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Just check this sentence: BB's are the only class here that has their role described ONLY by soaking damage and potential damage. And yet, they not only do that, but also compete or dominate top charts when it come to damage dealing, kill ratio, planes destroyed etc. They are just one man army. This has to change.

Yes, sometimes it is. If you consistently buffed one class so much it trumps every other hands down for 1.5 year, and also mostly nerfed other classess, then yes, curbing a bit of that power curve is a good solution. But, instead we got more buffs, this time for Iowa and Montana. As for the population, you completely miss the point. Currently, 41%+ percent of all players pick BB's for battle. And it was before Bismarck event. Before GE BB's were introduced, it was 31 - 33%. So, despite having only 3 lines out of 16 it's now close to almost 50% - do we have 8 lines of BB's? What you were thinking is the surge of certain class when it's introduced. Unfortunately, unless it's a BB class, the surge is obvious on tiers 1 - 3, mediocre on tiers 4 - 5 and absolute zero above that. RN cruisers, FR cruisers - they didn't change the LoLIMaBBMasterRrace. They're not. It will take considerable time to burn a BB that is not a complete retard. Especially in higher tiers with captain skills and modules. And no, if you play aggressive, but not stupid, DD will not end you that quick. If you're god damn dumb, and rush forward with your flanks exposed, then yeah, but it is irrelevant. But if you push and your flanks are more or less covered, you will not take that much torpedo damage, as it will be mostly from your front arc, which is easy to dodge. Check this quick vid. I deleted my crap talking. This is your "no time at all" burning of a BB. It's Montana vs FdG, Moskwa, Baltimore, Ognievoi, and CV bombs (TB's were mostly taken out by my mate). And please tell me how only 2 of those cruisers would burn me in "no time at all". And I have a lot of those vids. Well then, how many games did you play in CV's above tier V? And how many above tier VIII? You see, loooooong time ago, AA of many ships, especially cruisers was massively buffed. It was then balanced by very fast planes. Unfortunately, later plane speed was nerfed, as well as their movement "optimalised" which meant they just make full circles when you reverse them etc. I see a lot of reasons to change it, especially the range of AA. But aw hell no. [edited]CV's. Let's now enable all ships to spot aircraft up to range of their AA. So Neptune can now [edited]your planes without lube from 8 km. Effectively creating 16km diameter circle of "screw you CV". Same with Kutuzov, Des Moines, Minotaur and similar long range AA ships. Add to that all the crap that stuck to CV's after the "great year for CV's" and there is plenty of reasons to change AA. USN CV bombs are not in the game, and I believe we will see them "balanced" for average Joe needs. Ergo, totally crap. But we will see. If the US CV's will get them and they will be at least as nice as on Enterprise, then from useless crap, US CV's will be a little less useless. You see, I don't want them nerfed to the point of making them useless. I want them nerfed and changed so that they will fulfill their role, and have obvious flaws and weakness that you can exploit. However, you summed it perfectly, propably not knowingly - WG is scared shitless at nerfing the BB class, cause the explosion of autism and complete retardedness on forums would be a event to remember.

Oh no problem. It's still better then hurr durr limit BB to 3 per side. You completely miss the point. Yes, cruiser can "evade" BB (still much dependent on BB dispersion and all BB need is one good salvo. Not to mention the camo builds on BB's make kiting 1 v 1 so much more dangerous). But you just waste 7 - 8 minutes (depending on situation) on killing one BB. Soloing Grosser equals dealing 200+k damage to it. Average cruiser player deals like a 1/4 of this damage per freakin game. Hell, average cruiser player doesn't even deal enough damage to sink 1 BB per game. And, kiting is hardly a winning tactic. Is more of a survival tactic, since you give away map and caps to enemy team. I don't know about you, but I think cruiser players like to win some game from time to time. With CV's non existant, we can largely dismiss this class. Oh, but they are making a comeback though. From 3% for tiers VIII - X to 4%. And mostly Taiho and Haku. And they mostly focus on DD's, since they aren't really countering BB's. Cause, you know, massive AA buffs rendered attacking anything less then a complete braindead retard pretty much waste of time? But yeah, they counter BB hard. So are DD's man. They love BB's! That's why Shimakaze is so devastating on high tiers. Ooooh, you're right, she isn't. Cause, apparently, hitting 1 or 2 torpedoes for 2 minutes is clearly not enough to sink a BB. It's the same cause as a CV pretty much. You can whoop some retarded [edited]from time to time, but hardly a counter. However, when you enter a game in a BB, you are countering everything. Which is [edited]. The moment I enter a game in a BB and I see 3 BB + 6 CA + 3 DD game I know I will dominate it. And I usually do. Especially when I'm top tier. However, since BB players are mostly completely devoid of any semblance of skill, I can see how it can be hard for them. After all, they still ask for nerfing fires. Just sayin'. What you're proposing, is boiling essentialy to one thing: With capping games to 3 BB's it will be even more forgiving for a BB player, since huge amount of damage that BB gets is coming from other BB's (AP ammo). You lessen the punishment a BB will suffer when it made a mistake, while all the same offering more targets. Cruisers are not fighting in vacum, they fight other cruisers, dodge torpedoes, support DD's. This means they can't just watch one BB all the time. It will lessen the pressure on cruisers, but it will at the same time make a BB even more powerfull and tough then she is now. It will be just a bit easier to fight cruiser vs cruiser or cruiser vs DD.

I mean, how stupid is this notion that a solution to curb BB's is to cap them at 3 per game. So, you take most powerfull ship in the game, and limit the ONLY possible other counter to it, which is second BB. So, essentially, you're giving a BB player more cruisers they can explode and further limit any potential damage they can receive. This is so fuckin' stupid it just hurts. Basically, from turbo stronk ships, you make them kings of everything always. No, BB need a nerf, and a huge one. And are yall prepared for 50% BB population when RN hits home?

We had a pretty nice run. I thought with the hyper overbuffing of BB and going for 50% of server population playing them, finally stopped those threads to appear. it seems I was wrong.

I don't know man, it seems that we just go in circles here. I just wanted to point out, that since "tryhard" player's doesn't have a choice in the matter, and HAVE to play randoms, it's just wrong to say: screw it, I gonna grind my AA build Kagero without smoke on randoms, and I will play it as a gunboat - because that's fun for me and screw everyone else. You have the coop mode for that. Rewards are lower for coop then for randoms? Good. It's an incentive for you to try to engage with game, learn more about it, and ultimately grow better in it. But, if you don't have much time, and don't really care about getting better, then go and play coop. Because right now, you have the possibility to fulfill your casual fun on coops, and "tryhards" are left with randoms flooded with "LoL I bought Atago cause she's the bestest IJN cruiser I ever played (I don't have any other cruiser and only tier III BB's)" and every variation of it. When WG will introduce any competitve, always available, mode for WoWs, then feel free to play randoms anyway you like. Until then, try to actually work with other players who tries their best, instead of actively or passively undermining their active engagement in the game. If you don't, then just take the verbal abuse as a man (not that I encourage it):

I agree. And I don't want to sound like I'm dismayed by players who treat this game more casually. I treated WoT casually and was proud member of "noobs" playerbase. I just liked the game and tanks, didn't really want to watch tutorials and read forums to get better. But in WoT you have strongholds and Clan Wars for those players who like the challenge. In WoWs however, you basically have two "casual" modes: randoms and coop. Neglecting the "unicum" playerbase is a grave mistake from WG.

You miss my point. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. That your "right" to have "fun" is as important as my "right" to have "fun". Yet, we don't have this kind of option available for us. So, we're stuck with casual players, and tbh it's mostly ok. I mean, you don't get super unicum fighting vs super unicum teams all the time. But I don't declare that worse/below average players should be freakin banned for this game do I? I respect your right to be casual, and to treat this game anyway you want. But, where is the border that you don't respect my time and effort to get better at this game? Is buying and playing Tirpitz when you have only tier III ships ok? I would say it's not. At this point, there is no way you could learned even the basics of the game, and therefore you will be a burden for me. That's why I see Tirpitz players with 10k averages on 50 - 100 battles. However, the most "fault" is here on WG side. Lack of any "ladder" or "skill ceiling" mode makes me disliking this game week after week. Cause I like to win, I like to be able to interact with my team on more sophisticated levels then "all A" or "B and C". But, in order to be able to win with 11 players who just bought their first tier VIII premium after 40 games, I'm mostly left with two options: play "cancer" divisions: BB + radar/AA CA + DD and their variations, or to hope that enemy team is even worse then mine. Whatever you say about rankeds, above rank V you can feel the skill level increases a lot. But, again, WG left me and many more players, better and worse, but still trying to be competitive, to play randoms. And believe me, being unable to work with your team, being unable to depend on your teammates, is most frustrating stuff ever.

Now, you see, this is all cool and nice, but it's not that simple. Why is your "fun" more important then "fun" of the person who tries to win, plays for the objective and is competetively engaged in whole game? Yeah, it isn't. So while yeah, games are made to have fun, and you can play it every way you want, it's the publisher duty to ensure that both group of players can have their fun. Usually, it's decided with anything like "ranked" or "clan wars" games. Unfortunately, WoWs lack both of them. Rankeds are much to rare, Team Battles are unavailable, and Clan Wars are nowhere to be seen. This leaves more competitive players in randoms, which is very, very frustrating. So yeah, your secondary Fiji build might be fun for you, but is propably more of a burden for part of your team that tries to win. To make it short. This kind of approach: is actually wrong and should be discouraged. Go play single player games if you approach team game with this attitude. And, unfortunately, playerbase has devolved rapidly for the last few month. Last Bismarck event just brought the absolutely worst of the players I've ever seen. Randoms should be the dominium of casual players, that really just want to have fun, winning is secondary objective for them. Rankeds going all the time, with Clan Wars/Team Battles also available to play should be the dominium of more "hardcore" players. But now, unicum players just have to withstand the horde of really bad players "just having fun". I mean, if I had a Harley Davidson with monstrous engine, I wouldn't rev it up every freakin morning at 7 AM just to hear the roar for my pleasure. Screw my neighbours, it's my fun and I want to hear bazilion decibels rapeing my ears every morning. So, please do remember it's a team based game.

1. "Długa Lanca" jest akurat kiepską bronią w World of Warships. Rzecz rozbija się o zasięg wykrywania tej torpedy, który akurat jest dość duży. To powoduje, że twoje obrażenia są w większości zrobione fartem, lub przeciwnik jest mało spostrzegawczy/mało mądry. Ale, by all means, możesz robić sobie tą linię. Tylko nie spodziewaj się wodotrysków, bo każda inna linia DD robi więcej. 2. Zaufaj mi, zostaw je sobie na później. To są okręty które wymagają sporej wiedzy. Które miejsca na mapie są dobre, a które kończą się zgonem. Który radar ma jaki zasięg i czas trwania, który możesz wystać a który nie. Kiedy rzucić dym i w nim postać, a kiedy uciekać. Jak złapać deskę z opuszczonymi portkami. Jest sporo wiedzy której nie posiadasz, a te okręty nie bardzo pozwalają na próby i błędy. Zrób co najmniej 2, 3 pełne linie zanim do nich wsiądziesz na poważnie. 3. Sowieckie CA są dość noob friendly, więc spokojnie możesz sobie na nich cisnąć. Tam jest tylko jeden myk, mianowicie musisz resetować kapitana na Moskwę, bo na niej nie chcesz mieć HEAPow. Lub, robić dedykowanego kapitana dla każdego krążka jeżeli je zostawiasz w porcie. Od 6 do 9 chcesz mieć HEAPy, na Moskwie nie. 4. Niemieckie BBczki są jak najbardziej ok. Zabawa gwarantowana. 5. Ilość samolotów nie ma znaczenia. Możesz robić US CV jak najbardziej, ale nie na tzw. Fighter Deckach. Jesteś tylko obciążeniem dla swojej drużyny i masz dramatycznie małe zdolności ofensywne. Graj 1/1/1 do Rangera, możesz na Lexie próbować 1/1/1 lub 0/1/3. Na Essexie graj 1/1/3 i na Midwayu możesz 2/1/2 lub 1/1/3. Podlatujesz torpedowcami, wsadzasz torpy z zalaniem. Czekasz aż gość naprawi, mija 15 sekund, nadlatujesz bombowcami i walisz za 20k z 2 - 3 pożarami. Tak się gra US CV. Nawet jeżeli zdominujesz powietrze, to wystarczy że gość włoży 1 dobry atak i już zrobił 2x tyle co Ty. Nie graj tym ścierwem, bo to jest pułapka dla noobów. Albo naucz się grać na bomberach i torpedowcach, albo nie graj w ogóle. Nikt, poza kompletnymi botami na BBczkach, nie chce mieć w drużynie fighter decka. Nikt.

Jest źle, bo kupiłem na steamie w wyprzedaży Dis 2 i mi się podoba :<

And that's why DM is one of the worst cruisers right now. Cause ye, it's a CA counter... in super BB heavy meta. If you have decent team, that will smoke you and tank damage for you, then yeah, you can have good games. But since it's happening super rare you need to play it with division, preferably with good smoke DD.

Streama niet i powiem szczerze, że nie bardzo mi się chce. Dopóki nie będzie rankedów albo RN BBczków to raczej nie będzie telewizji. A jak będzie to może z czegoś innego a nie ze statków. Poziom w tej grze spadł na mordę tak mocno, że mi się nie chce tego pokazywać, bo i po co. Ile można pokazywać umysłowe niedoskrobanki tarlące się na 1 capie. A granie non stop w 3 osobowej dywizji DD + CA z radarem + BB z AA to mi sie nie chce. Rozwój tej gry idzie zupełnie nie w tym kierunku w którym powinien. Więc, cieszę się że ghaszyk teraz się bawi w streamowanie, więc gorąco zapraszam do oglądania tegoż wspaniałego gracza. A schizus, dla Ciebie Pan Blobs.

Raczej nie. Ja przewiduję, że streamowanie będzie dopiero w czwartek.

A i jeszcze. Jeśli chodzi o krążowniki i kapitanów. To popełniłem swego czasu sporo dość rozbudowanego materiału. Idealne do przysypiania i kiedy się gotuje obiadek: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTiekfXpnTq6sKXg03UVLpA

Woooah. Tak kulturalnie?! I bez XYZ jest OP i musi dostać nerfa?! Skandal. Parę słów wstępu. To że wbiłeś na forum to już połowa sukcesu. Niestety, jeżeli chcesz się trochę podszkolić, to czeka Cię spoooooooro czytania. Ale jeżeli chcesz podbić trochę umiejętności i przestać być chłopcem do bicia, to niestety innej drogi nie ma: 1. CVki aka lotniskowce: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/59501-hello-its-me-sky-cancer/ trochę przedawniony, ale da Ci obraz co trzeba robić, jak trzeba robić i czego należy unikać. Od razu mówię, że pokłady US CV "myśliwsko bombowe" to żal, rozpacz, pułapka dla nowicjuszy i ogólnie nigdy więcej tym nie graj randomów. 2. Krażki: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/56487-jak-zostac-krolem-krazownikow-dropsowy-poradnik-dla-kapitanow-ca/ Też trochę przedawnione i głównie dotyczy US CA, aaaale, podstawowe myki, problemy i przewagi z tego wyciągniesz. W razie pytań o krążowniki, to śmiało pisz do mnie na priv, bankowo odpiszę. 3. DDczki: Tu jest problem, bo nie ma takiego kompletnego poradnika co i jak jeśli chodzi o niszczyciele. Aaale, powinno być sporo materiału na YT. 4. BBczki: Też nic ciekawego nie ma, ale zasadniczo wystarczy załadowanie pocisków przeciwpancernych, a reszta sama się robi. Też w razie pytań służę radą. Do tego dochodzą kapitanowie i moduły. 1. "Dlaczego Ekspert w wyburzaniu to bezużyteczne gówno" http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/65863-jak-to-w-koncu-jest-z-tym-podpalaniem/ Dodatkowo parę przydatnego info odnośnie mechaniki pożarów. Temat o tyle przestarzały. że podpałka dawała kiedyś 3%, teraz jest jeszcze bardziej beznadziejna i daje 2%. 2. HEAPy/IFHE http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/72521-perk-ifhe-zapalnik-bezwladnosciowy-dla-pociskow-ob-czy-ma-sens/ Temat na czasie i bardzo istotny, polecam zwrócić uwagę, szczególnie jeśli lubisz krążowniki. Zwróć szczególną uwagę na tabelkę penetracji z google docs. Co prawda dla niemieckich krążków ona się trochę zmieniła, ale tam i tak nie ma sensu brać HEAPów, bo nic więcej ponad to co masz nie przebijesz. 3. Kapitanowie: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/72010-44-pomysly-na-kapitana-wedlug-smoka-propozycje-do-wersji-06/ Aktualny temat jednego z lepszych graczy. Nie wiem na ile to da Ci obraz tego co potrzebujesz, ale powinno wyjaśnić parę kwestii. Co do rozwijania linii. Proponuję iść następująco. W kwestii BBczków to ciśniesz równolegle US i GE. US przerywasz na VI tierze, niemieckie ciśniesz dalej. Dlaczego? Bo na US będziesz musiał wyżej już coś potrafić. A na niemiaszkach masz "idoto" odporne połączenie tego co najlepsze w pancerniczkach, a styl gry jest dość agresywny. Jeśli chodzi o krążowniczki, to polecam najpierw pocisnąć sobie IJN aaaaż do samej X. Linia łatwa, przyjemna i pozwoli Ci się nauczyć w miarę bezstresowo co i jak jeśli chodzi o krążowniczki. Później zrób sobie niemiaszków, to Ci dojdzie trochę rotowania amunicji, trochę brawlowania się, a później to możesz sobie już wybrać. Jeżeli nie będziesz się czuł pewnie na krążowniczkach, to odradzam co prawda brytoli. To baaaardzo mocna linia, ale wymagająca i specyficzna, więc polecam się na nią zapisać jak już w krążowniczki będziesz umiał. Przy czym od razu polecam przeskoczyć free expem tiery IV i V. Generalnie niskie brytole są baaaardzo trudne i raczej słabe, natomiast od Leandra zaczyna się rzeź niewiniątek. Jeśli chodzi deseczki to proponuję RU do Chabarowska, a US jeśli chodzi o rzucanie torped. CVki to obojętnie. To specyficzny gameplay do którego się trzeba przyzwyczaić. Problem z CV jest taki, że nie da się zagrać sobie 5 - 10 gier na DD, CA i BB, a później wsiąść na 2 gry do CV i rejpić. CV wymaga odrobinę poświęcenia, więc jak chcesz grać CV, to nastaw się na co najmniej godzinkę czy dwie latania tylko CV. I zasadniczo polecam jednak IJN, bo US w zasadzie zaczynają się robić znośne na IX tierze. A i tak wymagają pewnej wiedzy.

Nah. Teraz co prawda kusi Dis 2, ale za 40 ojro to na razie się wstrzymam. Ale gierka fajna. 2 przejścia, 1 na high chaos, drugi na low chaos i jakoś poszło.

Chciałem tylko powiedzieć, że zakończyłem granie w Dishonored, więc czas streamowania się zbliża.

Actually, it's exactly opposite Minotaur is deadly against BB's and, if you play it really good, against DD. CA's are it's counter overall. But, I ain't here to argue.

I just gonna ask, if it's so broken, why on your list it's the second worse one?

Ja teraz praktycznie wbijam na 3 - 4 gry pobawić się Enterprisem i to tyle. Nie wiem. W każdej bitwie mam festiwal który team jest bardziej uwsteczniony. Tarło to teraz standard. Maass pudłujący 8 na 8 torped z 1 km w Fletchera. Bismarck piszący mi że CVki są OP a BBczki UP i ze BBczki powinny karcic wszystko. Haku nie ogarniający podstawowych perków kapitańskich. Niech już dają te RN BBczki, to przynajmniej będzie coś do roboty. btw. Makarov w obecnej formie jest meh.

Trochę mi już szczerze mówiąc to obrzydło. Ja rozumiem, można być casualem. Można. Nie trzeba wiedzieć ile obrażeń zadają bomby z Midwaya, ile przeładowania ma Gearing a ile ma Yugumo. Ale no do jasnej cholery, jakieś podstawy trzeba jednak by mieć jak już masz Haku.

Zagrałem sobie Minotaurem. Trafiłem na bitwę z lotniskiem. W naszym teamie Haku, w przeciwnym Midway. Po jakichś 10 minutach nasz Haku pisze: - report enemy CV - he has 7 planes W tym momencie mi odeszła ochota na dalsze granie.

Yeah man, that's exactly what I want. Finally, I can remove all classes from the game and just leave cruisers. And feel that I'm so important on a forum of niche video game. Achievement of my life. And if you could be more specific? Who disagrees with me, and with what part of what I said specifically. If we're discussing advanced carrier balancing do we consider a player who didn't graduated from Bogue/Zuiho an experienced player? I can hear what he has to say, but his opinion weights much less. And no one who played CV, or indeed isn't your random Average Joe disagrees with what I generally say - CV's need to be more powerfull and more present in game. Because this AP bomb discussion boils to this much really. And to calm your worries. I'm not some elitist bastard randomly bashing weaker players. I'm always against this kind of attitude, and I quite regularly speak/write against calling people noobs, potatos, tomatos etc. etc. as I find this disrespectfull. However, I do like my game, and in my opinion, heeding to the opinion of players who always will be below average is a grave mistake. It simplifies the game to the point of boredom, it brakes the balance between the classes, as BB's are doing now, and we ultimately destroy the game. It is my opinion that the balance should be worked out based on feedback from large group of players who are in the upper part of the skill ladder. And I think that below average players, the casual players, they should have a say of what they want to see in the game, which content should be added. I mean, do you fit your Ferrari based on opinion of a dude who only drives Smart?

Jak mi przejdzie to będzie wiadomo.