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You say that i don't have any clue about a random fest that you visitedsomewhere. The answer to you is that nobody has any clue what fest youvisited and any details about it. so, it is totally normal that people don't have a clue what you talk about. but don't think that people are therefore somehow uneducated. Pork is allowed in rare situations and fests in some countries very rarely. But i repeat and you agree that most of the time it makes you sufferings from the society if you consume it. Do you understood that the reason of the pork example is to say that the current hate speach culture cultivates similar weird situation like in the pork hate countries? You prove yourself that you were arrested about things that you believe is not reasonable. So, take your example and compare it with the hate speach cultivators here who immediately report you and remove human rights from you and don't give any reasinable explanations and just silence people who don't adopt the one and allowed opinion. Again you say that i don't know something. Well, i repeat, that prove your opinion. And it does not matter what somebody knows in an offtopical things. You say offtopical wrong believes about WG. Every businessman cares about arguments that proves they may loose profit and customers. WG cares but he has never heard any arguments yet. The illusional defeated arguements i nthe haters mind are not valid. So there are no arguments and no CV/sub problem. You repeat again a defeated argument about stats. You try to say that WG, me and sub players are wrong because we have have weak stats. I explained many ways earlier that stats can't prove anything. You just try to repeat old defeated arguments by rephrasing them and hoping that they will win.

I don't need to ask anything from anyone. I have explained that it does not matter which stats or unicum title anyone has. A unicum player may be just a typical hate speach person who says that 2+2 is 5. Why should one listen such persons? Hundreds of people have come to talk to me after battles and among them has been professor, unicums and other animals. All they repeated the same defeated arguments and lost. They didn't lost becausei imagine that. No, they they lost like people here who cannot make any reasonable arguments to WG, me and sub and CV players. In a typical so called brainwashed situation peoples mind is frozen on how to say. The only thing such mind does is to repeat the one allowed shared opinion and attitude. They are like robots who al ltogether immediately report subs and cvs and talk toxic things and no arguments. They feel brain exchausyted or as you say braincells lost after they are put to a situation where the hating automode is off. You sohuld feel tired also because there is mental stress. People are afraid and ashamed like we proved earlier. They are worried to say accidentally something different than allowed. I have proved that your thoughts are not accurate and have proved my points very clearly. Science, WG, courts, Sub and CV players, and many others agree with my arguments. As i said earlier WG, sub players and me ignore you opnions which proves that your opinions are not correct. Seems like you try to ask about a detail and do it by taking out of context some aspects. Well, the You/We talk earlier was meant to illustrate that haters seem to abuse the term Us and tend to say like "we all hate subs". Do you understand that it is wrong to use the phrase "we all" there and even the We is nor correct but an illusion. Because also in some countries people may say that "we all hate pork and the word War". I suggest we go through such offtopic in my personal forum and not here. Seemsl iek you say that WG is tweaking 3 years CVs. But there is nothing to tweak in CVs and in subs and no actual problem with them. there is only an illusionary fake problem in the haters mind. In the reality people play subs and CVs and enjoy every day. There is no need to tweak and many people have agreed with me that nothing changes. Because there is no arguments/need for a change/tweaking.

But let him be and practice being a human who do argumentations? I don't see any problems in his talk but you seem to see. Go and solve together who is wrong from you. but also understand that doing the typical brainwashed hate speach without any arguments is much worse than innocent fishings and things.

I don't remember who made too many assumtion errors. But in this case you can replace the word assume with the word conclude. I believe you got the point anyway and you just try to find at least one small eroor in my logics. Very popular is to find a grammar error in opponents text and then say that everything that the opponents said was wrong because there was that grammar error.

You say again that someone is wrong but you don't provide any evidence to your belief. You say that CVs have been 3 years wrong. Me, WG and plenty of CV players every day don't see any problem but you see. Also i doupt that cruisers and BBS sees any problem of CVs. They surely repeat the one allowed opinion but in real they don't feel any harm from CVs in most battles. As you see i gave anexplanation and all my opinions have good evidence. I suggest to others the same. And i repeat the argument: why WG and me and CV players don't see a problem and have never heard any reasonable arguments? Maybe the answer is that there are no reasonable arguments andthere is only a popular hate speach?

Seems you don't understand stil lthe pork example. You visited a short time a fest where temorarily was pork alowed. What do you think would happen on the other days of the year when there is not a fest going on? Can you tell there to people how you like pork and you would eat it in public? No. Would you go now to a country where the word "war" is prohibited and use that word and desribe you honest opinion about current active wars? No, you wouldn't dare to do that just like other hunderds of millions there don't dare. Even if you are such a special example that you dare to do anything then can't you understand that most people are not so special and wouldn't dare? The same is in the Wows community with the hate speak against Subs that you also support and in a way do. Do you see that there are many people who dare to say any different opinion about the one right opinion? No, only me and some others who agreed with me dare to say but most are silent.Even in the game chat they are silent while people report them and do hate speach. I hope the pork example is more clear by now. I won't go through it again. It is a very good example and very similar to the situation here. You can provide a better example or provide other arguments. Seems like you ran off the questions. You say that you were right about something. But this is your illusion and belief what you think. I don't agree with your illusions. Also WG, me and plenty of players every day think differently. And they don't need emoticons or other methods to prove their points. We agree both that nothing changes with Subs and therefore the hate speach is useless. But i don't agree that nothing changes in the hate speach lovers. Because people change. They get enlightened. It takes time. I see a progress in haters mind forexample in this topic. I don't understand what is the porpose of you quantum physics example. Is the porpose to illustrate that me, WG and plenty of subs players every day don't understand some basics and there fore it is not possible to talk with them? Well, they don't post emoticons and don't make hate speach and provide clear arguments. Why do you think that we don't understand basics? Secondly, i believe that you are wrong about higher physics and science. In that higher area actually one don't really need to think about basics and about details. Even a simple carpenter can join talking about quantum physics, non-duality, meta-physics. This is the reality bu t tis is an offtopic and i am not sure what is your porpose with that example. Then you say again that i haven't learned something during 7k battles. I repeat that stats like 7k are irrelevant and can you provide a proof what i haven't learned yet and why anybody should at all learn much anything in entertainment? Me, WG and plenty of players don't feel that we have to learn anything and we hope that the haters would lern first time i nthe human history to make the first accountable argument. You say that you redirected your arguments to WG. Well why not to show those arguments to everyone first. It is hard to believe that theere exists anywhere any arguments.

You don't have to say clearly a sentence that "subs are OP" because it ienough if your opinions let that assume. For example ifsomeone earlier said that it is difficult to balance and counter Subs then that means that they believe that subs are OP. They don't have to use the word "OP" exactly to make it clear that they believe that subs are OP. So, why don't you dare to add an opinion about the subs that you report immediately and make hate speach against them. Are they OP like many thinks or not? If they are not OP then say it out. If you think that subs are OP like your cheater cruiser then we can return to my initial question which was asking why are you hypocritical about the Subs and cheater ships. then you agree with me that your t11 cruiser is OP. Well, why so much hassle then with that topic. You play with OP ships but you don't seem to like if other people play OP Subs. For majority peoples mind Subs are OP andinteresting that you don't wan to agree with that. I don't agree with that either andthat would be our common opinion nicely. I have already so many people agreeing with me in so many things. What a nice day, isn't it? Seems like initially earlier you thought that we need thousands of battles to conclude anything but now you think that your 3 battles are enoguh to show the real picture. Well, how can your 3 battles during 40 minutes be enough if they don't show subs at all? at the end you tal kabout stats but i already proved many times many ways that stats are useles, irrelevant andcan't prove anything.

We both agree that you opinions about trolling have no values. Right? See, we have some things that we both agree and understand the same way. One example is that your speak about trolling and other first sentences has no value. Then you don't seem to understand the pork example. Would you go to a country where majority is against pork and behave there showing your supportive opinion about pork? No. Because you will be damaged and start to suffer andpeopel start to threaten you. Because every day in TV andeverywhere people do a so called hate speach against pork. This is the reality and the porpose of the pork example is to illustrate that the same is with the Subs situation. You agree that there is lot of hate speak against sub players, peopel even report them immediately when they see them and later suffer itself too as i explained earlier. Also your post tries to title the opposite thinkers with titles like Lol and Troll and who knows what those mean. You wouldn't dare to say that you like pork in such countries because of the hostile environment which is similar to the hostile situation against Subs. and the word War is similar way prohibited and people are afraid and ashamed to use that work. That's why i think that you are ashamed and afraid to even think something different than sub haters think. Just like you would be afraid to eat pork in societies where it is under the hate speach and so on. The word brainwash and propaganda goes to illustrate that idea. You say exactly the same opinion that majority says because you are so called brainwashed. Often people are afraid and ashamed to think different thoughts than are allowed. I hope that explains you the impact of your and the hate speakers behaviour. Many are just silent and afraid to say that they like subs. But why you see so many Subs players then every day? And why are they silent? Because the environment is hostile. You cal lthem trolls and Lolls and reports imemdiately and then it appears that everyone shares one identical opinion about subs and no ther opinions. You say that there is no way to balance Subs but i provided earlier simple solutions how to balance in the future if needed. You say that CVs have also something wrong. Well, the reality is different than your popular believes: the CVs work well i nthe reality for long time. You said that i don't have knowledge and i sked can you prove your opinion and you couldn't provide the proof. Seemsl ike you suggest me to go look to somewhere to find something. Ialready explained to others that i don't see it reasonable to send people to watch live videos or read some kind of others' opinions. Why don't you say shortly your opinion yourself here. But the argumentation session is over so that i might not answer. Many people shared the same arguments with me, go talk with them. Seems like you don't provide any countable arguments and just believes that my arguments are wrong. Well, you can have your different opinions but WG, me and plenty of players everyday haven't ever heard in the human history any reasonable arguments on that topic.

Looks like you want to silence people who don't share your opinion. But why it hurts if others have different opinions than you? I asked that and many other wuestions before and nobody couldn't answer. If you ignore answer like probably you too now then you opinion is not taken into account. It is like you say that "pork is toxic" but you don't provide any proof and you seem to be upset that there exist people who eat pork. Can you explain how subs are toxic and how you and others who do the hate speach against subs are not toxic andwhat you mean by toxicity? What do you mean by End of dicussion. I believe you mean by that what i described earlier that peopel tnd to say10 times GoodBye at the end of their arguments because they think that this makes their arguments somehow more accurate and makes an illusion tha the opponent somehow agrees with your arguments or something. Hundreds of peopel have come to me and repeated the well known arguments that you al ldo and said 10 times Goodbye and then added another tex to me and i asked why do you say Goodbye in internet and why 10 times? You say that my opinions are wrong. But many here share my opinions and also WG and Sub players every day have the same opinion like me. Why do you think that they al lare wrong? I agree that they are silent because people threaten them but they don't share your opinions and don't stop playing subs.

You say that Subs are not over powered. That is nice to hear because you agree with me in that matter but i phrase it even more accurately by expressing with others so: subs are harmless. So, we agree that subs are harmless and not overpowered but many people disagree with us. I suggest you go yourself and argu with them or they go to argue with you. It is not healthy that everyone attacks 1 guru who shares the same opinions that others have too and why not to go argu with others who is right and who wrong. If you didn't say that subs are difficult to counter and so on then there are plenty of other people who dis that. It is not difficult to look some pages back and copy paste you a proof. If you say that Tier 11 ships are not OP then you are wrong. I gave example with T11 CVS that they obviously perform better than Tier 9 and Tier 10 ships. They are OP. It does not matter if you buy them for one currency or another. So, the fact is that you play cheater ship types. I didn't understand which rank you have and how many battles you have done to stay on your rank but maybe it is possible to see there that you prove that you can't get rank 1 by yolo and afk or even with an ordianry playstyle. You say that we don't need more than your images. But i believe that you are wrong. Because your images make a picture that the game has no Sub players at all. Does it sound real for you? I repeat that i see Subs in every 2nd battle. so i suggest we make more examples. I remember somebody suggested even to make 10 battles or 3 million battles to get a more believable picture. Well, there is no need for 100 but also obviously not enough from your 3. It is an additional topic but generally speaking yes, the gambler ship types make results in a big amount of luck while non-gambler ship types don't gamble alsmot at all.

Can you prove your opinion that says that i "don't even try to understand the reasons of other's opinion"? I believe you cannot prove your opinion and i don't see any truth in your opinion. Me, Wg, and plenty of Sub players just don't agree with you and have never ever in the history heard any reasonable arguments against subs. You see that people even report Subs and suffer later because of the self damage this way. Why should WG, me and sub players take such illogical people seriously? Well, al lthe arguments are well known there is no ignorance and no arrogance and no lack of emphathy. Later you say that "subs are almost impossible to balance in a classic way. ". I believe that you are wrong again and i provided a comment about that and can add other solutions. For example i suggested to lower the torpedo damage the Subs do right now or nerf any other ways if there will be i nthe future first arguments that there is a need for that. And other agreed with me sayingthat yes today subs are harmless but in the future maybe really we should relook the situation. I don't understand why you have a belief that something is impossible but i see the opposite way and provide solutions very quickly. Also i think that you predictions for future are not realistic but that is another topic. I hope you understand that it is healthy that me and others don't automatically agree with you but have different opinions. So, take it easy and don't imagine that others are arrogant or something. Just provide your opinions and don't be afraid. The hate speach doesn't damage you because you seem to be on the haters side and don't need to be afraid to say out your opinion.

I am n ot sure if your example is better than my example with pork and the word "war". In my opinion my examples are more closer to the hate speach against Subs. Can you explain how your example is better? I would change your example maybe so: all cars on the hyghway have a zymbol "Z" on them or other such popular symbol. That would typically mean that they have been somehow brainwashed and convinced that the Z-symbol and the ideology behind it is somehow good and right and they must show it to everyone and punish those who don't wear that symbol. Do you understand my pork and the word "war" examples and see how close they are to a typical hate speach in internet communities? Or not?

i believe that you are ashamed and afraid to say anything and specially anything honest that differs for mthe mainstream opinionset. Because it is like in some countries peopel are ashamed to use the word "war" or eat pork because it is a shame to do so. Looks like you say without any proof a defeated opinion that i don't know something or i don't have knowledge. Well, i have already defeated such typical opinions and i suggest you to find proof to you popular beliefs, or prove where me, WG and thousands of sub players are wrong.

Why do you title our conversation as Spamming. It is not spamming but enlightening and normal for humans. Hate speach and all other kind of silencing liekreporting creates a silence which was in this thread before my input. Do you feel that humans would benefit from the silence more than the "Spamming" here now? I believe it is not a spamming but a good start for everyone to make 3 battles in a row and let's see the answer for the 3 questions we had. Form your 3 pictures i see: 1. you support playing cheater/premium ships which have more or less more advantage over others. So, your mentality is like Sub players have- in case you believe that Subs are OP. And that proves that there is not much difference between you and Sub players. 2. Secondly, my eyes see that you use gambling ship types (Cruisers, BBs) which depend heavily on scouts. Gamblers are not so lucky in more serious leagues liek golden leagues with 5-member MMs. There their luck depends on the DDs. If a DD dies quickly then the gambler cruiser and his team looses. But non-gambler ships types don't gamble and don't depend much on others. I suggest to try standard non-gambler and non-cheater ships otherwise all you do is a gambling and the result is just a luck. But okay, this is an offtopic and you can learn about that in my personal forum. 3. You started 17:59 first battle and 18:31 the 3rd battle which you ended ca 18:40, right? So all 3 battles took ca 40 minutes. Are you sure that you didn't have any additional batltes inbetween? Because during 40 minutes it is possible to make more than 3 battles and those might have contained subs. Well, i see subs at least after every 2nd time. I wil ltry to make an example soon too maybe and maybe others would help too. 4. So, how many golden members you see? Not many right? Would be interesting to open one silver member and see how many battles have they made and not progressed forward. that would illustrate that people can stay i nthe Silver league endlessly and no yolo/afk method helps there. From your 3 examples we don't see any subs. so i suggest someone else would show their picture. Also i suggest to everyone to understand that it does not matter how you perform your 3 battles. We research here and don't compete.

It looks to me too that Vampire 2 would suit me best. https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Vampire_II Mainly because of the concealment compared to the other available premium DD. I own already ca 20k points from missions and resetted my first line recently to get 20k and i need to resett 1 more line to get the remaining amount from ca 60k. Do you have any other expences for Vampire 2? Can you put some Legendary moduls into it?

Why do you believe that very few people enjoy playing Subs. Maybe such belief is because people report subs and do hate speach against subs? It is like in some countries it is not allowed to say that you like pork and not allowed to use the word "war" and everyone are afraid therefore to say out the truth. The same can be for the Subs topic as well because every second there are 2-4 Subs that are usally silent when i nthe chat peopel start popular hate speach. I believe that every second battle has in average of 3 persons who like subs. I totally enjoy playing them and i have nver ever heard any accountable arguments against Subs. And i am not afraid to say out my opinion no matter that people try to silence me many ways. Also i enjoy playing against subs and i would enjoy to play against all naval vehicles like helicopters. In this thread many peopel agreed with me in many things and also that people would enjoy such Widler game modes. I see that the topic was dead and contained less than 1 page of opinions and now after my input we are enlightened and can start to make some constructive argumentation.

You report for fun but i explained that later the reporters and their team feel suffering because the reports removed the ability to talk with the team. So, you harm your team and yourself if you report. That's why reporting is prohibited in some clans and there is no good arguments to support it. Also it is against Human Rights and any common sense. Technically you can report anyone but then it is clear that you don't care if the game is fun for others later. As i gave an example then peopel liek you often suffer because there is a silence after their question. If you want Subs to be removed then that proves that you try to make game better for everyone. But reporting subs and any other reporting makes you and your team suffer and loose as i explained. So, there is a contradiction in your behaviour. In a way your mind thinks that you want to improve the game to everyone and in the next second you make your team suffer, silent, loose. I don't understand why you wish a bigger number than 5 in an entertainment sector for such an obvious thing that others agreed with me here and that you see every day yourself. I believe you just practice argumentation whivh is good of cause but come to my forum and clan and we train you there. In this forum my input was many ways enlightening but i don't think there is any point to continue here. I didn't see much activity in this thread before my input. so, let's say that our eyes see again a different reality in that matter as well. I add one more time that you can report Subs and do a hate speach but don't have an illusion that such behaviour changes anything or at anything better. No, subs won't go anywhere because there are no arguments to approve such act. If there were some reasonable reasons then the universe would act and remove Subs. And reporting obviously destructs and makes self damage and also worsens the game. So, i suggest to ocnsider about that reporting button and other things like colored lists. All those things are prohibited for example in some clans and for a very good reason.

If you don't like the number 5 then choose another number. Let's say 3 people make all tohether 7 battles in a row and add screenshots/replays in to a new forum topic which investigates then the 3 aspects there. I see with my own eyes every day the answers to those 3 questions after every battle. There is no need to look at the 3 million of battles. Let's take for example Tier 11 CVs which i also live very much. If you look at the some battles you see that they seemed to get mostly into TOP 5. And it is obvious that you don't need to observe 3 million battles to know that but you can be mostly sure that 3 million battles would show the same picture as your 5 battles today. Tier 11 CVs are again an offtopic but they are just an illustrative helpfu lexample. The Subs look most of the times at the bottom i nthe results and most players are in Bronze level and no honest reasons for that. Very often people tend to loose al largumentation and then start to split hairs and ask a scientific or lawful proof to everything. Other people here agreed that Subs are harmless and i see it every day and 5 battles would illustriate it as good as 3 million battles. You say that after my input the situation didn't get healthier but i think you don't believe it honestly. So, i won't copy you the proofs here. I hope you understand that it is benefitial if humans have different opinions and are not afraid to say their opinions? Therefore reporting subs and reporting in overall and hate speach and so on are all harmful for the society.

This is your opinion and let others have a different opinion and don't feel bad that others have a different opinion. Me, WG, and sub players in every second Random battle, and peoplewho agreed with me in many things here both verbally and also silently- all those have a different opinion. After my input someone dared to say even a third opinion that Subs should stay but ina different game mode. So, let people have different opinions. And let them come to discuss. If you are done then fine. Noobdy forces you to stay here. In the internet you never say Hello or Goodbye because time flows endlessly in the internet. One leaves for today the argumentation and no need to say Goodbye because already tomorrow or in am inute they are bck. Hundreds of peopel who have come to complain tome after battles and all lost argumentation like people here they often tend to say 10 times Bye and still in a second try to say something additional. I say to them like to you here a suggestion that in internet you don't do that. People like premium ships which are more or less overpowered. If those people believe that subs are also too overpowered then why they can't understand why people like overpowered ships. They themselves like premium overpowered cruisers but at the same timethey don't seem to understand that maybe others like overpowered subs? I personally don't see any overpower in Subs and i explained that subs are weak earlier and harmless but let's assume that they are OP. Why OP cruiser players complain then if they themselves also like overpowered things.

Yes you said and dpesn't matter which exact words you used. If someone says that most of the times it is sunny in Africa and rains only 1-2 times per year then that means he says that Africa is a sunny place and not rainy. Because this is the reality what you see most of the times. And if the other person says that "Africa is sunny, i agree" then they both agree about the reality. You and others agreed with me and there is no need to deny that. You can't agree that subs are harmful so there is no need to play words and phrase like "most of the times they are not harmful".

I agree with you. I like subs too and hope they will add other vehicle types soon as well. I believe that every second Random battle has subs and those players like subs as well. That makes around many players every day who likes Subs. I believe peopel are afraid to tell what they think and speak in general because of the reporting system and popular hate speach. Seems like you try to split hair and see irrelevant details and forget the big picture. He said that he agrees with me and you can see the phrase " i agree" there. Before that phrase he describes that most Subs are harmless and most means most which you can round up to "all". It is irrelevant if 1% of Subs are good and harmful. It is against common sense to remove fro mthe game a 99% harmless thing because 1% of the times it is harmful. He agreed clearly with what i said. I believe you just want to find some irrelevant details. In the real world there is no point to argue about details that have 1% of importance.

I can copy paste texts where you ca nsee that peopel agree with me. for example your own text first: You agree with me that Subs are harmless. Before my input can you see anybody i nthis thread to say anything positive about Subs or do you see only a hate speach? After my input many agreed with me and some changed their mind that subs should not be totally removed but put into a separate game mode. Even such opinion is a progress after my input. You cannot speak for others that others didn't agree with me- because you don't see into their head you should not say that they didn't agree with me. In their mind they agreed but hate speach and reporting system just makes people to be afraid to say things. I feel that you helped people here a lot by agreeing with me.

I don't understand why you try to deny that you agreed with me that subs are harmless. Many peopel agreed with me in many things and also WG and thousands daily players agree with me because common sense and arguments support my opinions. So, i don't get why you use now some kind of quotes with the word Harmless. Later you seem to contradict yourself and say that probably players are sub getting better i nthe future. Well, i answered about that probability earlier saying that let's handle future problems in the future. And i don't agree that players get much better. They just play a year and leave and newcomers replace them. Again you mention english and other irrelevant aspects which i already answered. You don't seem to understand that Human Rights and other such suggestions suggest that all people have right to drink water and so on. Also your common sense would automatically agree with those rights. One right says that humans should have a right to think and say what is on their mind. It is not reasonable/humanly to remove the right to speak. Therefore every type of banning, reporting, blocking and hate speach are not allowed. I gave an example that reporters become frustrated and feel suffering and come to me to ask why i didn't type an naswer to their question i nthe battle which made the team to loose. I answer them that why did you report people if you know that it is against Human Rights and violates the free speach act. I remember we came to that Human Rights topic because somebody was trying to silence my opinion and arguments by somehow silencing that topic here. Even some post above somebody proposed to block someone. I obviously denied and the explanation of Human Rights explain why one should not report. Well, as you see i nthis topic and elsewhere then people report even if you play a Sub. already that fact proves that reporting is a totally abused tool and against any common sense. My clan's rulebook is very simple. Come to my forum, obey to the rules, and i may accept you to my clan.

Blocking is not allowed in my rules as i mentioned before. I believe i achieved a nice result that thanks to me you came and posted to everyone here that Subs should not be removed. I remember it was you or somebody else. That is a healthy sign in such hate topic. Many agreed with me and that enlightened people. Now people became more mature and that lowers the terrorism levels in the world. Less hate less terrorism. Let's come bacj to the main topic: Should subs be removed? My answer is: defenitely no! But also many others shared with me that opinion which is nice and a good fertilizer for the real discussion.

Seems that you see that wows in not realistic. My eyes see opposite way. They see that it has ships like the reality has so it is realistic. In real life you have helicopters over the see, cannons, subs, and so on, this is the reality. You also say that many don't like Subs but that is not the truth because thousands of battles are played with subs in the MM every day. So, people play no matter what they talk. They talk popular hate speach but in reality they don't mind harmless subs and wouldn't mind helicopters either. Also, you say that it is possible to ruin a game by adding something bad in. Can you give from the gaming history such example? I don't believe that majority would stop playing because of Subs, they continue to play and choose soon another new topic for the hate speach. Do you really believe thata profitable software company would make such a mistake that makes all customers run away? I dont think that WG, me and thousands of subs players are so silly or something. Every day people play happily with subs as i see. You mentioned something about my long text and now you give an opinion that my arguments are boring. Well, we have the main arguments the same so in that case we are both boring. Can we agree that you don't adress me in this forum if you find that my arguments are boring?