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it was 21k without a premium account but i have a prem account so it was around 50k as i remember. 50k income in 1 minute? So, make some arithmetics and you see how profitable it is. If you make little but more than i did (land 1-2 torps) in that example battle then you get billions quickly. Are you sure that Coop gives more credits than Randoms? But coop doesn't give XP as muchas Randoms i see that at every weekend in Naval battles. So, it is best to yolo in Randoms to get both XP, captain skills, and also money. Idid the example battle in purpose because it was part of today's debate. I won today debates by the method "prove by example", yesterday by other adequate methods. They had illusional believes so they requested a proof battle and i made. I don't do such yolo battle anymore because i got all the ships bought which i wanted. I have bought even 2 of T11 CVs so i really don't buy anything any more and therefore i don't yolo so. There are some "yolos" which i do still but not often. For example i nthe gold league i test psychology by swimming with a DD very close to the other DD and often it results that the psychology breaks for the alley DDand he stops and we both stop the whole battle with 0 dmg. Such things i do of cause to learn brainwashing aspects but not so often.

Those bothare different and you can't like them equally. One is like french/russian DDs who hunt other DDs. The other is like Shima with long torps. Those are different styles and you can't like both at the same time.

So you saw that making almost zero inpact/damage i got nice credits quickly. This i did with JB and Georgia and other shipstoo because i wanted to buy very quickly all Japanese shipsinto my garage and i fullfilled my goal. For me it is entertaining when gold members with high stats perform worse than me in gold league and come to debate after battles. I like to debate and my stats help on that. If one needs credits then prem account and lower tier standardships (t8 ?) are a good way. Or of cause if you have money more than both prem ship like z44 and a prem account and do missions which give you for free ships and sell them. For example right now they have missions for french cruisers. I obviously won't play cruisers/BBs so i sell them soon and do useful things with credits.

i don't have such section and i don't use any flags/signals. It is an honest example and a replay is available. It has the default Type 10 camo which affects credits only by "minus 20% of post battle service". I believe you mix Xp modifiers and credits modifiers. There probably are no credit modifiers i nthe game.

Almost true. The same goes for those who want some ships to be removed or nerfed.

In my personal forum i explained what one needs. In short you need 2 lines of favourite ship types. Example: i love subs and CVs but DDs are fine too. This is what i need to grind: 1. I need to have all T6-T10 EU dds ready to be used (6 ships in total) and the same from a Japanese DD line (6 ships). Why 2? Because if one of them died in the golden battle then you take the second one. 2. American and brittish CVs. No need for additional CVs. That is 3+3=6 ships if my calculus is correct. 3. If one day they add subs to the Tech tree then get 2 lines fully available. 4. No need for other ships types. The difficulty is to find which ship lines you like most. For the golden league Halland and Haru are fine for me, and the 2 CVs as well. It takes some time to understand which lines suit you. Therefore sometimes people grind and test little bit more lines. I almost never touch anymore cruisers or BBs and i know which DD types i like. So, i have points 1 and 2 done and i don't grind anything else. But for the upper rank gold league you may want a Research Berau or a Steel/Coal ship. But no need. But you may take 1 such ship because otherwise the gold league takes too long time.

In the closed thread people asked me to make a screenshot of a battle where you make around 5k damage with Z44 and you profit in credits +21k. So, i added such example data below. Obviously people start to add irrelevant inadequate other counter-arguments to prove their believes but my example proved what i said there. Replay with 1600 dmg and 21k profit with Z44 without premium account: https://replayswows.com/replay/160191#stats (I hope that is the right Replay file but if it is not then screenshots are fine as well)

I noticed that post only now. All points seem almost true. 1. What do you mean by that point 1? It is true that among gold members there is less brainwashed believes and behaviours. As a gold member i have still seen lot of brainwash but little bit less than in Randoms. 2. True, everyone know how a memeber/element of a propaganda socium behaves. It is predivtable very easily. 3. I'm not usre about what you mean there. The T8 premium is nothing special but is fine. There are no over powered ships there really. 4. Yes, people don't know that elementary fact. They also don't know which 4-digit number is a well known number to be dialled in the beginning when playing subs. and that lack of knowledge proves that stats are irrelevant and don't give knowledge. 5. Yes, gambler ships move 30-40 km/h. Only a few like french DDs go faster. It is a great success if you manage to stop a gambler ship type so that he stays in your fog and benefits your team. 6. Yes. There is no need to play a math doctor or grammar professor in the internet. 7. Yes again. Sub/Cv haters act like fascists when they immediately report players with those vehicles and for them all such people are just minions without any name or respect. 8. True. Mentality in billiards, Wows, and other entertainments and in life general is the key. Very good thoughts you have, almost like mine.

I think there are enough people like who love Subs more than Cvs. But Subs are still at the moment available but you can't use them in the Ranked. Your example of Cvs without planes at the end of battles proves that AA is very powerful and that Cvs are quite harmless just like subs at the end of battles without oxygen.

I made 1st ranked battle with Z44 and 52k dmg and without premium account it would have given 136k credits. Soon we get better examples. But already now you can do some calculus: if 50k dmg = 140k credits then remove zerons and you get an answer: 5k dmg = 14k credits. And that proves my statement because 14k is bigger than zero. But i use premium account so i don't need to make 5k dmg but less and profit even more.

I have given adequate explanations about stats so i won't repeat here. If you doupt that z44 makes profit then i can make an example battle for you with ca 5k dmg.

Yes you can. Even if you go yolo andmake 5k damage you get credits. Isn't it so? If yes then do you agree that you were wrong? About irrelevant stats i have given enough comments.

The latter famous saying is obvious if the concept of Duality/2 becomes more clear. Until there exist an object and that sees one more object there is a duality in the world and they have a relation which is bad and/or good or as you express "a method/good in everything". Facism existed already before the professional organizer Hitler so obviously one can address good words to such organizational skills to the thing that existed hundreds years before but nobody couldn't organize anything much yet. In dualistic life/world there is a method in everything. After some hundreds years while more and more minds awaken/die things will change drastically and there won't be any method in anything anymore because there won't be any thing and any body anymore. In other words that will be beyond knowledge/reasoning. Today there are only some thousand such enlightened examples in the world but the amount appears to grow. Those who are very attached to they math knowledge and other earthy things could benefit if they sometimes think about the non-duality ideas. For example when you are so obsessed with an idea that some vehicle types in this game are not balanced in your opinion then go make a break for a minute and listen from Youtube genuine people saying that you and your vehicle types and other things are actually an illusion.

Elbing is the worst DD if to say so. It is therefore a challenging one and i have done many battles in gold league specially with that one because it is challenging to win with the "worst/hardest" vehicle. Her torps are so slow that you must be very professional to land them. And of course manuverability is very bad and the main feature of having strong AP guns on DD is usually useless because those guns are stil lworse than cruisers have and DD becomes ineffective when taking cruisers role. The next challenginf ship is in my opinion the one russian DD. I played both asa challenge and that is a reasonable reason. Obviously bad maneuverable ships like Haru, Elbing take torps easily in from Subs/CVs. But if you are lucky then your Elbing can of cause kill by his torps a sub sometimes. It requires a luck mostly i think. Buffing Elbing is fine i guess. But not too much. Because it is just a special ship that needs a babysitter ships/team. Other Dds should set smoke for Elbing and then he can shoot APs towards gambler ships. But independent DDs don't need babysitting and don't sit in smoke often. So, it is a very special DD and needs to be played very specially and the team must support him.

What do you mean by Dark Side? Many non-brainwashed adequate people love Subs and Cvs, you can see them in every other battle. It is totally fine if you like gambler/primitive ships and she likes advanced ship types. If she likes T6 then there are many reasons of course. Let people like the tier they want.

Can haters explain how big pain they have so that others could imagine that little bit? Does the heart rate elevate considerably when you see a topic where people say they love CVs and subs? What about hands - do they get sweaty when you see someone having a different opinion about Cvs than the popular opinion? Is there such a suffering feeling that you feel a need to shout maybe or something. Can you describe?

You are right i think. But without a such steel camo you won't bankrupt so quickly. Sometimes i use Z44 if i make credits. I don't feel i need an other premium. In t9 there are no Cvs, if they had a T9 premium Cv i would maybe buy.

Is the main reason that T10 is too expensive? I think T6 subs are nice of course too and the T6 is also little bit easier to play too which many like. Good to see another CV/Sub lover. Cheers.

I don't like Enterprise because i don't like to play Randoms and i don't like Tier 8 either. That's why i don't like any premium ships. The only special ships i consider fine are T10 ships for special currency. For Coal, Research Points, Steel, maybe for Free Exp some. For example, T10 Vampire 2 DD for 60k Research Points is fine compared to any T8 premium vehicle for money. Because you can use that ship in gold league and this is where you mostly are. In T8 you have russian CV which performs fine as well. Premiums are only good if you need credits in my opinion. That's why i have bought 2 Steel camos for 10k each and put to my 2 favourite T10 standard DDs so that they can earn some credits and enable T10 playing without a bankruptcy. If you don't have such camos then you need either a premium account or such T8 premium Cv of course.

With Dds they clear your 1st ping mark msot times but they fail to clear the 2nd. It doesn't take too much practice to set ping mark on those fast DDs. And then you use 2-3 torps and keep pinging and then add 2 more and keep pinging. They take torps in very often. andthere is no point to be afraid of Dds anddive. Instead, stay still and ram finally them. Such attitude grows when you play russian DDs which have ca 4km range only. In my suggestion is that you learn from DD practice msot of the things for Subs as well. Randoms are a practice room. Take one evening when you go always to kill the Cv. Next evening practice DD killing. Then practice caps that have rock in the middle- kill ships behind it. Then practice killing other Subs. And finally you have enough skills after that and will be successful against DDs and others.

I understand that you support buffing CVs. I as a CV lover say Fine for that. You like CVs as well as i understand like many people and you enjoy the game when it is easy and successful for you and a buff would increase your success. I don't like to have easy success. That's why i don't think that ships need buffs. I enjoy leading enemies and alleys while i play and get the middle position in the results later. That is the highest joy. with too many buffs the joy may disappear. Good to see more Cv/Sub players like you, me and others here. We are many.

Why do you use so bad hand writing? I suggest my rules: never change fonts, never add graphics, links and other inadequate elements. If you really need to add a link or something then first apologize and then post it but it should rarely be like once a month or so. You repeat a popular defeated opinion that WG don't listen. That opinion is false because they listen but there is nothing adequate to listen. I have heard that WG makes professional polls which results show that peopel are happy with subs and CVs. I personally like CVs much but subs i love. I have never seen any adequate arguments from the so called haters league. WG hasn't seen either, almost every battle you have CV/Subs players who also haven't ever hear in the history anything considerable from the haters propaganda. Therefore there is nothing to listen really. I would never listen people who post spamm and make weird font. I immediately ignore such text if possible and won't read. Some people above say "Even seen an account that was only a couple of weeks old who was sailing a T10 sub. ". In my experience it does not matter how old an account is or which stats it has because it may be 2nd account or brother's account. There are not so many such examples where people use Arp Yamatos and other T10 ships like Subs. A new player usually feels itself better in T8 than in T10. In Randoms there are so many randomness that harmless subs have no impact there neither to the enemy nor to the alley team. Removing weak opponents actually means shooting to your own foot and suffer later. You can see little bit that when you listen the reasons why people avoid gold ranked league. There the real reason is that it doesn't feel anymore so satisfactory to play when weaker players are gone.

I like CVs but Subs i love. I also hope that the haters league can do their propaganda elsewhere and we have educated them well enough recent days so they won't spam anymore so often and are more adequate. I agree that the main topic is to think if CVs need something against Subs. If people demand so much that buff then fine. But personally i don't think that all ships should have all tools. Life/war has never been fair. Some ships have some tools, other ship other tools- that is normality.

That sounds like the whole map will stay oily everywhere and you can't anymore understand where is the last oil spot. You can wish the oil spots to change longer but not forever. In my opinion this point 9 is constructed very short-sighted way not thinking enough far. Such things happen in life when peopel are not adequate. I suggest that be professional, adequate, be calm and think through things. Otherwise you end up with emotional ideas that most are invalid. I would like to see the WG's official poll about subs because i feel it is a professional one. Can someone say where it is?

I love CVs but Subs i love. And CV mode and also gambler primitive ships mode would be interesting of cause. Why not. I think it is not wise to have too many game modes while the players amount is relatively small. That's why they don't want to make such things. In the Coop it seems like (Ro)bot CVs never manage to hit you because at the aiming moment they assume that you will stop moving and stay in place. The result is that their bullets always land behind you. I believe that is only a button control that has put bot CVs to such primitive level and it only takes a moment to set their smartness to the higher level. But i suggest to keep Bots level little bit higher than it is in the Coop and then have the Cv-only mode and other extreme modes so that half of the team were bots. In that case there would be enough players, enough CV players and such game mode would work fine. And when it becomes more popular then lower the amount of robot CVs. That mode also teaches how to play well because Bots are smarter than humans.