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BLASPHEMY! How could you even propose that?! It is common knowledge, that BB's are very underpowered and need some serious buffs to be able to fight back those overpowered Mogamis, Baltimores and Budionnys. More seriously - before GE BB's we had 35% of playerbase consisting of BB players, after GE BB I think we hitted above 40%. Why do you want to upset more then 40% of you customers?

Well I do: Yesterday half of my gaming session, 2 games in div, rest was solo. And game from right now. Unfortunately, I got DC but I think I could go well above 200k in this game:Furthermore, cruisers are crapnow anyway, with BB's roaming around uncontested, and it was 100% known that RN CL's would not break BB's dominance.

Nie rozkminiałem tego szczerze mówiąc. Coś podobnego mi wychodzi, ale: 1. BFT albo BoS, ale ja bym raczej chyba brał BoS. Najwyżej drugiego kapitana pod AA bym robił. 2. Expert Marksman, wiadomo. 3. Superintendent, wiadomo. 4. No i tu jest zagwozdka. Ja osobiście mam ostatnio niechęć do podpałki, więc na 1 kapitanie, tym z BoS wziałbym Survi Expert, a na drugim z BFT wziałbym AFT albo manual AA 5. Camo, wiadomo. 6. Czujność, wiadomo

Nie miałem takiego problemu na Fiji, Leandrze i Edinie. A z torped korzystam cały czas.

Trust me bruh, nie potrzebujesz obrotu.

What about it? Range and ballistics, that's what bothers you? Yeah, but Kutuzov doesn't have heal, as well he's torpedoes are not as good. As is it's camo. It's kinda a different cruiser, pretty strong, but different.

Yes, I support this design. From my experience with differen't MMO's there were classes and champions that were absolutely monstrous when played correctly, but were utter thrash when played by a newbie. I think, and this is my opinion after relatively few games, so it might change, that RN cruisers are pretty well designed. I would change few things, most of all, I would give them better protection and lower the effectiveness of Damage Control Party. That would ease on Joe Potato, while still not influencing sophisticated gameplay of the line. I will not go into commenting about BB's, cause I'm already marked as nr 1 BB hater, and there is price on my head. We had a dude that was talking about "making ship justice" before. He's nick was VonPletz, and he hated GE cruisers with all his heart, cause in his eyes WG didn't "do justice" to their superior design. What he didn't understand is that this is a game, and there is no need for doing "justice" to anything, there is only the need for balance. Bad trajectory is a way to ensure RN CL's will be used on close range, when they can be shot at, even in smoke. Therefore, their gigantic advantage doesn't break the game balance. It's kinda obvious.

I think it's not about if I, personally, enjoy them. I think the real issue here is should we make lines similar in skill demanding to perform at certain levels, or not? Cause, in my opinion, RN cruisers I played: Leander, Fiji and Edinbourgh, are a very capable ships. Much better then some of their counterparts. But to take that potential they need to be learned and that take some time and effort. And then there's Zao, that requires no skil whatsoever to perform, but is plan and bland in terms of gameplay, both as a opponent and as a driver. Which philosophy of development should we choose?

I don't know mate. I agree with those who says it kinda stinks that they are tougher to learn. I agree with the notion that this is a casual game, so the ships should be fairly easy to play. But in all honesty, I WANT them to be hard as hell, so I can enjoy breaking them. Also, I love the depth of their gameplay. There is so much tricks you can do, so much "plays" you can make. I just started exploring those bastards, and I loved every bit of it. Not to mention how great they look. I think that Edinbourgh is totally on par with Atago and Kutuzov when it comes to raw power it brings into battlefield. Fiji just rotflstomp every other tier VII cruiser and doesn't look back. Leander might be tricky, but hell, 10 km camo without captain on tier VI? And HP regen? What's not to like? Although, I admit, I was looking for something challenging to get my grips with, and here comes the RN, just as I wanted. Now I know this is selfish right. But it kinds of remind me of guys buying a Ferrari and complainign it's hard to drive at 300 km/h. Potential is huge, but learning process might be too much. So, I can see clear advantages, clear areas of expertise one can exploit to win game. DPS is just ridiculous. Yes, there are some things I would change. Lower Minotaur reload speed in favour of better ballistics. Make them a bit more durable while nerfing their HP regen. Maybe buff AP a bit in terms of raw damage per shell. And there I come here. And nobody didn't even tried to learn a line that is totally different, that offers totally different possibilities. I would gladly play Danae (I'm from Poland, and during WW II we were offered 2 Danae's while helping RN fight, Dragon and Conrad - only cruisers in polish navy), and lower tiers, but I will wait until most of the players will move to higher tiers, so I will have more balanced MM in terms of class and ships. Maybe I will experience the horror of lower RN ships. And, to sum it up, most of the users complaining in this thread are forum users that I already know, or know that they lurk and post here. Didn't particularly notice someone totally new.

You kinda did. But let's say I don't really care. More important, you have few games in Kirov, and you have the same few games in Emerald. It's the same situation in your other low tier cruisers. And you do similar damage and similar win ratios in them as well. So, I would guess, that every low tier cruiser you played is garbage and crap, and you didn't pay attention to LEARN them. But, somehow, this situation changes in this discusion, cause...? They're not bigoted. They're different. Cause for me, the higher tiers are much more important then low tiers. I don't play on low tiers cause it's too easy. It's not a challenge. People are learning on low tiers, and me stomping them and sinking 6 ships alone will not help. I tend to go there for one or two battles a week. And again, I showed you clear argument, why it is more important, from my perspective and a lot of other players, that high tiers are good. Cause they will be played not only for grinding, but also for other purpose. You completely miss the fact, that after you end grinding Phoenix, there is no point to coming back to it unless it's super fun or you like that particular ship. Same with Caledon, Danae etc. I will just pass your explanation about "**** off" with silence.

Nah mate. You can froth and keep asking me to ride myself tonight as much as you want. But it doesn't change a single statement I made. First of all, you built your statements on very few games, yet they're very definite. And yeah, you indeed do terrible in them. But you also do terrible in Kirov. Is Kirov the same garbage as Emerald? Second - you generalise on five low tiers that whole line is garbage, whereas I argue, that low tiers are much more less important then higher tiers, which in fact are a ships worth keeping in port for further activities, when you ended grinding. Third - I provided a proof, not very strong, as I also admited it's not representative of what this line might be, that those ships can and will perform very well when driven by a capable player. Fourth, I didn't insult you even once, and you keep telling me to **** off because I disagree with you? So keep you unskilled observations to yourself and git gud m8? That's how we should discuss things? Or should I join the bandwagon and bash WG for making a line that BB players would find unplayable cause you have to use brains? Yes, I understand that. But let's say, that I personally, estimate that I can go with each ship around 80k average up to tier IX when RoF gets better. So the average player would do what, 40 - 50k? That's still decent server average for those ships, similar to other. Now I understand that not every player is a hardcore cruiser player and therefore it might be hard/frustrating for him to play those. I'd also be happy if lower tiers were more enjoyable. But it's hardly the reason to whine so much, it's rather place for constructive discussion. Remember how Karlsruhe was so bad? It was changed. Remember how Yorck was terribad and Konigsberg and Nurnberg engines were exploding left and right? That was changed. So instead of such pathetic whine that whole line is garbage, when it isn't, it seems very strong, let's make it worth to read? And indeed, maybe provide advices?

I have no intention in ******* off, as well as I don't have any intention of going below tier VI for next two weeks. And again, why should I care that Danae which I would grind in what, 5 games is bad? I much more care about tiers VI+ that will be used on rankeds, team battles, clan wars, and tier X battles. Why should I go and say, DAMN THOSE WG BASTARDS! they totally borked a ship that I play 4 times and never play again. LuLz Logic.

As you can see, those are 3 screens from 3 consecutive games in three different cruisers. All of them with very decent results. Obviously, it's not representative, but the amount of totally unproven whine that occured here, is just ridiculous. And screw tiers 3, 4, 5. All the fun is higher, sealclubbing is on those tiers. Not to mention, that battling cruisers with the same cruisers on tiers 3 and 4 is hardly worth any interest when we're talking about balance/strenght of certain class. So, instead of whining like a poor sod, you might try to actually progress and try the fun stuff for yourself? From what I heard, yeah, lower tiers seem meh/bad, but who cares? It's like 20 games and you're getting Leander already. Thank you, but they're nothing spectacular. But note the consistency - three games with three similar ships, all of them above 80k damage. RN is a hard line, that is sure. But thank god it is hard. Why do we have to have more Zao's? Zao gameplay is so flat and boring it makes me puke, despite it being a very strong CA. So we have a very good line of CL's, but it actually need's experience, knowledge and, more important, it can be played in different ways. I'm sick of this whining how subpar they're cause omg they don't have HE?! Edinburgh is just unfair with 9 km camo. And with 64.8 sec torpedo reload. I don't know, for me, in my opinion, I'm very surprised how great they turned out, when I was super worried about them.

Ooooooor, you can try and learn how to play them, instead of mindlessly bashing how bad they are? ​

Ciężko powiedzieć na razie. Ja testuje teraz 2 buildy i 3ci przygotowuje: 1: Podstawy Żywotności + Przeładowanie Torped + NAdzorca + Ekspert Przeżywalności + Camo (docelowo + Czujność) 2: Zmiana na IV perku na AFT 3. Zmiana na IV perku na Manual AA

Krótka recenzja jest taka: Krążowniki są bardzo bardzo mocne, albo przynajmniej sprawiają takie wrażenie (mało bitew jak na razie, może 15?). Natomiast zdecydowanie, jest to linia dla doświadczonych kapitanów na krążkach. BBczki nie są takie groźne, najgorsze są krążowniki z 203 mm działami. W ogóle krążowniki są Twoim nr 1 enemy. Na filmik musicie poczekać trochę, raz że sam się chcę pobawić trochę, natomiast zbieram też materiały. Mam parę dobrych bitewek na Edinie i Leandrze, na Fiji mam obrzydliwą grę z czachą, gdzie wbiliśmy się na Capa B w 2 Fiji i smokowalismy i hydrowalismy sie nawzajem. A do tego, wplynely w nasz dym Mogami i Ibuki, więc po prostu był dymkowy blobek z 4 okretami w srodku

It's as disgusting as cold tea. With sugar.

I played only tier VI+, so what you say might be true on lower tiers. Although vs Gneiseneau, Warspite, Scharnhorst, Tirpitz - you can deal substantial damage on them even when they angle. Right now, there was only one situation when I couldn't deal anything worth mentioning - when I was being charged by Tirpitz, on pretty close range - 7 km, so my trajectory was too flat to lob above frontal turrets into superstructures.

Only AP is not an issue. I think some supertester already mentioned it. Even when ship is angled, you just have to aim much higher then you normally would, and you still get damage and penetrations. And that's what's totally OP on those ships. You can make them totally dependent on your skill, in terms of dealing damage.

You weren't colonised. YET Although, I must admit that one citadel you gave me, spilled some tea on my captain bridge. Outrageous. Shame you weren't in second battle. We just entered cap B and dominated everything that came around 15 km from us, while sitting in smoke/behind islands. I officially declare double RN CL's OP and disgusting.

Nie tylko Twój, ale nope, ja nie raportowałem

Można. Expert Loader jest ok, ale raczej bardziej się przydaje na wyższych tierach, gdzie camo pozwala robić zasadzki. Generalnie, na niższych tierach osłona AA lepiej trochę działa niż na VIII+, bo tam jeszcze CVki się pojawiają. Ryujo, Saipany - dopiero od VIII jest susza. Myoko ma kiepskie obracanie, fakt. Ale, Myoko ma 10 lufek Dobra salwa z Myoko to -7000 u gościa albo i lepiej

Its very strange. Am I the only one here that thinks those ships will be massively OP in right hand? I mean, everybody just freaks out cause Flamu bounced some shots from Kagero, when he was aiming poorly - hitting stern on side, not on deck/structures? And yet nobody lose their minds when he freakin devastate Yamato for 4k each 4 seconds?

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