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Myślę, że 3 razy zdążysz go wygrindować zanim go usuną z drzewka. Just sayin'

Fire chance is one thing. But I wouldn't even compare those HE. Splash damage is huge on IJN, also their shells rarely break on armour as GE does. Hindenburg, being a nice cruiser, is out of place now, with Moskwa being much better AP sniper then Hindi, and Zao being much better HE sniper. German shells are lighter, small splash radius - overall HE is much much weaker. And it shows - I struggle to do more then 100k on Hinden, it's pretty easy to do more then 120k in Zao. However: This is completely wrong and inaccurate. Yes, GE CA's have their flaws, but they're sturdy, tanky, accurate and have much better AA then IJN ones. They're totally worth the grind and pretty dangerous opponents when well driven. And they provide much more interesting gameplay then utter boredom of Zao.

I think this is one of the best advices that were given here. I always regarded BB's as tanks. I tend to look at WoWs as a MMO with various classes fulfilling their roles. BB's being tanks with occasional heavy hit, DD's being like rogues, CV's like mage's with insane bursts from range and CA's being DoT casters/brawlers. I know it's not 100% accurate, and game is of course different. But if you think about it for a second, you can find a lot of similarities.

You're my man Toby. I mean, 66 shots fired. That's around 7 full broadsides. 11 hits? That's less then 2 shells in target for each full broadside. I think here lies the problem. And if it's true that encounter was pretty close range one - we have a winner! Well, I'm semi decent, and I don't walk away with 200k from pure HE spam. Hell, I don't walk with 100k from pure HE spam. But, lookie, I walk with pure 100k from full AP spam BB's! I don't even have to switch to HE when shooting DD's cause overpens are doing so much damage to poor DD's.

Ha, this beats me. And there I was, sailing my Montana, imploding cruisers left and right, only to find out that this was all RNG! And I was thinking that facerolling my keyboard resembled some skill. Shame on me.

Widzisz. Ja New Orleansa farmiłem jak BB królowały wszem i wobec, a Izumo był mordercą krążowników, Iowa miała zbugowany pancerz, a Mogami był nie do zatopienia. Teraz sytuacja się trochę zmieniła i New Orleans nie jest aż taki zły, co nie zmienia faktu, że nie wyróżnia się niczym. Ot, taki ładny krążownik na którym będziesz miał więcej słabych bitew niż tych dobrych.

I can't wait for the whole line I plan go skip all the way to Leander, and then, after few weeks, come back to tiers II - V to drive Danae's I wonder if Emerald will have the experimental turret added when you will research second hull.

But she doesn't have torps, and that's a huge drawback for her

Yes, I get the idea of offensive smoke, I got Kutuzov But in it's nature, smoke is a defensive tool - it conceals your ship and prevents you to be fired upon. As for BB - I don't think that will be the case. It's not like every cruiser will now be a RN one. And the more cruisers in game, the happier BB's are. Not to mention, that keeping DD's in check also helps BB's. Did Kutuzov broke tier VIII meta? I think he is hardly noted. I understand the differences between Kutuzov and RN cruisers, but I think the impact will be similar. I wouldn't worry about BB's, I'm more concerned about DD's.

Poprawiłem.

W sumie przypomniałeś mi, że powinienem Flisowskiego sobie ogarnąć - tego którego czytałem wciąż mają moi rodzice, a wypadałoby mieć swoją kopię Ale tak, nie da się ukryć, że moje zamiłowanie do US CA pochodzi właśnie z tego źródła. USS San Francisco, USS Salt Lake City, USS Boise, USS Montpelier i jego historia spisana przez Fahey'a - fajne uczucie móc w jakiś sposób pokierować tymi okrętami, nawet w tak arcade'owej grze jak WoWs. New Orleans, cóż, nie zachwyca, ale później jest trochę lepiej. Ale to już w zasadzie końcówka grindu, także zaciskaj zęby

I'm not that sure Ictogan. Remember that they have 2 very usefull tools in radar and smoke, but they can only choose one. Smoke is for survivability, radar is for offensive. It might be, that with such good camo, smoke will not be as essential as ability to flush DD's with radar. And I think a lot of peps will choose radar, I will definitely try it myself. And we need to remember few things - adding a branch of CL will again shift the meta - I expect BB players to appear even in more bigger numbers. I also expect DD numbers to drop a bit. Which will mean, that numbers of smoke per game will propably remain the same as it is now. Furthermore, heavy cruisers like Des Moines, Baltimore and Mockba will have a juicy targets - Des Moines defending cap against a Minotaur is a rather one - sided fight.

Dodany USS Baltimore.

My thought exactly. I would love to see them strong and competitive ships, but this might be too much.

Well, don't get me wrong, Murmansk is definitely nr 1. That's for sure. But the differences are not that huge to reflect scoring top and bottom on almost the same ship.

And it all boils down to answering the question earlier in this topic. Is the rudder shift and AP penetration differences so in favour of Murmansk, that he's on top and Omaha is on bottom? For me - no.

The tactical possibilities just blow my mind. Flint is pretty damn strong ship. But those cruisers will just stomp him. You use your camo to get close to unsuspecting CA. You launch one stack of torps to disrupt him while being undetected. Then you choose favorable angle of approach, and unleash AP salvoes, full broadside, with 4 sec reload to this poor dude. He then proceeds to react to you, only to get forced to dodge your torps. Then you launch second stack while smoking yourself if the dude is not already munched. You can either disengage then and come back again with the same combo seconds later, since, you know, less then 9 km camo? Or you can take radar and go make DD skippers launch 10 new topics about "Radar is OP". You go into cap, fight DD's, smoke yourself, use hydro + vigilance for torpedo protection, use your team spot for chewing through enemy battleships. You can use islands to lob tons of shells while being invulnerable, and if craphit the fan - guess what - smoke + torps. Division with Des Moines. Go into DD + CA hunting. Use smoke while Des uses radar = profit. And that's only few things you can do with this kinds of ships. It will be ultimate brawler. Zao's will be so screwed.

Yeah. They will dodge, but BB fire. We're talking about freakin gunboats fights which resolve on pretty close quarters.

So I guess the same goes for Murmansk right? There's no difference in durability between them. And yet, one is top, and second is bottom

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Yeah, I fear that too. Damn, I want them to be good, but from the scarce info I got, they look extremely powerfull for me. The possibilities are immense. I mean, do you imagine playing against three Edinburghs and some backup in teambattles? Who the hell need a DD when you have a cruiser with DD - like camo, torps, smoke and tons of 152 mm shells?

I don't think this will be the case. What I do think, that RN will be "offensive" cruisers. Going into choke points, guns blazing, laying cheeky smoke covers, burning stuff left and right, nukeing broadsiding cruisers, torping like there's no tommorow. And all this while being freakin ninjas. I expect them to be hard to learn, but at the same time being excellent ships, absolutely top tier. I was worrying WG will make them pretty vanilla, but I was 100% wrong. And this is great news for me, that's why I'm so exited

Nie znam człowieka. I nie chce żadnych bab Tylko psy zabierają człowiekowi :<

Your remark was that why play RN CL's when you can play NO. NO got 14 sec reload, 9 km radar range, with 9,4 (more or less, 200 meters I think) max camo and guns with pretty bad balistics. Why not play a cruiser that has 8 sec reload, same radar, same balistics on that range, torpedoes, same or better AA, hydro, and propably, camo value below 9 km? NO is nothing if we will get good ol' Edin the way I think we will. NO will be food for her. So, that 0.12" more belt is meaningless. Yeah, you're right. Lets compare "propable" Ediburgh to her. - bad shells balistics - worse range - no Defensive Fire + much better camo I would presume it will have same camo on almost all ships. They all are similar vessels with pretty much same size. My guess is it will be bordering 9 km range when maxed. + propably better RoF (i'm not sure about this, but it might be so) + better smoke, and option for radar if you like = diversity + propably better mobility + better torpedo broadside with better or same range Now. Is that good or bad? I mean, if a ship is as good as Kutuzov, and in the same time presents different playstyle it's great! Kutuzov is good, some dudes say it's OP. So, we have a ship that will have similar capabilities in regular tech tree. And that's just load of crap. NO will never do DD hunt job as well as stealthy Edin with fast reload guns. Kutuzov will not spot those DD, and Mogami lacks turret traverse, range and durability, same as NO. Above cruisers fail at their DD hunting role terribly. But in RN we might get a dedicated tool for just that, with additional capabilities as to fight other ships. And, on top of it all, we also get a line that will play differently from all we had till now. Awesome.

Teraz jeszcze czacha musi wrzucić coś o BB, a grymlin coś o DD i możemy zakładać osobne subforum: "NESI rządzi NESI radzi"