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You didn't read or understood one thing I read. You didn't even try. You never try. You just twist your word as they suit you, leave out any fact or truths and make your own, then happily go on playing your CVs, hoping they will stay like this as long as possible before WG one day will change them. But untill that day, you got your way, just like a child. No wonder this game will ever get constructively better with these wordtwisters and those that conveniently leave out truths that don't work for them. Just like WG themselves. All little children that rather play a broken game they like than having a balanced game everyone can enjoy.

That is not "playing the game" , that is more akin to demo-ing/showing off pretty pictures. It's like I would play a game I never played or know anything about on stream for an hour. Yes, I play the game. So, do I knnow know the intricate parts of the game? Do I now know the balance issues? Do I now see what people playing the game daily for hours in one go see? No. No. And no. Well, all those threads, the constant discussions on YT, reddit, twitter etc, the fact that even the CV players saying the class needs fixing (although they keep on playing if for some reason they still won't tell me), should be an indication something is terribly wrong with the CV/Sub classes. I do agree, maybe WG secretly has shares in popcorn business and therefore Fs up their game so much, making the forums into this disaster. Although it would help if community members would work with the rest against WG, instead of working against the rest and with WG.

Now I see what your problem is when talking about Subs and CVs. Everytime someone says they got issues with one of them, you just blame it on their skills and be done with it. "You don't like [insert thing]? You just don't know how to deal with it." And then the worse thing is the "I judge your reasoning on your winrate, because if you got a low winrate, you are stupid and do not understand how things work.". 1. Maybe people can really have things they just don't like about a game, esspecially broken things and things that don't fit in the game like CVs and Subs and have perfectly good reeasons for not wanting them in the game. Reasons that get ignored by the company that should balance those classes and players that should know better than to play those classes. 2. Where does that constant stupid idea come from that if you are bad at something or not playing something, you don't understand how it works and your ideas on the subject should be directly dismissed? Sure, there are always some things you get from experiencing and doing things yourself, but an achitect doesn't need to know or be skilled at building the actual house in order for them to design a perfect one. A racedriver doesn't need to be able to design and build the car to know how to understand its workings and know how to make the most out of its possibilities on the track. Why the Fing H wouldn't people that refuse to play CVs/Subs or be bad at playing them not know how they work, be able to fight against them or understand what is so broken about them?

Well, at least between DDs and CVs, the speed is a huge difference. Planes are way faster and more agile. If you are a bit experienced , you can most of the time figure out where the DD that is spotting you is generally located, so you have to watch that flank, while trying not to overextend and get yourself shot up by enemies. And because of battle experience and DDs being quite slow, you subconsciously figure out where the enemy DDs might be on the map, so you steer clear of those spots while also watching the movements of the other enemy ships. REALLY, I almost never get caught with my pants down by DD spotting. And DD spotting is always on a small area of the map. Spotting done by CVs is waaaaay more invasive. They can spot everywhere on the map in a matter of seconds and can do so without any risk. At least DDs run the risk of getting spotted themselves, which gets them killed mostly. Also while spotting, DDs run the risk getting spotted themselves. CVs don't care about their planes getting spotted.

What are the reasons, do you think, that you as CV captains aren't liked very much? Do you know what CVs are doing to other people playing the game? Should you not try to get to the bottom of the problem so you can understand why we need to stop playing that class? Or is your own fun too important to do the better thing for the whole community? What is it? You don't know you are hurting others or you just don't care? I also like airplanes as much as tanks and ships, which is why I also play WT, but I consciously not touching CVs as that action hurts the fun of other people playing this game in a drastic way. But now, because of people like you not knowing or not caring, I uninstalled the game as it is no fun anymore contantly have to dodge CVs. I can't say fight, as there is no fighting a CV. But seeing you are oblivious as to why people keep reporting CVs specifically, you probably do not know that people quiting the game because of CV players. You also probably don't know about the long list of issues CV bring to the table. That you never thought that there might be a correlation between playing CVs and getting hated on. And then try to find logical reasoning behind why CVs get hated on, but BBs, DDs and cruisers don't seem to get that amount of backlash as a class. Please, just think by yourself "Do I want to strengthen the community and do my part to make this game the most fun it can be for everyone? Or do I not care about others and rather play a broken class that most people rather do without in their games?" If you choose the second option and rather be an *ss towards the community playing broken classes that should not be in this game, that is ok too, but at least be honest about it.

In the olden days it was NC. My first non dreadnaught BB, she had heavy, slow shells, but they hit like a truck. But the best thing was that she was a good tanking trainer. She had no gimmicks apart from working AA, but if you angled correctly, she would bounce anything. She also punished you correctly as her broadside is held together by a triplex plate. She gets cit by anything. But through the metas, NC has been left far behind, living in a meta where tanking gets you overmatched by one half and burned by the other half. There is one ship though that I bought because I love NC that much, which DID survive all the metas and is still relevant, and that is Massa. Massa is still a ship that is solid as concrete, can do lots of dmg and sails very nicely, good turrets too and she is "small". My runner up would be Roma. Nothing sails so fluidly as Roma in my eyes. But then she is a bit like NC, only more agile and different style turrets, but she also is super tanky with no gimmicks.

As one that is a big fighter in the battle against the current CVs ingame, I do agree with your ideas AFTER have been balanced. Otherwise an action like this would only further show WG doesn't care about the game balance and the community and incite further fires on the forums. Tbh, I can't understand why most CV players just can't seem to notice what playing CVs does to the community as a whole. Apart from Subs, CVs are the only class getting actively reported for being in the game, the forum frontpage as at least 1 thread, mostly more, about changing CVs / getting CVs out of the game, with lists of really good reasons. Don't you all understand what you are doing or do you feel like "an underdog group fighting for your right to play your CVs through all the anti CV storms" or something else heroic? Why don't you see and recognise the signs that CVs as a whole really are not wanted in the game for all the right reasons? This is not a passing thing that will blow off a little bit later on. With all due respects, you are no heroic fighters for CV rights. You are actively hurting people by playing CVs and using a Broken class that should not be implemented into the game as it is now. People that calling using CVs unsportive behavior are nit saying that to joke around. Calling yourself a CV main is the same as calling yourself a bully main, or a 3 year old that needs the OP class to feel they can win in the game. 3 year olds also don't see or care about that they hurt other people playing a favorite game, but as they are still so young, people understand. People don't understand why grown people need to actively ruin the game of other people by knowingly picking a broken class that the majority of people are loud and clear about they don't want in their game (via reports, reddit, WoWs Forum, Twitter, YT. The only thing people haven't done yet is walking over to WG and deleting CVs by hand). Why do CV players keep on antagonizing and ruining the game for others by needing to pick the CV class cost what cost? With all the evidence of what you are doing to others? How can you enjoy games where you know many of the other people hate you, just for chosing a broken class? Not a competative tension because yo u got them before they could shoot you down, no. Just a hate for you actively chosing a class that is broken and still, due to your egocentrism, must play that game for your own fun over other people. Many people (including me) would like to play a fair and balanced variant of the class, but will not play this variant as we want all people to have a fun game, all people to have a positive community where we all stand for a solid, balanced game where we can all be prowd of being a part. Going for your own fun over the back of others, just because WG gives you the opportunity is going opposite of that idea and which is also the reason why you should not look strange with all the backlash you get. Again, CVs are not just the next "broken, OP ship" outage by the community that will slowly settle down if you wait long enough. CVs are a real broken class with many reasons showing that fact and they are ruining the game in all tiers 3 and up.

The ironie is that THAT mode is the only mode where player versus player balance doesn't matter. Thus for ops it doesn't matter that CVs are broken.

151+ atm. Going nicely

Money, money, money , money! ;) Fixed that for ya.

I think it is fitting for the amount of unbalance there is with WG trying to fit CVs, Subs and Supers into a game based on the rock-paper-scissor trio of Surface ships. They try to balance Subs and Supers while CVs aren't balanced at all.

You know it, I know it, even WG knows it. Sadly it's all about the money. Be it the money they have invested in the CVs or the money they can make with new CVs. The thing is that they don't even have to completely remove CVs from the game. But let them take them out of the game until they know how to balance them so they don't thread on that what makes the balance between the Surface ships that interesting.

Depends. Do peopel you cook for also uninstall your kitchen from your house and leave the place? ;)

The thing is that no ship ever, not even Smolensk has ever got this amount of backlash. It was up till now only 1 ship, mostly in the T10 region, that people could dodge, but this is a whole class of "ships", if you can call that, that plays a whole different game, with so many things that do not work with the other ship types and that you encounter 90% of your matches from T3 upwards. I dare to bet that nothing has let so many people quit the game (including me)as having to go up against CVs every single time, not helping that Subs and Superships are also been thrown in the mix around the same time while CVs are this disruptive to the originally awesome gameplay of WoWs. And then we got even more CVs in the support role to look forward to.

They would do that, wait a few weeks and then happily announce everybody is exeptionally happy with how CVs are now and when you ask for where they get that idea from, it will be that silent majority they got hidden somewhere.

Where does he say he got hit only once? And this is just another example of what to expect from the awesome CV class that really doesn't continuously is the subject of threads on the front page or even has its own sticky? BBs don't get their own discussion thread. Neither does DDs or cruisers. Why? Because those classes aren't subject to continuous discussion, have serious balance issues nor get disliked by a significant portion of the community. So even if the 23k hit was a 1 time experience for them, it is still significant and can be added to the list of unfun experiences CVs bring.

Nahhhh, just dodge. CVs are super balanced. It's a L2P issue. (I am totally with you, but you are in the middle of CV central here. They don't care for other ships here, nor does WG for that matter, so nothing is going to change anyways.)

As some do CVs, Superships, Subs and many more of WGs great plans :)

Probably something went wrong that was not WG's fault this time, but about the lies and esspecially the learning part: it is YOU that has to start learning that WG cannot be trusted.

Hey! That is the CV crowd you stole that quote from!

Amen! Such a list of awesome games out there that do honor their playerbase.

Also, WG is balancing CVs around end match statistics, where CV earn ok-ish XP. So WG says "CVs are balanced". But everyone knows that the actions that really win games are not those that are taken in account XP wise, like spotting the right targets, tanking damage so others can protect/take down a flank, etc. Only damage and taking caps net you the most xp and the higher spots on the match result list. But the true strength of CVs lies in its spotting power and pursueing/taking down key targets. The CV is the only "ship" in the game that can effectively hunt ships that do not want to be seen (DDs, other CVs, stealthy CLs, stealthy BBs), they are the only ones that can light up key targets at any moment during the game. They are also the only ones that can attack any target at any time, no matter the obstacles. And as they don't need to be near their targets, they can attack without risk getting sunk before the end of the game and can even cap one side while attacking on the other side of the map, which has won many a game as the CV could cap one cap while defending their own cap. All those things won't be added to the results of a CV in the end game results screen, and thus won't be taken in account by WG during their balance round, but are things that are felt by the player base when sailing a surface ship. And those people think "So what if CVs don't top the charts everytime?". CV XP cut up is already wack anyways. When getting XP for stuff, they are treated like any other ship, while their strength and utilities are unlike any of the surface ships and thus should be treated that way too when considering where their xp should come from.

Well, tbh, CV players can do everything while easily eating an apple and still be 100% effective, so there is already 1 balance issue.bwhat I don't get is that people fail to see that dodging incoming fire is not the same as countering an attack. I'll give you another easier to understand example. Playing against a CV is like playing a game of football, but the CV player can only shoot at the goal and the surface ship can only be the goalie trying to keep the ball out of the goal. The CV can be the only one that scores, while the surface ship can only try to keep the score 0-0. You think FIFA think this is a fair game? So why do CV players and WG think that is a fair and fun game for both parties? And you know what makes this situation even better? Because the CV can put a SPOTlight (understanding the hint?) on the goalie/surface ship, the whole enemy team can shoot at the goalie. Even more "balance". And still people try to defend CV-surface ship encounters by using the phrase "countering". There is no countering. There is only one side (the hunter/the fair goer) that can take pot shots at the other side (the prey/the plastic duck in a shooting range) and the latter can only try/hope not to get hit. THAT is not COUNTERING! And no matter how great anyone is a dodging CV attacks, it is not balanced gameplay and for most it is not rewarding gameplay either. Certainly not with the added spotting power of a CV, which makes him able to kill off his enemy by just running circles outside the more damaging AA ranges of his prey while his team takes the enemy down. Also, CVs haven't really been changed. Maybe tweaked, but changed? No, real changes towards balance between CVs and other classes to reduce the massive impact a CV has on a game hasn't been undertaken by WG in a looooooooooong time.

You know, if we could trade CVs to HE spamming DDs as the biggest problem ingame, I gladly install the game again and let myself burn all the way into next week and laugh happily doing it :D

Kinda? More "completely" ;) Anyways, it is not that I don't think CVs can be in the game with the right solutions, but WG seemingly don't want CVs to be changed and the CV players either don't want them changed either or they don't care. I rather be playing the game, have fun with balanced CVs and come to the forums full of positivity, talking bout all the cool ships and experiences. But instead WG rather want us to come to the forum with a negative attitude towards the game, trying to fight an unwinable war. I have never in my whole life as a gamer or otherwise met a company that lets such obvious gamebreaking issues leave in the game while spoutimg out MTX after MTX, while things could be fixed properly and in a short amount of time, so we can all be happily play the game again, [edited] how OP Kamikaze and Belfast are.