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This topic is so much fun Can we derail it totally now, or do we have to wait?

I hated St Louis. Slooooow, huuuuge, and first priority target. Armour is ok, but he burns really often, is easy to hit with AP ammo in superstructures. Much prefered nimble and underdog Kohlberg But I'm weird

Well, there are few exceptions. Bogatyr, although clearly not the best at tier V - it's pretty ok at tier V. You got guns, you got RoF, with 130 mm guns you got range from AFT - it's ok. St Louis was also ok before AFT nerf. The same goes at higher tiers. Usually it's pretty much related to range - the longer the range, the better you can fill your support niche when at bottom tier. Kohlberg unfortunately suffers pretty much from lack of range, and it's it drawback at tier III already.

not exactly. What you wrote is: first sentence claims tier III and IV are mostly bad, then comes "and", which implies that not also they are bad, but you are worthless in +2 MM. I strongly disagree with first part, I somewhat agree with second, with few ships that can do fairly well at +2 tiers (Myoko, Hipper, Amagi, Benson). Did we clarify what you meant?

My point is: with two tier disadvantage, every ship would be considered bad, new player or not, low tier or high tier. Tier III and IV are no exceptions. Kawachi vs Kongo or Texas would also end with Kawachi sinking pretty fast, not to mention the fact it might not fire a single salvoe due to low range.

Phoenix is not decent. It's straight batshit OP. It's the best tier IV ship with BFT and AFT nerf. Kuma was the best before, but now? Phoenix all the way. Kohlberg is decent. It's nothing great, nothing really special, but it's certainly not the worst ship in the game. Reload is very good, which provides you reliable fire chance. AP are weak, but can do decent damage when hitting superstructures - just be sure to use HE and set 2 fires before you switch to AP. You got good mobility, low profile, decent armour. I prefer Kohlberg much more then slow, sluggish and huge St. Louis. Well, Baltimore has repair party ability, and range upgrade. My Baltimore stats don't reflect that, since I grinded her in the worst meta available at the beginning of OBT. Any1 remembers the bugged Iowa armour? Fun times. Well, Phoenix vs Nurnberg - it's pretty bad. However, Pensacola vs Roon? Or Kuma vs New Mexico and Mogami vs Montana? In both cases you are at big disadvantage, but it's doable.

Actually, apart from few notable examples, CA past tier V are still very good and reliable. Myoko and Pensa are very good. Hipper is very nice, Atago is a beast, Roon is very good, Ibuki is decent, Baltimore is mediocre. Tier X CA are very good ships. Des is the king of DPS, Zao is very dangerous opponent, and Hindenburg lands somewhere in the middle, being a good sniper (although relying on opponent showing broadside) and a decent brawler. On low tiers it's easy to carry in CA. On high tier a well played CA can have enormous impact on the game. Current meta favours CA's as their AA made them very difficult targets for CV's, DD are keeping BB's at distance, so you can brawl with other CA and burn BB's from "safe" distance. Low tier games are there for a reason. Yes, it's easier to carry game with a cruiser up to tier V, but it's not a BB vs CA issue. It's good players vs bad player issue. It's easier to carry game in a fast shooting vessel at low tier due to constant and reliable damage you do. The higher you go, the more skilled players you meet, the harder it gets to carry a game. You hit tier VIII which is the hardest for CA's, then tier IX which is okay-ish, and then tier X when you somewhat go back to tier V ability to carry. At tier X BB's are scared of DD's and scared of CV's - they will not push you unless they are 100% sure there is no DD there. It takes a very skilled player in a BB to push for win at high tier. 90% of BB players tend to hold back and just shoot and wait until situation clarifies itself - which usually is too late and/or they are too battered from fires and BB hits to do their job. So, actually, it's almost totally contrary to your opinion. It was pretty bad before radar addition, but with radar available and hydro re-adjusted - it's actually a good meta for CA's. Which also shows - CA numbers are pretty good.

Kohlberg is pretty decent. I don't know how can people complain about crapwith that RoF, with that accuracy, with decent armour and nice speed. Sure, it's not Bogatyr, which obviously was the best cruiser of all times, but it's ok. The only thing that is pretty bad in Kohlberg is the range and the arc on long range shots. The worst ship in the game would be Chester as far as cruisers go, with New Orleans following closely. Kuma, Phoenix, Wyoming, Isokaze, Bogatyr, St. Louis, Tenryu, Clemson, Svietlana - I think that they are mostly very very good vessels. The players at that tiers are just bad in 90% since they are mostly learning their stuff.

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Met scrappy and his division of death. Pretty fun game, though lost. We had a brief eye to eye contact with ezymodo (I think it was ezymodo?) who was driving his North Carolina in true yankee fashion good game and pretty fun. Also met TeaCupYuri in 7 vs 7 game late at night. I was in Hindenburg, he was driving Taiho/Hakuryu (not sure which). Unfortunately, just when I was getting warmed up, two kills up my belt, having Tea in sight, enemy Hindenburg rushing to defend... I got disconnected. The small things that make me rage so hard

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Z tym bywa różnie. Niektóre łożyska są zapchane okruchami od herbatników, w innych przypadkach obsługi wież cierpią na niestrawność po spożyciu znacznej ilości cynaderek w cieście. Nie ma prostego wytłumaczenia.

HMS Herbata kocha, HMS Herbata rozumie.

Gib it to me already! gib gib gib!

What was the biggest problems at previous rankeds? Yeah, DD's. What will murder DD's or force them out of caps? CV's and radar. CV's aren't guaranteed, but if Indianapolis gets radar - it will be my CA of choice for fast reaching rank 1. If I would play rankeds ever again (it saddens me, that I actually might since I grow short on those damage party flags...) I would definitely pick Indianapolis or Blyskawica/Kiev for carrying games.

Usually, one of my divison mates say something like this before the game starts: "Hmm, it seems, that cap A will be a death trap, we should go B and C". And then Dropsiq says: "Cap A it is then! No risk, no fun!". Surprisingly, it seems to work in most cases, although there are a legendary fails from time to time. Like when we sailed in 3 Arkansas Beta without support, only to get obliterated by 1 Isokaze

soooo. Atlanta. Why not Schors, Myoko, or... Indianapolis? Small teams, use radar well and you gain an advantage in an instant. There is no place for Atlanta in ranked.

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Boring game! Spent whole time fending off planes, spotting Yamato and dueling with shima and gearing. I've met FTD with some teammates, and it was much more interesting game Pretty close one too!

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