piritskenyer

Totally.

That looks like someone threw the British, Japanese and American designs in a pot (plus the Béarn), put a lid on it, shook it hard, then poored the results on paper. I have to say, it does look good.

Once upon a time, in a game universe known as World of Warships, there was a nation. That nation had a full-grown techtree, with battleships, destroyers, aircraft-carriers, and the branch of our subject today, cruisers. In that line of cruisers, you had something of everything: a patrol boat, light scout cruisers, a protected cruiser, and a whole bunch of line cruisers both light and heavy. At the 7th stage of progress (tier) of the line of ships was the Pensacola class. The Pensacola class was a pretty big shift after the preceding class (the Clevelands), because they had recieved a slower-loading main armament which was heavier. Also, the Pensacola being older, wasn't as well protected and armoured as her predecessor, but that wasn't the main problem with her, as she was reasonably accurate, had reasonable punch and reasonable speed coupled with pretty good maneuverability. No, her main problem wasn't that she had a big citadel or that she had a horrible stock grind. (All the people who are going to be crying that she's way worse than the Cleveland, are welcome to leave right now, you probably just haven't adjusted to the different style of play) No. Her problem was that she could be seen from the moon before even firing her guns. Any of her guns. In fact, she's the only midtier cruiser that get's spotted at the edge of her gunrange. I mean what the [edited]?!? There is no logical reasoning for this. Would this ship be in any way overpowered if it didn't get detected from further away than some battleships?* I really don't think so. Is this supposed to be a paywall or something? This single thing is [edited]an otherwise good ship right over. This ship is the first to get detected and therefore focused in any match ever. There is just no reason for this ship to be hindered in such a way, so pretty please with sugar on top... give her some kind of sensible detection range. *: In the same matchmaking bracket the USS New Mexico (14,2), the USS North Carolina (15.7, same but this one has a fair bit higher range) and HMS Warspite (14,2) have lower detection ranges. /rant

Well, yes. T5 CE is most often found on T9-X ships and on hardcore grinder cpt's that are being carried from ship-to-ship with gold retraining. My cpt would reach CE if I bought a NO now and ground him over to the end of B-more. Thank the gods the Indianapolis is here, which going to make it much easier for me to hardcore-grind the CE skill out of the cpt.

Met Reaper20k and BlueMoon51 in two consecutive matches. Reaper was pitted against me in an unwinnable match for me (my Warspite was our top BB with a pair of Wyomings and a Kongo against their two Colorados, a Fuso and their Kongo), and BlueMoon was on my team in his Cleveland while was in my Aoba. Lost both matches unfortunately

I'm actually now contemplating buying the NO, but I don't have a cpt for her... May rebuy the Omaha and train the cpt up in that.

I know all that, thanks The rant is primarily because exactly the fact that you have to have the T5 skill in order to get to the level of te Myoko in terms of detection. If you think about it, many people will not have the T5 skill by the time they get to the Pepsi and will only remember the bad part about the ship.

After a week or so of wading through waist-deep crapin form of poor teams and poor personal performance, I decided to take my Kuma out for a spin, see if she can cheer me up. Beastmode Kuma doesn't disappoint.

Anyone who thinks the Pensacola is outright garbage is quite simply a cretin. And that's the end of that discussion. I for one would keep her rudder shift where it is now in order to counterbalance her higher range and better concealment than that of the Pepsi. If Pepsi got to have Indy's concealment, then sure, I'd be fine with having the 7 sec rudder on the Indy, but as it stands now, I'm more for this tradeoff. That said, it has to be said (AGAIN) that the "ermagherd same armor as baltimore, nurf pl0x" piece of armour is a narrow strip on her belt, which makes her only marginally better armoured than the Pepsi.

wows-numbers also lists her rudder shift as 9.1, so there is an error in there somewhere. I'd think the 11.9 to be true to be completely honest.

I'm not saying it couldn't fit to T8, however, we are pre-supertest here, which means when the testers get to sail her out she may turn out overperforming. Even if she outperforms Pensacola that's not entirely the Indianapolis' fault but rather the fault of on of Pensacola's hands being tied behind her back to fight. If she got her final refit her silhouette would be lower and that would take away the argument for the stupidly high detection range. As for invisifire, I'm not that sure. 13.95 (base det range) * 0.97 (paint reduction) * 0.88 (cpt skill) = 11,9 | 11,9 + (6,09*0,88) = 17,26. Gun range being 16,9, she doesn't get to invisifire. Don't be so worried. Will she outperform Pensacola? Surely. Will she be the best T7 CA to date? Possibly. Will she outperform T8 CA's? I doubt it. Would she be suited for T8? Again: I doubt it. Even with concealment mod she'd be outspotted by any other CA/CL on T8 bar MK and Hipper, and those two can easily outgun him if need be, while the IJN CA's and the NO would have no problem ambushing her in open water with their far superior detection range. Now with regards to her being the most powerful T7 CA, like I said, that may change yet, I for one think that if Pensa was skewered with her godawful concealment, she'd be able to beat the other CA's on T7. Also, the sole difference in AA between the two ships is the 8 20mm Oerlikons on Indianapolis vs the 15 on Pensacola. http://wows-numbers.com/ships/compare/?id[0'>=3763255280&id[1]=4282300400]Comparison between the Indianapolis and the Pensacola

What makes you think she'll have the armour of B-more? The max armour may be 5.7", but that's practically one narrow patch on the belt. The rest is both in layout and thickness closer to Pensacola than even New Orleans. The HP pool is also lower than that of the Pepsi, and the AA, for what I've seen, is identical to that of the Pepsi (8x 5"/25, 6x 4x 40mm/60 Bofors, 10-something 20mm Oerlikon). The rudder shift time is listed as 11.9 on TAP, which is a mere 2.8 seconds worse than that of the Pepsi's stock (9.1 w/o rudder mod). The guns are the same as those on the Pepsi as well, bar their layout (they are housed in three triple turrets instead of two triple and two double - in fact they have the exact same triple turrets the Pepsi has).

Concealment is listed as 13.95 with gunrange at 16.9

You realise that the turrets should be the same as n°2 and 3 on the Pensacola, right? And noone would ever call those turrets weaker than average. Anyway, the thing about the Indianapolis is that some info points towards her being T7 (HP pool, armour, armament), some other things point towards her being a T8 premium (high range). I think that if she was to be T7, she'd have her range reduced a bit.

(2) Either we are looking at powercreep (very possible), or we may just have range buffs at some point, although unlikely as Mogami had her range upped to the same level as Myoko had hers reduced. Also it'd seem odd to have a US CA at T7 that can outrange her T8 successor. Now if it turns out that Indianapolis is going to be T8, I think the range will be justified (low HP pool, not-so-spectacular armour), but she'd still outrange her regular counterpart at the tier adn could quity comfily invisifire. We shall see. I'm going to get her either way, but it'd be a bit harsh to have a T7 prem that is so much better than a ship that already requires a (minor) buff.

Shameless (and very angry) bump. Reading news about Indianapolis made me a bit frustrated with regards to this ship still not having been corrected (and as Trainspite so kindly pointed out, the 1944/45 refit took away her tall tripod mast), esp since Indianapolis is looking like she's gonna get lower detection and much higher range (16.9 seems a bit overboard for a T7 CA).

DD's cost less because they are smaller and require less material

I'd put Cleveland at T7, Brooklyn at T8 and then St Louis (1938) at T9.

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People who understood the AufPanther could hardcarry in that thing. Not at all a scout.

Looking at your sig, I'd tell you to stay low a bit more and improve your aim and sit. awareness. Cleveland may not be the best ship for the former though, given her nasty nasty shell velocities. Try the other lines up to and including T6 and work on your general skills and game mechanic use. Then, if you have better understanding of the game, move up the trees. Cheers

There are a couple interesting looking dutch ships I'd like to see in game, most of them light cruisers, but also a battlecruiser design.

Is there a possible replacement mod for it?

Met ghostbuster_ and waxx25 yesterday on land of firewith Babykim and robihr. They two were in Tirpitzzes while Baby was in a Hiryu and rob and myself were in Nagatos. They basically smashed our heads in while we were crying about our own inadequacy in the Nagato. I don't know what the end of the match was, because I got called away after I got sunk.

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