyone wants to become bots one day and be good. I suggest that let's practice and i teach you all to be effective.

Wrong in what? He didn't prove anything. I give to all people who ocme to cry to me after battles an order/serial number. He was probably number 72. All hundreds lost arguments to me who came to complain to me, also number 72. He didn't prove anything here or weeks ago. If he practice more then he may one day prove something but today he is blind like you and your hive. I suggest to find a guru, and get rid of the hive.

you don't remove any fun from me, WG, Sub/Cv lovers, and other people. Play whichever vehicle in whichever league- that doesn't affect us anyhow.

If your income is fine then no problem to spend some hundreds on Wows ships. I would have suggested also to buy a premium time because otherwise it is too expensive to play in T10-T11. I bought in the beginning 2 premium BBs because people suggested those (Jb, Gerorgia) but after playing the game ca 1 year i realized that i don't like so called gambler ship types (BBs, Cruisers) and i sometimes just yolod with the JB and Georgia to the middle of the map to die quickly and get credits quickly. Because my goal was to buy all Japanese standard ships and that is an expensive goal. You bought all kind of ships so you don't probably know yet which ship types you like. I love Subs, CVs, DDs. From your listing only Cossack would be fine to me but i can't use it in T10 Ranked Gold League. so i wouldn't buy it, it is useless to me. Hornet looks useless because i prefer T10-T11 CVs. all you premium ships are worse than standard T10 ships. I play with Roma 1 battle when on the weekend my clan's Naval Battle needs one game with Italian BBs. I got that ship from a mission box or somewhere andi didn't bought it. I never buy any gambler ship types and i don't buy any other ships anymore either for real money. The only ships i will buy is one Research Points DD Vampire 2. I am happy with plenty of standard subs, DDs, CVs. I use from premium ships my Z44 DD when i need credits. But i don't need any credits recently so that ship and other premiums just stay untouched. I suggest that try Ranked battles. That shows your real level. If you can progress to the silver league then very good because most people cannot do that. In my personal forum i wrote topics how to handle your Wows account. You got now credit making ships. But you need 2 favoutite standard ship lines. If you like DDs, then for example get EU gunboat DD line and Japanese torpedo DD line ships, all Tier 6-10, with captains and things. And thats enough to perform in gold league. and premiums are not needed for that. But your premiums have surely nice camos and so on. So enjoy them and make credits. If they introduce a premium subs then i won't buy it. But when they add to the Tech Tree subs then i immediately get them of cause. 2 Subs line are perfect and enough if someone loves Subs.

do you mean that CVs repair tool works so long that ping is rejected on them? In BBs that period is shorter. I think it is fine for CVs. I wait ca 20 seconds and then ping again them but meanwhile you can send some guided torps still out. I think let Cvs have such long ping-immunity time. Why do you assume that his brother missed in 3300 battles anything? Maybe it was because other factors? Don't you agree that stats are irrelevant?

I have seen my clan members sometimes in the golden league and i have automatically given +1 to them. It is forbidden to give +1 but i have silently done it. But i always follow 100% my rule that giving-1 is forbidden always. So, the you meet familiar people sometimes. But now very often. sometimes there are famous Youtubers in my battles. I don't have any reaction to them because i don't support people who ask fame and money. Let them do their business and for me they have no more value than other players.

i agree partially what you said. but i don't think that Subs need nerfing or buffing. They are fine at the moment in my opinion. You can buff as you suggest but really no need. If people really demand and wish to buff Subs then fine but in my opinion those ship types are mature and don't need buffs/nerfs. As you al lsee many people love subs and Cvs and want to buff them. This is a healthy thing that there are many different opinions. I as a Sub lover think that Subs are mature now and buffing is not needed unless people really demand.

Why do you think that you are not a good player? A good player has first healthy mentality to entertainment and other things in life. It is not well to get stressed in a pub when you loose a billiards game or a Wows battle. It is not reasonable to report to bar tender something about what other strangers talked or other things, also in Wows it is not healthy to report, and in other entertainment. Do you have such mental stability or not? If not, then you are not a good player but it looks like majority fails in that aspect. Secondly, it does not matter how good or bad you are in blilliards and Wows. Being good doesn't make your opinions more right and doesn't make you win debates. You say that you play only for fun but why do you mention at all how good or not you are? If you play for fun then you should not care about your performance. Do you think that healthy people in a pub care how good they play billiards? No, most people no, they play for fun. If you really play for fun and you don't lie then you shouldn't see any obstacles or problems in this game. For example, i don't see any problems in this game, i don't see any OverP ships, i don't believe in propaganda and don't feel pain. This is how you play for fun and stay healthy. You said that you spent money in entertainment. If someone takes your account, apples, etc away or closes the game then this is a thievery. You paid and the product was taken away. But this hasn't happened so you can continue to use your apples and do the Wows entertainment. Seems that you mention typical popular slogans that propaganda has given to you. And as a young person you feel that you do right things if you follow the ideas and attitudes that are popular. But all the believes that the haters league has have been debunked. WG don't believe in those debunked believes, i don't believe, sub/CV players don't believe, etc. Why do you believe in things that you cannot prove? In some brainwashed communities peopel avoid pork, avoid the word War, because of propaganda. I suggest that become free from propaganda. And your pain soon fades away. You won't see any probelms any longer. You mention a popular typical MM term. Well, MM is fine, there is no pain and sufferings about it. It is technically impossible to make ideal MM when there are not enough players online and other reasons. But there is no need for ideal things. The MM is fine and i call it perfect. In conclusion i suggest you to try to throw away popular attitudes and believes. When you try to say something then try to provide a proof. Try to think about life and things. There is really no problem in Wows and anywhere. If you want to leave Wows then fine but there is no need to tell that to others. Do you think that others change their mind because you leave? No, me, WG, and open minded people will continue to love subs, CVs, and we don't see any problems. And the haters league continues to hate no matter if you leave or not. Also i see from stats that you are active: https://wows-numbers.com/player/539103638,ilguelfo/progress/ If you are still active then your thread was just a propaganda act. I think that your activeness proves all what i said. Next i suggest that practice in the forum to be yourself and not to be a Propaganda. Try to be yourself. Say what you mean and don't repeat any popular things. Say only the truth. And enjoy the game.

Today i stopped nicely a gambler ship type (BB, Cruisers) by swimming in front of him an he stayed in smoke and survived there and made lot of benefits for my team. I lead enemy teams and suggested them to start capping and other things. Looks like they listened me and capped 2 caps nicely but eventually they lost still which is bad. In conclucion: a good smoke for a gambler, and good leadership for the enemy team.

I hope it is fine for you that i didn't read your italic text. There are 2-3 simple reasons why i skip such noise. Seems that your offtopical Deep-Ai is some kind of internet tool and your opinion is that it is not good enough tool. In my opinion a lot of Ai is better than humans. All sort of chess robots have very strong Ai and beat human. The word Bot comes fro mthe bigger word Robot and it is an honor to becalled Bot or robot- it means you are a God, very good. Bot = God. If you want to talk about the Ai in the Wows then make another thread. Otherwise just accept the truth: you are off topic. But i am not offtopic becausei answer always to the original posters and so on. Can you try to become as good as i am? I for example stay in topics, win debates, enjoy the game- but you? You only suffer, loose, and spam. Isn't it so? It looks so. so, try to improve. We can talk about Ai in the game in a separate topic- it is an interesting topic. At the last you use the slang term Trolling. Obviously you don't know how to define it. Because in the propaganda sociums people just act and believe, they don't think. I have asked many times people to define or explain and they fail to do it. I doupt that you understand the words that you say includingthe Trolling word. You say that i am trolling. But why is it so that you cannot prove your such popular typical opinion and other opinions? You are not able to prove me, Wg, sub players and some other open minded peopel anything. True? Yes, true. So, you can't prove anything. I know that in your faulty understandings trolling has a negative meaning but i don't do any trolling by even your faulty term definition. I stay in the topic, your hive doesn't. I answer all questions, but haters don't. I never spam and never use inadequate methods, but brainwashed league does. There is no trolling however you define that term.

your handwriting is very difficult to be read. Seems like you changed your mind. That's good. I don't see in your listing the most important aspect which is that there is a minimal distance restriction from your BB where you can drop bombs. That restricts little bit your options. A Sub can safely get close to you and you can't shoot him. Who knows why people don't know that and other details yet they believe that their stats give them that and other knowledge and the victory in debates. I don't play gambler ships usually but i immediately saw that aspect and i am amazed that people who play thousands of games with BBs don't mention that. As i love subs then when i play i swim under BBs often if needed. You say that in Randoms things are random. Yes, and there is no good cure for it, and actually it is not a problem there. Sooner or later they open gold league again and you can play there where you have less chaos. I as a 40% player will surely be there which proves that there is no need to assume that 40% WR players perform somehow weaker compared to you and other gold members. You mention a popular term Meta. I don't understand well what that means but there are much better words to describe what they mean. Like words Trend, popularity, main tactics, etc. If for example secondary guns are not effective currently then they say that "Meta/Trend is that secondaries are not effective". Seems you say that subs makes it effective to use certain tactics and things. But every new element i nthe equation changes things little bit and this is normal. I haven't seen that gambler ships (BBs, Cruisers) have changed their behaviour after subs were added. They take still the same positions. And if they decide to start to behave differently then what is bad or unhealthy in such change. It is natural that things change in life. Autistic people react with bigger stress to changes but other people just adopt. In the Random battles everything is always so random that Subs are irrelevant there. This is my opinion. You don't have to agree with me but you sohuldn't feel pain either because other opinions. I think it is healthy if people learn to see different opinions and other healthy things.

Your explanations prove that XP and stats are irrelevant. You say that a ship on the last position in the results still effects the battle. Yes, true, but the amount of the effect is usually almost zero in such cases. I think the English word magnitude/importance suits here. People sometimes try to prove their believes by taking a rare counter-example that either occures so rarely or impacts the big picture in so low amount. For example, they may get atatched to the idea that "water is poisones because there are cases when people died after drinking 9 liters of water". The real explanation is that people actually want to just be right and then they provide such low magnitude arguments. I believe that in our example the Subs were harmless and they didn't impact much anything. In my opinion most times subs are harmless and i have explained. If you want to go to details then yes Subs have some impact to the game just like other ships. so, you can say that all ships are little bit harmful. We can all watch the replay of the battle with that earlier picture and let's see with our own eyes how harmful Subs were.

It is true that I don't remember you. But even if i could remember someone then it is irrelevant. Seems you say that your team lost because your opinion is that the CV didn't play well. First, did you enjoy the battle? If yes, then everything is fine. If you felt sufferings then i suggest that go an analyze why you are in pain. You can post replays and we can analyze. But 1 random battlesomewhere should make you suffer so much. Can you prove next time that CV was mainly responsible otherwise it is jsut your potentially faulty opinion. Specially if you share opinions that a propaganda socium has then very likely many of your opinions are false. so, i think this response is nice and adequate to you. Secondly, you seems to say that i am not in topic and so on. Can you prove it? I came to this and all other topicsand replied to original poster and no mistakes, no spam, no hatred. I explain everything, promote positiveness. Seems you agree with me that restricting players by skills is not wise. I suggest to be more positive, lower your pain, don't take entertainment so negatively. Entertainment is a positive thing for mentally well people. But some medical conditions for example don't like noise and things then they get mad isntead. So, if you don't have any mental things then it is only a thing of your attitude and mind. I suggest that find a guru who teaches how to take entertainments. I can provide myself too such exercises and things if i find a proper folder in this forum where to make it.

Yes, almost true. The mentality is: 1) there is no matter which diplomas, stats, titles, etc one has. Those are irrelevant and better to keep everyone in such permission/status where they can choose whivh buildings they want to build in my clan. I as a clan owner am not allowed to do that by my rules. My respected clan members do that and other things. This is a true democracy. If you can prove that other rulesets are better then do and prove and let's see. All of my opinions, arguments, rules have proved to be good and i don't even remember when i lost any debate in my life. Therefore my rules cannot be so bad and wrong. 2) you say that 'every kid gets a trophy mentality' but i call it universal positiveness. There is no pain, no suffer, no stres, only giving and joy. Every months the clan gives a box as a pay to its members. At least there is such respectful pay. Without a pay one could call it slavery. Those 2 ideas have been effective among other rules. But the clan doesn't hire anymore because it achieved to get all buildings it wanted. There is no point to like or dislike someone's rules, clans, body weight, skin color. Those things are irrelevant. It does not matter who is who. You can be Jenner or Penner it is irrelevant. And cucumber and bodyweight and stats don't prove any arguments.

I understand your picture so that Subs have made in total 9 battles and got lower experience reward than other ships. In my opinion it is so because it takes time to learn how to use subs. I think it takes 30 battles to understand well enough how Subs work. But CVs are even more complex in my opinion and it is normal that people practice in Random battles with those complex ships and learn them. In Random battles people try all the time new ships. Subs and CVs are not the only ones there. There is no way stop people to enter Random battles. And i don't expect from Random battles anything because they have so many random things inside. Therefore i play Ranked gold league more often. If i play Randoms then i grind new ships. In Randoms many times some ships are AFK. Many ships have in stats lot of experience but make lot of primitive moves. In my opinion in Randoms there are plenty of randomness and CVs and Subs are not any special example there. Typical famous idea has been to somehow remove very new players from some leagues. For example such ideas are to suggest that one cannot play T10 ships if he doesn't meet some criterias and that MM should take into account players historical data and so on. But such ideas have never been very serious and therefore never implemented. If you make a separate thread that would argue how the game would be good to everyone then such debate wouldn't give victory to those who complain all the time about everything. There simply is not wise to add more complexity to the game what some players can and cannot do. And the very ultimate thing is that at the end complaining people wouldn't win anymore if all weak players have been eliminated and they don't actually feel fun anymore. MY short suggestion is that Random battles are perfect and there is no point to change anything. If one wishes to play with stronger players then one option is the Ranked gold league. Probably clan battles is the second best option. And overall suggestion is to take life as it is and not feel pain and suffer about things. In Random battles everything is very random and Subs and CVs are most of the times harmless there. There is nothing to do and no point to do anything with Randoms. This is my opinion. Maybe it is wise to create a new game mode where you make the picture so that complainers would be happy. But the playerbase is not so big i guess to make so many leagues and as i mentioned the reality is that complainers will not get happier there. It is very difficult to satisfy all opinions in such balancing topics. But in overall i for example don't see that some ships are over powered and i believe the balance is fine. One suggestion is to change your own mentality so that you don't get upset about things. One sure way to achieve that is to not copy propaganda. At the moment you told things that propaganda does every minute. So, you are actually under their influence and their belief systemand attitudes cause pain and suffer all the time. Try to ignore them and be yourself as they say. In that case sooner or later you realize that there are no problems in this entertainment game.

Subs and other ships end up in position 15 in the results often. They are harmless to enemies but also their own team doesn't get mush affected about their 0 input. Sometimes the enemy team has a AFK BB and becomes 15th as well as in your picture. That makes irrelevant if a Sub placed 15 or 7. You repeat a well known defeated argument about player skills. Let's not repeat things and say that in your picture Subs didnt have rare extreme player skills. They were typical Sub players. At the end you assume that i don't know what the term Prove means. But i have proven opposite things about terms quite often in this forum. I don't understand what your cloud image proves in your text. does it prove that your hive lost again a debate or maybe that stats matter?

I understand that you try to say that if somewhere was by someone written historically a phrase "we are currently autistic" then you believe that someone somewhere is today autistic by that words literal meaning and not any slang meaning. I have here the same answer that i have for stats and other history: they are irrelevant. Is somewhere was written that 2+2 is 5 then it does not mean that people there were wrong and it does not prove anything else. The same way your stats don't prove if 2+2 is 5 or 4. I think i have repeated that idea plenty of times plenty of ways. Your image is inadequate. I call it spam. You seem to say that sometimes autism is good and sometimes bad. Well, i sugest that go and debate about it and find your standpoint. Secondly, medical conditions, diplomas, skin color, etc are inadequate arguments. Very often in some countries government tries to title journalists as mentally ill. Such methods are inadequate nad are common to propaganda/brainwashed sociums. Then you seem to suggest me to be in topic and adequate. But your this post and msot your hive posts are offtopic and inadequate. I jsut explained many things you did inadequately. For example i explained that your offtopical spam image is inadequate. I have usually come to threads and answered the OP and never used inadequate methods. For exampel i don't post spam images, i don't skip any questions/arguments, etc. Andthat is the reason why i won all the debates. At the end you say that you are amazed that i am not banned yet and you assume that i am paid. Well, i have answered to many people that assumptions are not adequate things to do. Try to prove that i get paid for example. Secondly banning is the last step where journalists disappear. I won't be amazed about that but it doesn't mean that the journalist did something wrong. If you are amazed and many proved to get new knowledge and activity etc then you are welcomed. I don't loose anything by lighting other candles/minds here. You post repeat all typical defeated/answered thouhts that was tried earlier. You can find my suggestions earlier many times so i won't repeat them here. I hope you are fine that i provided an answer to you that differs from your believes. You can stay on your believes i stay mine. It shouldn't make pain and suffer if others have argumented other opinions.

I explained to the OP an opposite opinion. Go and look. We can stay on different opinions. I don't agree with people but with arguments. so, if you can show any adequate argument then i might agree. i provided an explanation that proves opposite than you say. And i repeat: You can make a separate thread about it.

I came to that thread and answered to the original poster as i always usually do. His question was about Coop battles and CV tactics as i understood. The topic's title is misleading in my opinion and doesn't mean that it is expected to give posts like you do. Therefore your posts here are all off topic.