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Ok, zedytowałem trochę topic - streamów raczej nie będzie, natomiast od czasu do czasu wrzucę filmik, który mimo wszystko łatwiej mi ogarnąć Witamy po przerwie. A, i konkursik od razu jest w planach, także szykujcie skill.

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Można można, tylko nie kumam dlaczego akurat Nowy Sącz Po prostu zastanawia mnie czasami czy to nie syndrom sztokholmski. Ale, ja uwielbiam Pensacolę, więc nikt tu nie jest bez winy. Co do HE - zauważ że tam mało pocisków wchodziło (kłania się moduł na AA zamiast na celność) z każdej salwy. I do tego okręty zazwyczaj były już poobijane. I dzięki za łapkę i wsparcie A tak, to na pewno. Im lepszym graczem jesteś, im więcej doświadczenia masz, tym lepiej będą Ci pasowały US krążki, z tym się zgadzam. W teorii. W praktyce dostawałem cytadele od frontu od Tirpitza, od Bismarcka jeszcze nie, ale od Tirpitza parę razy były. To co się dzieje z pestką która trafi w okręt jest tajemnicą. Ale zasadniczo możemy przyjąć, że działa poniżej 400mm raczej nie założą cytadeli.

I can think of only one solution - take smoke from Kutuzov and give him a scout plane instead. Now you would be able to have 2 (two!) planes in air, spamming zero damage shells from 22 km. That's fun right? Not too harsh for BB players I hope.

Zawsze mnie bawią takie komentarze KaraMon, nie żebym się czepiał - absolutnie nie. Ale na każdej innej VIII idzie Ci lepiej Nie kumam tej fascynacji NO kiedy ewidentnie biją go jego wszyscy konkurenci

@KaraMon - to nie ma znaczenia wiesz, plunging i tak nie działa niestety. Okazyjnie, bardzo sporadycznie, wiec imho - nie ma sensu.

iChase to iChase, nie darzę go zbytnim zaufaniem. Powiem Ci tak, zauważam bardzo dużą różnicę między posiadaniem tego modułu i jego brakiem.

Tutaj dałem normalne kolorki zdaje się. I tak, dzisiaj obejrzałem to dokładnie, cytadela weszła od pestki mniej więcej pod kominem Ale i tak sobie muszę porageować

Filmik dodany, wprowadzają się jeszcze zmiany w dźwięku i obrazie, ale można już sobie obejrzeć co i jak:

It is not a problem. But it's not a solution for BB vs CA/CL fight. Neither is "HE spam". There are trillion ways to negate "HE spam" while leaving RN cruisers with smoke for gameplay. Tweaking range, ballistics, damage, fire chance. All of it. Stealth torping will not resolve any problem for RN CL's, and will leave them totally at the mercy of a BB. And that would be ok, if the DD and CV would be the same for a BB. But they decided to cancel whole concept so far developed as to almost ready to put it on test server, and come with new one on what basis? Really. What is the reason for such radical change? Supertesters feedback? The same supertesters that go and buff fighters for CV's so fighter decks could be even less skill dependent - thus catering the needs of really low inteligence players? As you can see, I'm pretty salty. I was anticipating those cruisers for almost a year now, and I was super hyped for them when I heard the news at first. Perfect balance of consumables. You either pick radar for pure offense, or smoke for mix of offense and defense. You work with your teammates. You don't have defensive fire, so you need to watch out for CV's etc. And now I hear, that it's all canceled, the proposed changes are all complete crap(AP focus? Can't even imagine how limiting on a gameplay this change would be), and they will propably be delayed

I mean, what the hell man. Stealth torping? In a freakin cruiser? That's your solution to fight BB in a handicapped Minotaur-wannabe- Gearing-but-can't-since-I'm-size-of-a-Amagi? You do realize cruisers have freaking air spot range so big, that scout/fighter plane spots CA's before we even enter torpedo range? I mean like, that's the most lolworthy solution I've seen here. If there is one CA line that should stealth torp, it's IJN, since, you know, that was their thing. Good guns, godlike torps. I mean. Ok. Let's assume, for a second, that stealth firing HE from smoke is bad, invisishooting is bad. Allright. But "stealth torping" is fine? Let's reduce torpedo soup by adding stealth torping cruisers. Well, that's just great! I don't get it, I really don't. They didn't even put in on public test server, they just assumed that they won't work, and so, they do a massive rehaul in freakin 3 days?! I'm all for balanced ships. I don't know, give smoke like 3 second activation time, so you need to be almost stationary - running to set it. Give it 60s duration with 10s activation time. Give it larger proximity spot. How is it even possible, to rework whole line, so advanced in development, and not adjusting the already implemented consumables to make it balanced. Oh, and one more thing. So I guess, that Kutuzov absolutely dominates tier VIII games right? It has smoke, it has good camo, it has torps, it has good RoF and godlike ballistics, not to mention amazing AP? Well, let's take smoke from Kutuzov, and give him speed boost. Let's nerf it's mediocre survivability, nerf it's ballistics, buff torps a bit. There! Royal Navy cruisers it is!

Uwaga uwaga, nadciąga filmik

Also, top 5% players:

Well, no. Atlanta is crap. It's the worst of all tier VII cruisers, with such strong contestants as Yorck and Pensacola. It performs well in only niche - high rank ranked games due to infested DD meta, and small teams. It sucks big time in random. You can perform decently in it from time to time, but she is very very far from being fine. Myoko, Pensacola, Schors and Indianapolis devastate her with no sweat. Budionny will wreck her. Every BB will wreck her. Kiev and Blyska will wreck her. Which brings us to RN cruisers. So, we nerf DD's, then we add a cruiser line with radar and great RoF, to you know, nerf DD's even more. Cause they will not have smoke, so everyone will pack radar. So, instead of creating a unique line, cause it would be unique, they will create another vanilla CL line, which will underperform in it's niche compared to other lines. It will not spam HE from mid long range as good as IJN and especially RU cruisers, it will lose every close range brawl against a US and GE CA. They had a great idea, and they decided to botch it completely. Now, arguments that wah wah but there would be infinity smoke everywhere - no, it would not. After initial flood of them, how many would be per team, with 5 cruiser lines? One? And they're pretty hard counter for DD's. so I estimate it would be 4 up to 5 ships with smoke. Also, with radar on US and RU cruisers, it will be easy to counter them. They're not nimble, so spotted in smoke, would explode in seconds when shotted at by BB's. They can't insta accelerate like DD's. This argument is moot. Meta wouldn't change at all. So this is pure [edited], and apart from catering to BB whining, I can't really find a reasonable argument for this change. And it makes me sad, cause I was super hyped for that kind of gameplay, as it would require agressive high risk high reward gamestyle. Now we will receive subpar cruisers, that will either be a worse version of RU ones, or worse (if it's even possible) version of US ones. Sad.

A bit, got me confused with:

That's the point. RN with smoke would be nowhere near semi to long range spammers. Minotaur shooting above 12 km would be waiting ages - it completely miss the point. They would be excellent brawlers, great support ship. Without smoke, they will just be another Atlantas. But bigger. Better armoured, so would be getting worse hits from BB's. All in all - crap ships. Smoke, they way they were tested now, is essential to making them work. And although I like Atlanta, I would take Pensacola every freakin day in normal random. Atlanta sucks big time against tier VIII, and she perform a bit better only because DD skippers farm german BB skippers. Yup. And you can say whatever you like about how Atlanta is a great ship. But it's not. Also, Flint has Defensive Fire, which prevents him from airstrikes, not available to RN though. As for meta - it's not smoke that ruins games. It's lack of CV that does so.

Unless they make it completely different, RN won't work without smoke. They're squishy against a BB's, propably the most vulnerable cruisers to BB fire. They're big, their guns don't pack a lot of punch, they're not mobile enough to dodge, their ballistics are bad. So, with smoke, they will work. Without smoke, they will be just a punching bags. So, if they plan on removing smoke - either a complete overhaul of the whole line, or we will have ourselves a nr 1. worst line in WoWs, with US CA's being godlike compared to RN.

Mam nadzieję że dym zostanie. Inaczej będzie słabo. Może być krótszy, np. jak w Kutuzovie, ale bez dymu to będą worki do klepania. Musisz nimi podchodzić blisko, a dym dawał możliwość przeżycia takiego starcia, ewentualnie ucieczki z kiepskiej sytuacji. Bez dymu, bez rozbicia, te okręty będą bezwartościowe. Po co grać wielkim Minotaurem z cytadelą, jak możesz grać Khabarovskiem? Myślę jednak, że to jest plotka. Widziałem je w grze, miały dym. Czy były OP? Raczej nie. Pure z nami pograł chwilę, oczywiście nic nie mógł powiedzieć, natomiast dostał w Fiji 1 pocisk od Colorado - cytadela za pół HP, chwilę poźniej drugi od innego BBka i znowu cytadela. Bez dymu to nie będzie sensu tymi okrętami grać, o ile nie dostaną kosmicznych buffów w innych miejscach.

Walić greysharka, ale wyspy - magnesy maaaan. znam to. Człowiek sobie płynie, ucieka przed baartem, a tu suddenly wyspa... Everyday struggle.

Oooo nie. Jest kosa. Kosa jest za te Minotarły.

Yeah, as for AA I checked only tier X. I propably won't keep Neptune in port (I might, depends on how she plays), and on tier VIII 2 TB squads from Shokaku are not so deadly. Like I said, if you will want to perform in RN CL's, you will have to cooperate with team - at least in some aspects. And that's fine in my books. Like I said, I played alongside few of them, and Fiji combined with Indianapolis is pretty deadly combo.

I must say, I'm not exactly convinced about those citadels. Now, hear me out: this is "armour viewer" not "citadel viewer". It only shows the armour section of the ship, not how the modules and hit boxes are placed. I'm sure most of them are behind armour, but it might be that armour belt is one thing, and actuall citadel is second thing. I'm not 100% sure of course, since we can't see exact hit box placement, but I think it might be a possibility. Second of all, remember that showing broadside is always an invitation to get obliterated, size of the citadel is not actuall an issue here, it's how you position yourself. It's a flaw, obviously, but I think we shouldn't be too worried about it. As for AA. From the leaked stats - AA guns got godlike DPS (near Des Moines level). And it's perfect - it is capable of defending against a weak strike, but will suffer from a well executed airstrike while not raping planes like mad. It's perfectly balanced for CV's, since we already have 4 lines of CA with Defensive Fire, as well as one DD line. I think it's enough. What makes me sooo hyped about those CL's (apart from my love of RN design), is that those vessels will perform at maximum capacity when you execute teamplay behaviour. Sticking to radar CA to go into caps, looming near Defensive Fire sporting ship for AA protection. I can't wait to get my paws on them!

Radzieckie mam już na Czapajewie, więc może dojdę mi się uda je zrobić. Problem polega na tym, że niedługo brytole, więc tego. No. Nie ma dla mnie innych okrętów

Des Moines dodany, czyli...

Well, I had a pleasure to play alongside few of them recently, and I can only say this: they will be very very strong opponents, but they're also pretty demanding. They'll not perform in hands of weak and average players.