BruderRaziel

But statwise I am quite bad on these ships, while they are some of the most powerful ones I own, so I want to get games in and improve. You telling me I cant do that because subs exist now? Thats pretty sad, I spent quite a bit of coal on both of these.

So you want to give me exclusive hindsight advice? That makes no sense to me, if I had asked about any other class there would be a plethora of general advice and guidance one could give, but since we are talking about this new class that can (once again) break all the rules regular ships have to follow, it seems that people have difficulties giving any advice for countering them. "give me specific examples and if that's too complicated for you" How about you change your attitude a little bit? I never intended this thread to be an outlet for everyone frustrated with subs, I just asked how to fight them and this is your response? I have tried all the tools the game gives me, but so far it has been just a frustrating experience at best to deal with subs, so please stop trying to depict me as some buffoon who does not know what bow and aft means. Thus I must kindly refuse your offer, you honestly dont sound like you really want to help at all. And just to be clear, if I recalled every example of clunky, unfun sub interaction for which I have opened this thread, I would be here for hours describing every little detail of the specific match and situation, I dont think thats reasonable just to get some general advice. Still, maybe I can be a little more specific: I want to know how to position and drive my ship to either have the advantage when I have to entgage a sub or to outright avoid getting owned by one if I cant have the advantage. This has proven extremely difficult thanks to the capabilities of a sub to shrink its concealment, submerge and reposition at high speeds. Someone here said subs were slow, but they can go way past 30 knots while submerged, that is not what I call slow. Certainly not slow enough to make it vulnerable, being 1-2 knots faster than a target you have to be on top of is simply not good enough. Furthermore I need to know what to do when the sub simply plays around my ability to even retaliate, which is very easy for the sub. Many ships have 6km asw planes, which is pretty much right on my forehead, why would a decent sub player be in this range, unless to sneak up to me and shotgun me in the face, in which case there is no warning until its to late. Even 10km ASW planes have been proven ineffective agaisnt a sub player that knows what they are doing, since they outrange these planes by a good margin. There were stiuations where 4-5 ships were aware of the subs position or at least the thought so, piling all their ASW on that spot, but the sub still got away no problem. I have tried locating them by their ping, but unless they are within 6-8km that has never worked and even if they are its very hit and miss. At the same time firing breaks my own concealment even if the sub is not spotting me, so its really not worth it even trying and I tried many, many times. Evading the torpedos also usually only works once, whether dcp is up or not and the subs reload ensures there will be more on the way fast, or he can just not fire all of them at once an punish me immediately after evading the first set. Not to mention I have to be in a position where I can make violent turns without getting slapped out of the game by other ships. There was also this one match I played in Marceau where the enemy sub tried the hardflank from the mapborder, way overextended, so I decided to go deal with it to keep my battleships safe. I got one depthcharge on him, he stopped the leak right away, stayed submerged and I never saw him until the end of the match. While it worked to zone him out and keep my bbs safe, now I was at the [edited]end of the map with no other enemy to engage and no way to find the sub in the vast open ocean. I did the right thing for my team but got no reward, contrary it felt like a punishment to have to randomly drive around to maybe have one final engagement before the match ended. I ended the game with a pitiful amount of xp as well, this interaction felt just so clunky, unfun and punishing that I lost all motivation to play for the day. An this is about as much as I am willing to type right now, I could go on and on and on, but my time and yours is limited. to conclude, so far this entire thread has amounted to four general answers: 1: Play ranked or quit. Fair enough, those are valid options 2: Use your ASW equipment, which is exactly my problem. I tried pretty much all of the available variants and they all are clunky, ineffective and worst of all, they require you to be directly on or very close to the sub to even have a chance of damaging it. At least this person actually gave me a goddamn answer and tried to be helpful. 3. Your request is not genuine, you just want to complain, [edited]you I am not helping you(I totally could, if I wanted to, promise) 4. Gotta change your ways, adapt or get fucked. As mentioned I tried to adapt and failed, thats why I am now here asking the community for advice. Point 2 was actually just one larger post, I dont have the time right now to disect it one by one, but I will check back later, because I fear if anyone follows this advice there will be a rude awakaning for that person, as I have tried all of it already and failed. Never would I have thought that asking for general advice to counter one shipclass could be so controversial and exhausting. Imagine I had asked how to deal with dds, but alas dds play by the same rules as any other surfaceship, so I am very much able to figure them out, even when playing the class they are supposed to counter. After that textwall I am now close to carpal tunnel syndrome, never would I have imagined I would have to write such paragraphs to justify asking for help. Something is definitely off here.

Why? If effective counterplay exists, why not just tell me about it? All the details have already been talked to death in thousands of posts in the main-thread for sub feedback, do I really have to explain all of it again? I am not here to give feedback, that is a waste of time in my eyes, I am here because I am desperate and about to quit what used to be my favourite pvp game. I am asking for help here, not a discussion. Besides my original post kind of mentioned the lack of effective counterplay, which is by far not all I dislike about subs design, but I think expecting an essay from me in exchange for genuine advice is a bit stiff, dont you think?

I guess for strictly soloplay, which is not the most fun in my opinion, that is a temporary option. But lets not kid ourselves, subs will come back into ranked as well, its only a matter of time :( Also I have to slog through T7 again to get to the fun stuff... ugh. But still, maybe I can try that until its inevitably ruined as well.

I have a question for all the super-unicums, those who understand every aspect of the game and are still playing for hours regularly: What are you doing to avoid the immense frustration that comes with having to fight subs? I am serious, I currently consider quitting my favourite pvp game for good because the state of the game is beyond broken and unenjoyable to me. Until subs were released even CVs and could not outweigh the parts I like about WoWs, but now I want to pull my hair out after 2 games at the very most and I cant seem to find any meaningful counterplay, even if the subplayer is a certified potato. And dont even ask how it is when hes not... Seriously, what do I do? Despite literally hundreds of forumpages in every available language raging and speaking out against the implementation of subs there seems to be zero movement towards listening to this feedback and I have lost any hope that we wont get this crap forced into the game. Posts critizising subs are getting labeled "rant" and are just deleted. Is quitting really the only option in this case or does any super-unicum have some sage advice for me so I can enjoy my beloved warships game again?

This brawl is unbelievably cursed. Who came up with the idea of asymmetric teams? I had matches where one team had 3 dds, one had zero, one team has a carrier, the other gets a dinky cruiser more. And skill based matchmaking? I dont think I had a single match yet, where our two battleship went on their respective flanks, they never split. Yamatos with HE in the barrel for the entire match. I would go BB myself, if it didnt take ~10 minutes queue time. What a ravaged experience.