Fastmotion

So you again agreed with my proofs because you didn't provide anything against them. I explained clearly that your spam images with 1000 interpretations prove that your league has lost the argumentation. You had nothing vlaid to say against it. So, we have clearly proved that your leage lost here and there is no value if you deny it. You changed a topic to ask me a question. Well, i said that you must qualify to ask questions from me but we proved that you failed the qualification round. You can pick any above spam images as an answer from upwards. And i already answered adequately for question 1 and many others above. So, let's repeat: 1. we proved that your league is wrong and there is no point to deny it. 2. try to pass qualification round and find a guru and a forum to go through the arguments. If you don't pass the qualification then the argumentation ends by any random spam image.

You say that spam images should suppouse to tell something. But nobody can explain what they should tell. People above said that those images should tell with 1000 words things and i nthat case they tell that all your league's arguments are wrong. Where isa proof that the images should tell something different?

You had 2 options: 1) admit that any upper random spam images defines all your leagues arguments to be wrong. 2) admit that your league is inadequate because spam images are inadequate. How can you not admit the point 1 if you said that an image can say thousands of words and things? It is a fact that your league posts the images that say thousands of words andthose 1000 prove that all your league's arguments are wrong and you have lost the argumentation. If you now change your mind and say that you don't approve the spam images then you have to choose the point 2) admit that your league is inadequate because spam images are inadequate. It is a very clear situation here: if you approve spam images then you have lost all argumentation because that is what a thousand word image do. And if you don't approve spam then you admit that the above spam proves to othat you have lost the argumentation because you just admitted that you don't have adequate skills and spamming is not adequate.

If you want to do any argumentations with me then you have to pass qualifications first to prove that you are able to do any argumentation.

You say that a smap image can say a thousand words. I explained the opposite: a spam images has thousands of possible interpretations to guess which makes it an inadequate tool. If you think that a spam image can prove anything with thousand ways then would you agree that all your league's arguments are wrong because one spam image aboves proves that? You said that you provided some proof or answers but the reality don't show that. Go and see how you and your league could not provide any answer to plenty of things. You say that you passed the spam question. No, you didn't. You have like 2 options in the warmup question: 1) admit that any upper random spam images defines all your leagues arguments to be wrong. 2) admit that your league is inadequate because spam images are inadequate.

So your statements have no proof as always. You are not able to answer adequately to my arguments and i have proved that many times. That is a proved fact. For example you were asked how are the spam images adequate and would you agree that 1 spam image defeats all your arguments. You didn't answer that and other question and you provided next false opinion here. something like "i didn't prove anything". Well i did indeed, you failed to answer ther arguments. Your league failed even the simplest warmup question. This is the fact and there is no value if you just deny it. Denying has no value if you dom't give a proof for it. So, nobody of your leage can qualify and therefore let's agree that don't ask any questions or explanations from me. And everything has answers already, go and read. I post again the good recipe: 1. Obtain argumentation skills. 2. Pass the warmup arguments. 3. Find a forum and guru who agrees to go through 20 arguments. 4. Realize that there is no probelm with Subs and therefore no need to suffer anymore. 5. Suffering ends.

You say that you passed my warmup exam but i proved that you failed. You could not explain how spam help the argumentation. Just agree that your league including you is inadequeate because of spamming and the warmup exam is passed. If you list your league's 20 arguments and the answer to them is a random spam image then would you consider your all arguments to be defeated? If no, then can you explain why not? If you believe that spam is an appropriate tool in argumentation then you should agree that a spam image proves that all your arguments are wrong.

So, you avoid answering how such spam images are useful and you don't answer if it is appropriate to call them spam or not. That proves that you don't pass the warmup exam. What you try to say here is that if someone posts a random picture then they disagree with me. Your opinion is wrong because spam pictures have different content and there is no database that defines what all the different images mean. Even if there were a definition for some images then it is impossible to know how different people could interpret such images. One person thinks that a spam image with an apple means that person agrees with you the other thinks that the apple symbolizes something else. That proves that your definition of the spam images is wrong if you say that images mean "Don't agree". Spam images sometimes express random emotions or make just jokes and are irrelevant and not understandable. They don't have to mean "i disagree". So, we proved that you cannot explain what it the meaning of the spam images. People don't understand such images and therefore they are irrelevant in argumentations. If you use spam in argumentation then you have lost the argumentation.

Most adequate people call spam images inappropriate and with a simple word "spam". I asked you very clearly to explain how those images are not spam and how they are useful and you again couldn't provide a valid answer. so, you failed the warmup question.

Explain how such images prove any arguments? Most of the world calls such images spam and sees them as noise and irrelevant. We cannot procede if your believes are that argumentation should include spam. So, i suggest that you obtain widely known argumentation skills and then you are ready for the warmuyp question and 20 arguments. Until that you don't qualify and nobody agrees with you do do any argumentation. So, you should not adress me and ask and feel suffer. The suffer goes away so: 1. Obtain argumentation skills. 2. Pass the warmup arguments. 3. Find a forum and guru who agrees to go through 20 arguments. 4. Realize that there is no probelm with Subs and therefore no need to suffer anymore. 5. Suffering ends.

For example that image is considered to be irrelevant spam. Any such picture cannot support any argument and just misleads and makes the picture poster inadequate. WG, me, science, Sub players, court, world, etc, they all agree that such spam images equals the loss in the argumentation. Or do you think that WG should see that image and start to remove subs? No, they won't and they won't listen any of your arguments anymore. Should sub players change their mind after seeing spam images? No, because images are irrelevant.

So, you say that your party don't spam but how do you call those spam images in this topic? I already looked and didn't see any adequate answer for any of my arguments. Also your answer No for the warmup question has to be explained first.

Can you say in short way why you don't agree with the brothers example argument? does it mean that you think that their account shows somehow reasonable stats after getting a low XP for tactical efforts and sharing account and having bad internet and other factors? Explain what those stats would prove or show? Do they prove that people get lot of experience in battles? No, because the tactical effort is not included into the stats as someone demonstrated. Does the account show how well one brother playes? no, because he playes well when laptop has a good internet. So, what useful can you see from those stats then?

So, let's look the questions ans replies. A warmup exam qualification question: You can rephrase the question to be shorter as we did earlier, like this: do you agree that the haters league spams? Yes or no. Can you show your league's valid answer to that warmup question? And the trial argument 1/20 asked what is your opinion about the brothers account example. Can you show your league's answers for that?

Can you prove where did i failed that exam? No you can't show such place. That proves again and again that your league's statements are not valid.

You didn't comment anything about the facts: the haters league is inadequate and fails even warmup arguments. So you if a murderer with bloody hands ignores questions like "did you visit the victims house yesterday 5p?" by totally being silent or answering inadequately like "today is a sunny day" then in universe such murderer is declared to be guilty. The same here, your league failed all arguments by either being silent or replying with not a valid answer. After we have proved many ways that you are in adequate then why do you provide opinions like now that WG doesn't care and so on. All those opinions have been proved to be wrong and that must be some kind of anxiety or suffering if you still want my answer to those opinions. As i proved earlier then haters suffer even on the battles when peopel don't reply to them and many other ways. And the main source of their suffer comes that WG, me, Sub players and adequate people just ignore their requests. If you want to end the suffering then you must realize that your arguments are not valid and there is no need to change anything. There is no problem with Subs. But you must pass at least simple warmup questions like "do you agree that you spam-yes or no?". After you pass such exam question then there is a hope for enlightening and that you might pass the argument 1/20 as well. At the end of 20 arguments the suffering goes away.

You opinions have no evidence but all mine has a strong proof. I can for example say that in your post here there is no example where my arguments where debunked. But i can give you here easily plentyu of examples where people don't even anser to my warmup question and have no skills to answer the argument number 1. We can copy paste peoples answers here to warmup question if you don't believe.

Well the haters league suffer and wants knowledge, isn't it? That's why you ask so many things and want to start going though those 20 defeated arguments again. Well, you didn't pass even the warmup exam where you just had to say "Yes, our haters league spams and is inadequate". Just tell so because all evidence and proof was provided. Also you couldn't be adequate even o nthe argument 1. So, there is no point to ask anything from me becuse your level is not enough yet. Pick up at least one strongest representatives from your league who passes the warmup question and 1st argument. And then i propose that we move to the adequate form. But at the moment there is not even anyone of you who could qualify for a warmup question so i don't invite to my forum either yet anyone. You don't have to feel suffering that you don't qualify. Just keep trying to qualify and one day WG, me, plenty of subs players and the world wil lsee a first valid argument from your side and invites you to a dialogue which might result what your argument wants. Till so far nobody removes anywhere any harmful non-op things and hate talk and suffering won't help.

As we saw you are not adequate to go throw even first argument. It is a simple Yes-no question. Secondly as i proved that this forum is not a proper place. It suits well for spamming and hate talk and so as we proved. But if you really want to go through 20 arguments then find people who passes my exam and is able to answer to the first argument and then let's move to a proper forum where we agree not to hate and not to spam and won't ignore questions and so, like i nthe court. Like it is done in real world.

1. It is totally possible that the topic would be closed on the next day. don't you agree that closing topings and silencing other ways is a common thing in this comunity? Therefore it is better to move to a proper forum. If we can't agree on that current point 1 here then what is the point of going here through 20 arguments? 2. Here we disagree again. I say that this topic has too many spam and you don't agree with that. do you want me to point 1 by 1 all the spam in this topic? For example i will represent unnecessary videos and pictures and stuff. Would you again disagree that those are irrelevant spam? Inthat case you don't have enough skills to do argumentation and there is no point to go throught the 20 arguments. In my forum we would agree immediately al ltogether that we don't spam. 3. We disagree even in this 3rd point. You say that your answer to the brothers example was adequate. I explained that it wasn't. There is no point to continue the dialogeu in style "yes it was, no it wasnt, yes, no, yes". don't you agree? It was a very straight YesNo question. Do you agree that the brothers account in the example would show reasonable data? Yes or no? If you ignore to say Yes or No and provide some kind of irrelevant other text then there is no point to go through the remaining 19 arguments and in life it is declared in those cases that you lost the argumentation by not answering to the question. It is like when in a court a murderer is asked that where he was yesterday 5pm and he ignores the answer by replying with irrelevant off topicl like "you know the victim was not a good person" or "you know today is a sunny day" then in life that means that he is guilty i nthe murder because he didn't answer the straight question.

I believe that this topic will be closed here because it people violate Human Rights just like they said earlier here that they ban immediatly all sub players and so on. It is like if someone eats pork in a country where it is prohibited then that eater gets "silenced" very soon. Maybe he wil lsurvive one special fest day, thats it. That's why my forum is better. Secondly, you agree that this topic has fro mthe haters league too many spam like unnecessary pictures and naming others with different words like Torlls and so on. You agree that this noise is not needed and i would remove that from my forum so we could have clear talk with no images at all. Do you agree with me on that? Secondly, if you really like to go through 20 points then i provided earlier first ones and go answer there. The first one proves that haters league don't use adequate valid argumentation methods. They just ignore questions and so on. Also it proves that stats are irrelevant. Your 2 opinions are offtopical and irrelevant and only prove what i said in the argument number 1.

So, you ignored my question as i predicted about the stats of the brothers' account. The only reply that you gave is not considerable because ot doesn't even mention the brothers from the example. Do you agree or not that you wasn't able to give any considerable answer to that question? Yes or no? If you like to answer with No then let's look into your every word you said about stats in your alst sentence and evaluate if it is a vlaid answer or not. an many of the questions peopel just ignored. For example when i asked people to explain what they mean by Subs being toxic then they didn't reply at all or gave an answer that is offtopical or other way invalid. Such arguments and questions seems to be around 20 and in life people tend to say in those casesthat your league lost those 20 aspects. I onder other hand answered everything and if you doupt then makea listing of your arguments again and let's analyze my answer to those. We already have first ones here which you start to answer. do you agree that the brothers' argument proves that stats are are irrelevant there and show nothing? Yes or no? and do you agree that you missed to answer adequately to that question? Yes or no? After that we can move to the toxicity argument and so on. There is no need to list all 20 al lat ones here. Let's start from the few ones here first and see if your argumenting skills are adequate. There is no point to go through next 18 arguments if you cannot answer to already first one.

You ask from me a question tha twhere WG agrees with me and sub players. The answer is that WG's acts/reaction shows that they have the same opinion like me. WG don't have to write a sentence "i agree with him" if it is obvious that he already acts the way that must have the same opinion. For example, i don't see any valid argument fro mthe Subs haters league and therefore i don't see any reason to change anything about Subs. and no reason obviously to remove subs. Because there are no arguments to suggest to do that. That proves that both WG and me don't see any valid arguments fro mthe haters league. Obviouslt WG sees no problem with subs just like me and subs players. That proves that there is no need to remove subs and there are no arguments against subs. WG does not have to write a sentence "i agree with him" becaue it is already obvious of his reactions. Can you understand such explanation. Or you would like to believe that WG has the same opinions like the haters league? Can you see any evidence for that? I don't. Again you use a popular technique and call the opponent with titles like delusional, troll andso on when you don't have any valid arguments left. I alreadygave an explanation to that and every aother question. The explanation is that delusional are those who act against the reality. Those who act against everyday Sub players and against WG. Those are delusional and so. Don't you agree? I believe that your argumentation skills are not good enough. For example if i ask you what good is from stats of an account that brothers share and that makes the low XP as the previous person earlier explained when the internet is unstable and hundred other factors? What those stat numbers tell you then? You just ignore that question and plenty of other questions instead of admitting like "yes, you are right, stats are irrelevant". If a person ignores such counter-questions then his whole argument is declared as defeated. and it is obvious that you ignores plenty of arguments i said and will ignore that current Stats question. It is like somebody says that 2+2 is 5 andthen i ask back that can you put 2 apples to the left and 2 to the right andthen all together and count how many you get- for many śuch question the haters league prefers to become silent. and that proves that WG, me and plenty of sub players don't see any valid opinion fro mthe haters league. If it is difficult to believe that you lost all 20 arguments here then come to my forum and let's go through them. Or, check after a year if WG has removed subs or not. Why should he remove if there is no valid arguments to suggest to do that? I think you all can answer to plenty of my arguments and questions here but i answered to almost everything. I suggest that don't ask additionaly things because you mostly repeat yourself and are offtopical and so. You can come to my forum and we go through all 20 arguments and do all experiments that we togehter started here.

With you example you prove that stats don't show much. There are many other examples and aspect why stats are irrelevant. Well ,at least good that you agreed with me that stats are irrelevant. I leave you to talk with others here. I hope you find someone totalkto. would ben ormal to have people with different opinions and something to say about your arguments. Who wants to continue any talk then you know where is a proper place for that. Can you give any evidence about any of your statements? For example you say that i don't have many arguments and they are defeated. My arguments and opinions are the same that WG and subs players hold. We have explained everything very clearly and many ways and answered almsot to every question. We don't see any of haters league arguments to be valid and let's go one by one through the all arguments agains to make you realize that. I had very clear counter question for example. I asked from people to prove that subs are OP and they couldn't and i provided explanations that proves that there is no OP. And everyone agreed because nobody had anything to comment anymore. Some said that all hate subs. Iasked the rpoof and again a silence or an answer that is not vlaid. Some said subs are toxic and couldnt explain what they mean. I explained everything what i said with even many examples. Some earlier said that they haven't said that subs are OP. I asked them then that can you say clearly finally do you believe that they are OP or not. and again the silence followed. I can make 20-point listing about my won arguments. We can put numbers from 1-20 and go through every single argument in my personal forum. HE mentioned XP which is a stat at the end ofthe day and said that such XP doesn't show any accurate picture. That means that he gave an aexample that statsare irrelevant. And that means his opinion agrees with my opinion. Additionally i provided plenty of exampled how stats can't prove anything and are mainly an offtopical mental ego feed. We can go throught that argument in my clan's forum if you disagree about such argument.

I don't think that your emoticons and adopted opinions would ever be valid and therefore WG won't change anything with CVs and other things. You talk about ignoring something. Maybe i missed to answer some of your opinions. But you must agree that others missed plenty of my counter questions and i answered 10x more than you here. Seems like you are amazed that why a clan have rules about high ethics but also have loose rules about grammar and statistics. For example, probably many religious people don't have much about education but have a high ethics. That proves that there is no need to have high standards in everything. But i already proved that stats is irrelevant and if you cant understand that then find a person who explains it. I don't explain that any more times. And grammar is a totally meaningless detail with no value and doesn't ever proove any point. Our clan has many rules and i suggested to come to learn them. This is not a right place to talk about it. Ialso i suggest to continue to make the battle experiements as somebody already did with 3 pictures. We can do it i my forum where we don't have any hate speach and any other obstacles.