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You're wrong. Radar will butcher DD. How do people miss this? Des Moines has camo value of 10,5 km. That's 600 meteres before the DD get spotted by radar. So when your Situational Awareness pops out, give yourself 2 - 3 seconds and pop radar. DD captain won't have enough time to avoid it, and you will spot him. That gives you time for rougly 3 - 4 salvoes with Des Moines to cripple it, or full duration of consumable if you will be able to knock his steering or engine out. Also, even if DD captain will just keep further away - no problems. No caps for you, no win for you. Either you push to cap and risk or you lose the game. This change is indeed very good and it will help US CA greatly. I don't care about soviet ones, so there's that. IJN and GE will also benefit from this to certain point, although they will have to count on US CA skipper to not be a drinking-from-toilet fool, and pop radar accordingly. This is a way to force DD captains to take risks, or end ineeficient. It's kinda like playing Cleveland or Des. You either learn how to move, dodge and shoot - and you will have good games, although you will sink often, or you spam HE from 17 km with minimal to no impact on the game. I'm playing CA mostly, and this change, in it's current state, pleases me very much.

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Just remember, that captain perks are there to optimise each ship to your game style. So, if you actually like vigilance, then stay with it. But in my opinion, torpedoes are a nuisance in CA, but with experience and awareness you can dodge 95% of them. Also, this skill is what I like to say "skill replacement" - it doesn't add anything to ship performance, it just covers lack of your attention (and I don't mean to insult anyone, just stating the fact how this skill work). I prefer to have something I can reasonably measure. But all in all, skills are here to "personalize" each ship

I do. I come with an attitude that when you play CA, you need every second, cause they matter. Can't tell you how many times I was saved by that 6 seconds.

Whatever floats your boat mate! Cya.

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Well, I feel you man. 203 mm guns are completely different playstyle. But on the other hand, nothing feels as good as burning full Yamato with Des Moines once in a while...

Well, I know how it works, so yeah, I can get that you value the early detection. However, I much more prefer High Alert over Vigilance, that's the point - you have 2 very good skills on tier 3 - Superintendent and High Alert. Super is obviously better at higher tiers, so that leaves High Alert. With german cruisers, you can usually take Hydro, so you already have a lot in terms of torpedo spotting. I tried full detection Hipper, but it didn't work as good as I imagined, on the other hand it's AA is pretty good. I used target aquisition mod (that one that increase visibility), since concealment is a bit too crappy for my liking to go for it.

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Shame that you stopped progressing at Nurnberg, Yorck is bad (it's so bad that I skipped it - he loses GE CA amaing AP ballistics, so it lost this nice quirk of whole line = no fun for me), but Hipper is very very good. I don't get why some people take vigilance. I find it utterly useless - you have enough time to dodge the torps in CA's, unless you are catched mid turn, not to mention, that on those tiers I'd rather pick hydro then defensive fire. Demo is pretty cool, so yeah, that's always a good choice and should increase your average dmg by 10%, more or less. But remember to actually switch to HE when the need arises.

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Hydro = still crap. Radar = OP, will get nerfed.

Even if that's true, that was before "Dropsiq era AD2016", so I didn't keep score. It's obvious that I'm the #1 in Syrian Imigrants, so any rumble you had pre-Dropsiq doesn't count. Yeah, we're dead serious playing with Azell on Tirpitz, and having comp consisting of 3 ARP Myokos, Atlanta, Atago and Kutuzov That one with 2 BB, 4 CA's and a CV indeed is. And if we didn't make a grave tactical mistake in first battle we played with this comp it would indeed end in rape, as it ended in second game. But, I hope, no one is saying you play badly or whatever. I keep the score of us playing vs every good team, and you require a lot of concentration from us, which is great. Playing against Crysantos is very funny for me! So, keep it up and hope we meet again soon! Well, I just hope that you say the same about your gameplay, cause the way some Atagos were driving was making me cringe a bit! So, I hope we can fight again soon!

btw. current standings is 4:3 for OMNI. But we got that win against 5 Atagos + Kutuzov + Shokaku comp. Nice games there guys. And pape loosing to 2/2/2 Sho with 3/2/1 Sho... Priceless.

Ha, Then you would know you were still playing serious comps back then! The date was 24.02 Objection overruled, cased closed, check mate etc. btw. we still have this 2:2 issue to resolve, not mentioning social monies and stuff. Hope to see you soon on the battlefield!

OBJECTION! We did it first Proof! http://www.twitch.tv/papedipupi/v/50062071 case closed.

They're not. Every 155mm and below in the game has higher average dmg then any counterpart with 203 mm guns. 203 mm guns are just badly scaled and designed in this game. That why I was supporting AFT nerf.

Yes and no. We can surely have a chat and share feelings about whether CA perform their role or not. I tend to play each class, BB, DD, CA and CV, and I also try to reach at least tier VIII with every class (so I know strenght and weaknessess of every class). But, trading opinions is one thing, and discussing a problem is other thing, and the latter needs you to have more then basic knowledge of the problem. My games with Marblehead, Phoenix and Murmańsk shows, that CA can, and in fact will, provide escort and screening at those tiers with no problem. BB's are less scared of torps, there are a lot of CV's, so air is filled with planes, DD's are usually aggressive and forced to take risks, CA's can DPS down wounded targets fast enough to have a chance of survival even against BB. So, all in all, tier V are quite healthy and balanced. So, I didn't encounter the problems you mentioned with around 200 - 300 games I played on that tiers, or even more if you count tier VI and my german CA grind. The problems you mentioned happen a lot on tiers you don't have, for the reasons you can't know, since you don't play on those tiers. So, when I joined this discussion and read your initial comment I thought you play on tier IX and X. But then I checked which ships you play.

It's not your stats, it's the fact you lack any CA (or BB in that matter) that is above tier VII. I'm astonished you see problems with screening on tier V and VI, where CA captains are overly aggressive and tend to be on front. Yeah, some die very fast, but most of them are doing more or less exactly what you ask for. At least, that's my observations when I play Arkansas Beta or Murmańsk/Marblehead. The real issue begins at tier VIII when DD get 10 km+ torps and BB spike up 406 mm guns and CA's go down with 203 mm guns. So, while we can have a theoretical chat about the game, you simply lack "empiric" experience of the issues you present. So, although we can "talk", we can't hardly "discuss" the problems. I hope you get what I'm trying to tell you

I can't wait for UK cruisers. I'm so pissed off that soviet CA's are released before them. I wish for at least premium tier V - VI UK CA (Exeter, Belfast, Devonshire etc.) and I would buy it instantly.

Pretty close Not exactly there, but pretty close.