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Seems that you don't want to admit that you agreed with my arguments. You seem to repeat your previous opinions which i already answered so we have nothing to argument here and the argumentation round is closed. It is popular to say that the opponent arguments were too long and wide and one didn't have time to answer them and the stomach made problems too and it was a rainy day.

We have the same opinion that many people would like nuke game mode. But we all agree also that the nuke example is too extreme and out of reality. Helicopters and subs on the other hand are totally in reality and fine. As you all see so many people agreed with me and many just lost in argumentation to me be ignoring my counter questions and arguments. If you have some misunderstandings in something then come to my clan's forum and i explain there.

Why do you say that the enemy team can't do anything against you if the MM gives the enemy team the same tools? If you are not trying to do irony then i think such Wild game mode would be popular and thousands would play liek they play subs every day now. Here opinion is all you can have because you can't prove what happens in the future. I think you have a good opinion and at the first glance i agree with you like many has agreed with me in this topic. But why don't we come back to the Subs topic? Let's make a listing of plusses and minuses and make experiments. For example it is not difficult if you all do 5 Random battles in a rown and post here 5 screenshots of the results. And then we all move our own eyes over them and answer: 1. do our all eyes see the same way that subs are harmless or not? 2. Do we see that most don't have golden rank and who has? 3. let's pick up some Silver members and see their stats how many battles they play and we hopefully find some who play a lot and wont progress.

What do you sugges to do if people want opposite things? WG, me and thousands of subs players want subs to be in the Random and Ranked battles. Majority want Subs to be removed and you want them to stay in a special game mode. So, there are 3 different wishes and why should the world do your way? I don't see anything wrong in Subs and everything that the reality has. I would be glad to have helicopter carriers and cannons on the rocks like missions have and so on. I like al lthose things and i doupt that they should be in a separate battle mode. But i wouldn't mind if they create a separate Wild mode with helicopters and static cannons. I am sure those thousands subs players today would join such Wild mode.

I see that you agree with me that only rarely someone could get rank 1 by doing yolo/afk style. So, you agreed with me that it is nearly impossible or in other words jsut impossible. You are wrong if you say that it is difficult to estimate how many battles one needs to rank up. The proof is that people play plenty of battles in Ranked and they never get to the golden league. That you can look from Random battle results and find such examples from stats database. I have even proof from my own experience that i had very bad internet for weeks and couldn't complete bronze league. Also i suggested an experiemnt. Go and do that experiment that make 10 battles in Ranked and yolo and see how you progress. As i explained the golden league's MM with 5 ships makes it ca 80% times a loss if 1 ship yolos because other 4 cannot win against 5. I suggest to do such offtopical experiment. we can do it in my forum if you want. Also i suggest to copy paste here 10 Random battle results to prove my arguments visually. You say something that many people don't prefer to play Ranked. Well if Ranked golden league gives you 800 gold and some other benefits and most would agree that has more skillful team then there is no honest reason why people don't play Ranked. If they don't play then most of the time the honest reason is that it is more difficult than Random battles. They just don't admit it. Anyway many play but have Bronze rank if you look Random battle results. Just do 5 games in a rown and watch with your eyes to get the proof. Also seems you agree with me in another arguments. Also seems you use many times the word believe and finally admit that you shouldn't use it so often. I disagree with you again and i believe that the verb Believe is totally fine and has nothing to do with religion. I repeat that canwe all agree that we end argumentation session and close it? We proved all my arguments and many agreed with me. That is a fact and it should not hurt you that someone has different opinions than you. Why not to do al ltogether the challenges i suggest. Post 10 pictures from battle results int oa new topic and let's look al lwith our eyes what we see. We can do that also in the Ranked battles to prove the ranked battle belief.

I think you agreed with most of my arguments because you didn't provide any reasonable arguments against mine and you even agreed with some of my arguments. For example, we both agree that subs should not be removed fro mthe game, should not. I don't comment your other part of the text but just recommend you to assume less and provide a proof to your opinions. Can we agree that this is fine that we both suggest to each other something and stay on the same main opinion about subs that they should stay and have different other opinions? Let others hate subs and want to remove them but many people here including you are in the opposite position.

It is a popular belief that everyone can become rank 1 in golden league. That offtopical false belief suggest that just enter a battle an either be Afk or yolo and do many battles and you get carried to rank 1. The reality proves that such opinion is totally out of reality. The reality is that weaker players will never reach even the golden league this way. How to prove it. One proof is that look at the Random battles results and see how many percentage of players are golden members from 30 players? Not many, i would say 1 in average. How to prove? Let's post screenshots of 5 battles where you see that subs are at the bottom harmlessly and golden rank is visible only for 1 or 2 players from 30 and if you see how many have rank 3 or 2 then you don't see anyone. That is a proof with your eyes. Your eyes show that not many get golden rank. Also experience proves it. Make a challenge with someone to yolo 30 battles in a row in a silver league and show the pictures here how much the rank increased. I believe it won't inclease but stay on the rank 10. Specially in the golden league with 5 players in MM one won't get rank 1 by yolo. do you agree that you were wrong i nthat popular belief? You seem to say that winrate is not perfect but other people believe that stats are all good. Go argue with them who is wrong- you or others in this topic. I explained that the main reason people talk about stats is to feed mentally ill mind. In this topic some people try to even use a method like "your stats are bad and therefore your opinion about pork, war and subs are all wrong". I hope you understand that stats are not a tool/argument to determine the truth. And most cases stats are for mental issues, feeding insecure ego and so on. If you have no arguments left and are loosing an argumentation then you try to save yourself by attacking the opponents hair cut and historical highschool grases or Wows stats. Those stats don't determine anything about wheather 2+2 is 4 or not 4. Stats are irrelevant. Specially irrelevant about topics like "are subs bad or not". Also i gave plenty of examples why stats are irrelevant. If suggested to measure todays skills with a 10 battles together and doing analyze and when you hire an employee you do an exam and ignore diplomas. I gave an example that a 65% WR persons didn't reach rank 1 and had worse rank and worse playing skills in a battle than me which proves that the stats didnt played but the person played. I don't believe in any stats and in any diplomas. I only believe if you are today i nthe golden league then i believe you have golden level, if you are i nthe silver league then your level is silver. I don't believe any numbers from Random battles or any numbers from historical other battles. and i have explained well my reasons. The main point is that it does not matter which stats i have.

I understood you want to suggest to not represent opinions as facts? Your suggestion is for those people in this topic who say "everyone hates subs" because that sounds like a fact and they don't add any clause there like "this is my opinion". And they really seemed to be like brainwashed or how to say that sincerely believe that everyone hates. If you want to suggest them to not do hate speach or not to represent opinions as facts then tell them that. You don't have to tel lthat to me because i haven't phrased myself such way. You like many others agreed clearly that the reality is that subs are harmless. Why do you feel then need to remove a harmless thing? Provide a proof how some harmless things can be bad. I think i already mentioned some good sides of subs. They make the game more interesting, more realistic. But i don't have to provide the whole listing of good sides. I firstly achieved that i proved that there are no bad sides in those harmless things. I don't understand your opinion about subs sniping Cvs. The subs don't have enough air most of the battles and die because of that very often either in front of the CV or elsewhere. That is a fact and has nothing to do what you think about anyones knowledge. There is no knowledge in the subs and air topic. And if there even is a minor detail then it doesn't prove that someone has totally wrong knowledge about something. As i gave previously an example that if you find a grammar detail in someones argumentation then that doesn't make you a winner in the whole argumentation. I didn't understood your CV example but also some people didn't understood earlier some of my examples. I commented and comment to such cases again: it does not matter if one don't understand some detail in the big picture. You say that i don't understand issues what peopel are pointing out. I reply to that i am aware of all arguments in that topic and i think you are wrong again by assuming that i don't understand something. I suggest that don't assume. You say an offtopical belief that stats are good after i have proved that stats are useless and you can't deny any of the arguments that i gave there. I suggest again that find a forum where you can talk about such topic. There is no point to tweet somewhere without any proof and any dialogue that "stats are good and subs and pork bad" and believe that. Finally you say that it is fine that thousands of people like Subs and play them. Well, many people in this topic disagree with you and would say that everyone hates subs and it is not fine to like subs. I have for example got chat banned when i said that i like subs. So, go and argue with other people why they have different opinion than you and me. And good to see that we have the same opinion i none thing. And seems you suggest to go read something, some forums. Well, this sounds like the earlier suggestion to watch live videos. I explained why i deny your such suggestions. I explained my every point well in this argumentation so i suggest people to go read earlier explanations above.

Yes, that part from your post is clear and the truth and proves what i have said before. Do you suggest to ignore your those opinions that are the same that WG, me and thousnads of players have? Why not to agree with the reality that many people including you have proved my points here and that is totally normal. You don't have to see my as an enemy whose all opinions must be wrong. No, my opinions are all correct and you yourself with others provie it. Wgat do you mean by Really? I don't really see what do you mean here but i understand that you are offtopic. You agree that msot people including you have been offtopic here but i have given intopic opinions. If the tile is "remove subs" then obviously we should talk about plusses and minuses of the subs. This is what i did and that is mandatory and intopic. You couldn't prove your point with such answer. that proves again my arguments. You introduced a new opinion which seems to say that all people should treat entertainment games the same way and seems like negative way by doing negative speach like you do and doing hate speach against subs and so on. I believe you are wrong that entertainment should be such. Also you seem to say that who don't compete nervously and do hate speach should stay away from Random battles and be in the coop only. That sounds very unhuman and wrong and is against software. If software allows you to entertain with the Random Battles button then one should go and enjoy and do no negative talk or attitude. There is no reason and no point to go to Coop and the Coop doesn't provide the same functionality like Randoms. so, here you are again totally wrong. I ask you to take calmly the fact that you are wrong. We are all wrong sometimes that is common to humans. But robots/bots/ai are always smarter and better than humans of cause. That why it is always a compliment if people call you a bot. The best chess bots are gods i would say. You say that you can explain something based on stats. But i already proved that stats are useless and can't explain anything and everyone agreed with that argument and my other arguments because they didn't provide any opoosite arguments. You cannot explain anything about any account and that is an offtopic and i don't think it enlightens anybody or proves anything.

So, you seem to start understanding what i explain. I explained that in entertainment people don't do hate talk and don't go to a bar tender to report anybody who played better than they or had a different opinion. It is good if you start to first time to understand. You are like enlightened now. I hope you understood my point that silencing, reporting, banning is not reasonable solutions in human population. For example some countries begin war in the other countries and kill humans there. Is it good/right to kill other humans? No. But they continue the war and prohibit the word "war" and anybody who dares to say that the ward and killing is bad for humans of the planet they will put to the prison such people. In Wows i have many times got the right to speak removed and that is not good for them or anybody. So, in my forum we have rules that support humans. With animals you may have other kind rules. I suggest to come to my forum and do your offtopical talks there and not here. Can we all agree by now that the argumentation period is over and closed. So, don't say any new arguments and specially don't adress me or ask me. If you really need then come to my forum and there we can talk.

You agree with me that there are people who don't see problem in Subs. You say that in your last sentence. Also me, WG and thousands subs players agree with both me and you on this matter. So, it is good that we have at least some opinions the same. But it would be bad if all our opinions would be identical. What do you mean by request opening? Do you mean that you want to first time in history write down the arguments that show why subs are good or bad and give such listing as a request to the WG? Or did you mean that you make a request to close this topic or something? Well, that would be like reporting in the game that violates Human rights and makes reporters complain and suffer on next battles. There is no victory in "solving" cosmetically things with sliencing something. I don't suggest any such requests and i prohibit those in my forum and also human rights and such are against it. You seem to say that most players have difficulties in most ships. Well, can you prove it somehow? In my first opinion it is mainly true and the proof is to analize let's say 5 battles in a row. But as i told it is not important how people perform in entertainment games like billiards, Wows. So, let most have beginners' skillset. My clan description has the link to our forum. In our forum we follow rules that support humans and we believe in arguments not in the blind brainwashed believes. I have pressed G button often when the MM has no subs because it makes the perimeter secured with the mines. It is just a good practice to do.

You ask offtopics that are irrelevant about this topic and i explained why i don't want to talk about much i nthis forum but my own foru mthat follows humanity. The very short answer to you is that clans have different rules and believes. My clan for example prohibits reporting, prohibits colored lists, prohibits hate talk, and we hire almost random people who just give their word that they follow our rules. We don't require anything else from them, no obligations. Other clans hire by other rules and have other rules. I believe most clans and most players repeat popular slogans al ltogether like is the tile of this topic and like is the hate speak in this topic and so on. So, go ask them why they hire as they hire and why they are liek they are. My opinion is that they have adopted blindly popular behaviours from others. Most hirering topics mention stats, so they hire by stats. Most job ads mention diplomas and so most companies higher people with as higher education as possible. Only minority of companies don't care about the diplomas and take talents in and grow them to gurus. So, clans hirering is a kind of brainwashed behaviour. The real exam of the skills is to do 5 battles together and see how the person really plays and forget his historical stats. Your real question seems to be that why not to believe in stats if good players today have good historical stats. Well, the first answer is that have good players been good from the very beginning or they were bad initially? The answer is that they were bad like all are initially and their stats and knowledge were bad. So, in the history there was a day when they become good but their stats stil lshowed that they are bad. In that case their stats are wrong about the reality, right? The stats show that they are bad but they have just got all the skills yesterday and they are good now. So, this example shows that stats are not related to the reality. There are many examples. For example if the account is shared with a brother then the stats again don't show any reality. If the main stats were made in the history where the game software was different and playing easier and without new functionality then again the stats have nothing to say about the now. Many people perform well when they play at hours when internet speed is good and on other hours they perform badly with a laptop. Many depend on distractions and other factors. Because i take the game mentally healthy way as any entertainment then i enjoy everything else too than winning. For example it is interesting to see i nthe Ranked golden league how funny are DDs when you just follow them by doing a "pair DDs tactics"- they start to talk funnily and try to escape you and have brainwashed belief that all DDs must always go separately to a separte cap circle. Well, that is one entertaining thing to do of many and it doesn't make any good stats and that again proves that stats have nothing to sayabout skills of golden members. This topic about stats is long and i suggest to talk it separately in my personal forum. Very often golden members come to me after a battle and complain that why i followed them or didnt go cap as they asked or whatever and typically they loose all the arguments then and then start to compare their stats to mine. They have 65% of historical rating and i have 40%. I say to them that why your 65% of historical Wows stats and good Highschool grades don't make you rank 1 in the golden league and you stay on the same rank level 9-2 like me. For that question they have nothing accountable to answer. I just suggest them then like this: maybe your historical highschool grades and Wows stats don't actually matter and are useless? Because the reality shows that they have the same golden rank than me today, not a better one, so the historical stats must be misleading people. In my opinion stats are useless and it is mentally sick to compare stats in entertainment like billiards in pubs and in computer games. Therefore if one really wants to compare skills then make 5 battles tohether i nthe golden league with all ship types like a challenge. And then compare the result and comment the battles together and do argumentation. That shows more adequately what skills one has now in the entertainment. But some kind of stats fro mthe highschool or computer games don't show any such skills. See, i told in this forum it is not possible to talk. Why then you keep giving me questions al lthe time if you know that it is not allowed here? Why do you think that i didn't got some details and why do you think that details matter? Very often people try to find a grammar mistake in the opponents text and say that he won the argumentation because the opponent made a mistake in an irrelevant detail. You say that you think that i am hired by someone but you can't prove your offtopical opinion. Well, why don't you ask from me if i am hired or not, or provide a proof. I have given clear answers to everyone here and proved my strong arguments. I didn't use emoticons or funny pictures to prove my points. all my methods were scientific or how to say. I suggest that don't adress me and don't ask questions from me and don't add offtopical opinions. Continue with your sub talk as OP started. I jsut added democratically healty ingredient for oyu here. It is like i added a small pork chunk into your meal or the prohibited word "War" into your todays music. Because all arguments have been answered then come to my own forum if you want to talk.

Looks like you say that Subs don't fit into the game. They fit and should be part of the game because i nthe reality in real world Subs exist. Also in the game they exist and other people here say that they are harmless if you read them here. If anybody can prove one day that they are too strong then there is no need to remove them but only to make them weaker. For example if at the moment a sub's torp makes ca 2'000 damage to a 100'000 HP BB and it is proved to be too big number then it is wise to lower the damage from 2000 to 1700 for example.

You are right. People don't understand and the main reason is a so called brainwash. People adopt believes that are popular without any logics or arguments. For example, have you heard that people just al ltogether don't use the word "war" is some countries and don't eat pork? And they have no good explanations for such believes. The same is in Wows that there are popular to hate something and popular compare stats and believe in stats. Stats are totally irrelevant but this is a different topic. I don't think that you want to change your believes so i suggest you to keep believing that stats matter and that Subs are bad. But it is healthy if you sometimes see different opinions/belives. For example those that WG, me and thousands of players have every day. If you want to talk about stats, subs or anything else then come to my forum and tal kthere. Why not here? Because in my forum we follow Human Rights and other reasonable rights and you can even be offtopic there and so on. In this topic you can continue to spread you opinion about subs as the topic's title says but now you got some healthy input from me into this topic. That is really healthy, believe me, mentally and other ways. Certainly you are wrong by saying that sub players are in Coop battles only. No, they are mostly in Randoms. My eyes see that and i can provide 5 consecuent Random battles games which includes Subs and show that they place in harmless bottom position in the results. Your own eyes can look and see that truth. But your mind says here something else, it says that Subs are played in Coop or something. I suggest you to believe whatever you want and let others believe their own eyes for example and to belive in arguments and the reality.

Yes, but i agree to talk about in only my own forum.

A i said all stats are irrelevant but that is an offtopic. You sohuld not care about irrelevant things. Me and others have stats that depend on many factors and not on the ship type. This is a different topic as i said and you can talk about in in my clan's forum. Even if you manage one day to prove that Sub stats show that theyare bad then good luck with that and that will be another topic. Here people say that Sub players are harmless.

You say that someone doesn't understand something but you don't provide any proof for you opinion. The same thing would be to say that "you are dumb". Such saying is useless and in your case you evaluate my knowledge on a post that doesn't talk anything about playing techniques or knowledge. You say that subs are harmless if they are played by noobs and other people said that most sub players are in majority so called noobs. In that case you and those other peopel together prove that Subs are harmless nowadays because noobs play them mostly. So, you and others here prove yourself that Subs are harmless. You say that there are tons of arguments that prove your opinion. But WG, me and thousands of subs players have seen all of the arguments already and proved that those arguments are wrong. And why do you need to believe in something that others prove tons of ways if you cannot use simple sentences to say yourself some arguments even those ones from the tons of arguments that you mention. You sound like "there are tons of opinions saying that pork and the word War are bad and therefore i blindly believe them". Well, i don't prefer to believe anything blindly, also WGand thousands of Sub players agree with me. Is it okay if we keep different opinions or does it hurt somehow if others have different opinions than you? I repeat that it does not matter which numbers one has from high school or form Wot numbers. If you can't understand that then i suggest to come to my forum and i explain why wot stats are irrelevant. You say that the tank example was originally yours. Well, i formluated it little bit differently than you but i don't claim that it is my creration. Go and declare the example to be yours and ireplied to it and the other person said that the tank example is bad but didn't explain reasonable way why. sSo it is up to you if you agree with him that your tank example is bad or not. I can create new examples if people want. So, i don't understand the point of your idea with the tank talk. You say that you have fun or troll. Well, in my opinion it is healthy if you have fun in the entertainment like billiards, tennis, Wows. I hope you enjoy the Wows entertainment not only right now here but also later in the game and won't get mental stress and won't do hate speach. Just enjoy like me, WG and thousands of sub players. Seems that you use the last popular method by saying that the person is mentally not well and therefore al lhis arguments are wrong. Such thing is popular to say when you have lost all arguments/options. One more famous way is ot report/ban the person to create appearance that the argumentation silenced with your opinion being victorious. I suggest that come and prove your opinions in my clan's forum if you want to win this argumentation. Here all your arguments have been defeated and you start to use totally irrelevant methods like calling the opposite party dumb or delusional. Me, WG and thousands of players see things very clearly with our eyes, no delusions, no false believes.

As i said before: I said before that if you call someone dumb or you laugh or you post a funny picture etc then that doesn't prove your arguments. So, it is irrelevant if you call WG, me and thousands of sub players dumb or whatever. It does not make your right and the people with your mentality anyhow smarter. If you provide clear arguments then that is the only valuable thing. Why do you think that my tank example is wrong or something? I don't see anything wrong in that and in any of my arguments. I suggest that why don't you have your opinions and others have their own different opinions and we don't call others dumb and don't violate Human Rights? Seems that you say that minorities are the loudest. I disagree. Do you see that most people loudly make a hate speach against subs or do you see that minority is loder when they sometimes add their point of view that subs are not bad? WHo is louder, the majority or minority? Obviously majority. The same goes for most topics in the world. For exmaple majority in some countries are against pork and the word "War"- do you hear there that minority is somehow louder and speaks loudly that pork is fine and the word War as well? No, you don't hear that minority is louder. So, we have proved that your belief about mjaority is wrong. You say that popular streamers have said popular opinions. Well, a person cannot get fame and popularity if he speaks not popular things. Secondly, why it matters what popular people say? POpular peopel say that pork and the word War are bad and Subs are bad. Should you start to avoid pork and Subs now because popular people say so? No, you do things that has a reasonable explanation and arguments and you don't need to be like popular people are. For example, WG, me and thousands of Subs player every day don't feel any need to be popular and they don't follow popular believes that you follow.

You say that a baby in a tank makes the tank harmless. Yes, it makes it, that is the reality. We both agree with that. Why do you think that such argument is stupid. That argument talks about reality. And the reality is that tanks are harmless. Wil lthat reality change i nthe future after children grow up and become good tankers? well, in the future maybe yes, but until then the reality is that tanks are harmless. And, it is only your opinion that tanks have nowadays only babies inside. There are good players inside tanks too but most of the time their input is irrelevant because tanks are weak. I don't watch live streams because i believe that there is no need for anything live and in real time and old tutorial Youtube videos are more appropriate. This is my opinion about streams and you may have a different opinion. So, you don't need anything Live and those live streams have 99.8% of info that is not educational and useless. Make an interview with players who watched a live stream and ask them which knowledge they got. Their answer will be empty. They won't mention that in the stream the re was sugegsted to do so and so. No, in the stream talk about donuts and money and popular slogans. That's why i don't think that streams teach anything. If you think that people learn by just watching silently then again i doupt in that and the their reports afterwards woulkd still be empty. So, i don't think that anyone should watch any streams. But if you think differently then why not go and watch, i won't. I think didn't understand your main idea about nuclear bombs. If Subs are like nuclear bombs then Subs should be in TOP 1 in all battle results. But the reality is that Subs are harmlessly in the lower bottom of the results and i doupot that they ever will dominate the TOP 3. When it happens then it will be the time to balance them little bit. But at the moment, no.

1. Yes. Your whole opinion is wrong because you try to make an illusion that something is true because majority believes it is true. 2. You ask who am i to have opinions. I answer that it does not matter who anybody is. Being a president or a cleaner does not make any opinions right. WG, me and thousands of Sub players don't have to be some special authorities from you ask " who the f... are you to tell me..". Arguments matter and peoples titles don't matter. 2+2 is 4 no matter who am i and Subs not bad because arguments prove that. I am jsut representing an enlightening opinion for the majority which is healthy in democracy. I don't ask you to agree with me becausei said that let everyone have their own opinions. But it often seems that majority forces their opinion to others. For example in some countries you get punished if you have a different opinion about a war in a country than majority has or if you eat pork then instead of letting you eat what you want they punish you. That happens if there are no democratical variance of opinions but 1 major dominant opinion. In Wows for example if you say an unpopular opinion then you get reported very often and that violates Human Rights and makes later battles those reporters to suffer. That's why it is better to have different opinions and i added such opinions here. Me, Wg, and thousands of Subs players have different opinions than you and you shouldn't ask them "whoare you?". It doesn't matter who they are or who are you. 3. I don't undestand what you mean but it is fine if we don't understand some minor examples and thoughts. Important is to understand the mai narguments and the big picture. 4. You seem to say i am not in a submarines subject? I believe i am. But i agree that i have enlightened enough and if anyone wants to continue then come to my clan's forum and talk there. That is the only thing we both agree. I hope you don't think that your arguments are somehow more right than mine because i don't write under a right topic or with a proper grammar or etc. 5. Your rare example about Subs is an offtopic and probably a game bug. Just make a bug report but most of the times all water bombs work well and make Subs harmless. 6. You say that constant sonar ping is annoying but we already spoke that many ships types have annoying things and what is annoying to someone is not to others. And i nthe war it is normal that some cannon meat just dies and cannot counter anything.

You say that you didn't understand my example with cruisers. I talked 2 times about that example and i don't believe that if i explain it even for the 3rd time then it changes your opinions. Therefore let's agree that it doesn't matter if someone didn't understand some examples. The arguments are very clear and there hasn't been anything against those. You seem to say that most Sub players are harmless because people don't nkow how to play them. Well, that argument was repeated earlier and the outcome is that it proves that Subs are harmless today. As you see we jsut repeat al lthe defeated arguments by rephrasing them. You seem to say that most Sub players have low historical Wot stats. First, that makes subs harmless and irrelevant your slogan that "subs are bad". Secondly, can you prove that those low stats players play only Subs and not other ship types? I believe those people play all ship types and Random battles show you that most players in most ship types play poorly, not only Sub players. Don't you agree? And if high rating players don't play Subs in your opinion then why Mr Gib plays and obviously many others- are they all stupid or something? Many highly educated people don't eat pork and are afraid to use word War too in some countries- does that prove that pork and some words are bad and Subs are bad? You say that my best argument is that most Sub players are not very good and therefore people have no real reason to cry about subs. Well, it is one strong argument, but the strongest argument is in my opinion: why WG, me and thousands Sub players have never ever heard any reasonable arguments for Sub haters?

Blacklisting and reporting are abused as i told earlier and therefore those things are bad. People come to cry to me often after battles and ask why i didn't answer to their tactical question in the chat and i answer that i didn't have the Human Right to asnwer to you because you yourself removed that right from me. But here again i suggest that report and block if you like and have your opinions. In my clan's forum we have written a clear rule that reporting is against Human Rights and therefore prohibited for clan members. You seem to say that most Sub players can't play well other ship types. My eyes see differently that and other issues. I have even seen in the Ranked battles Sub players who are good in al lship types, but also in Randoms. Let's agree that peoples' eyes see differently, okay? I don't support negative attitudes in entertainment games. For example, i don't support the hate speach that subs are bad or that sub players have bad skills as you say. In my opinion i nthe entertainment like billarrds/pool i nthe pub and in computer gamesl ike Wows you must enjoy and never go to report to bar tender anything and be happy when both loosing and winning and not care about which skillset others have or which historical grades you had.

Those numbers are irrelevant like other external things. Those are historical average numbers about all ship types except Subs as i understand and they are for older game versions when Subs didn't even exist and the game was many other way different. It is obvious that such numbers have nothing to do with topics like "why subs are bad" or "why 2+2 is 4". Do you think that if a person have such historical numbers bad then 2+2 is not 4? It is irrelevant what historical numbers anyone has and the only relevant things are the arguments that are represented. WG, me, and thousands of Sub players don't see anything resonable in your arguments. Provide clear arguments about the topic and don't use external offtopic things like historical numbers or English mistakes etc. Why should anyone believe you if you try to prove that Subs are bad because someone has low historical rating in all ship types? Do you agree that your whole opinion is wrong as i explained? If you don't agree then let other people stay i ntheir different opinion and you believe whatever you want? Me, WG, and thousands of players will never believe your arguments and other popular defeated arguments- let it just be so.

What i said earlier: As i said you and other people when they loose i nargumentation they try to use arguments like "your score is bad and therefore your opinions are be wrong" or "your Englis is bad and therefore you are wrong" or "your highschool grades are bad and therefore your arguments now are wrong". Well, asi explained such argumentation is not valid and not usable. If i said and proved that 2+2 is 4 and you come to tell me that i am wrong because my Wot stats are bad or because my English is bad then nobody counts your such opinion. You can't prove that 2+2 is not 4 because of my english or hair cut. I don't know how other way to explai nthat idea. WG, me, and thousands of Subs players ignore your opinions when you try to prove them with some kind of external numbers and things. I can represent pictures of 5 battles in a row where subs all performed as the bottom of the TOP results. That picture would have some value but your picture above about someones stats doesn't have any value and proves only that people who use such pictures and arguments must be brainwashed or how to call them. Also you mention about trolls. Can you define what is that? I think you believe that a troll is something who uses the word War while majority doesn't use it. And, a troll is someone who eats pork while billions are afraid to eat it and don't eat it. Is this the definition of the slang word Troll? If yes, then that slang word is just a title used by brainwashed people to silence others who havea different opinion. Isn't it?

The argoument that you can't counter some ship types was defeated earlier and you repeat it now again here. As i said peopel tend to repeat their lost arguments by rephrasing the same argument. You can go and look the answers for that countering argument. One answer asks you that if you can't counter something then why that overpowered thing is most of the times i nthe bottom of the battle results? If it is so overpowered as believed then why isn't it in TOP 3? You can't answer that question, do you? You just rephrase you belief soon and repeat the argument that says that you can't counter something. Secondly, as we said, many ship types have things that are difficult to counter. For example if a ship has spotting ability to see you beheind the rock in 12km distance then that is very difficult to defeat and such ships are usually in TOP 3 in the results. So, many ships have advantages and there are no such ship type which is always in TOP 3 with their advantages. I explained already that Subs are very slow and have not enough air and have weak torps so they are harmless. And if you think that your team can't counter subs then that is wrong again and again explained earlier. You see very well where the sonar ping comes from no matter what some Youtubers represent to you. Your team must learn some teamwork and tactics if they want to be effective against subs. But why should someone be effective to someone if the overall goal is the team victory? It is normal that in the war there are so called front line meat that just dies and cannot defend themselves and cannot counter anything. And so on. All the arguments you said have been answered earlier. You just like to repeat your opinions by rephrasing them. Well, i let you all have your opinion. But i repeat that let WG, me and thousands Sub players have their different opinion, specially when al lthe arguments support WG, me and Sub players.