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Copper bottoms, cleanliness and victualling contributed enormously to the success of the RN from 1757 onwards.

There was no arrogance involved. Historically it is an accurate statement, the UK had the biggest Empire the world has ever seen to date and this empire was built using the Royal Navy as its main tool. My family has a long and proud history connected with the RN down the ages including Anti-Slavery patrols off West Africa. Having been to war, unlike yourself, I do respect people on all sides of a conflict with the exception of terrorist organisations. As for your English it is infinitely better than my Spanish but your use of phrases and some words are not the usual way I would use those, "barren revanchism" is an odd expression in modern English. Your 'agenda' seems to be anti-British which is fine, I welcome your insights to why my country got it wrong historically but the Spanish where hardly saints in Central and Southern America when they where committing genocide for a little gold. But history should not be judged with a modern perspective and should be looked at in the context of the age it takes place in.

Lopes, on 27 February 2013 - 07:34 AM, said: PS: In case you angry, what I say is that there were courageous people in every country, of course; and is a fact that El glorioso was a memorable ship as so many which have been relegated by the current preponderance of Anglo-Saxon culture, but not always the case, nor will. That actual doesn't make sense in English. I am sure there where and are brave souls on all sides of any battle, be it the crew of El Glorioso are the British troops that freed Spain during the Penisular wars against Napolean Bonaparte.

Which also is the reason that the UK spent a fortune setting up coaling stations around the world....

Vanguard was the last and probable greatest of the RN Battleships. She was in reserve fleet in Portsmouth when my father served on her and the decision was made to scrap the last Battleship. In February 1960 she was undertow leaving Portsmouth harbour when she slipped her tow and ran aground at the entrance, only feet away from the Still and West Public House in Old Portsmouth. My Dad always said she didn't want to go.... The tugs pulled her off the shore and continued to tow her to her final destination.....the scrap yard. http://battleshiphms...Battleship.html

I don't honestly know.

Name: HMS Roberts Builder: John Brown & Company, Clydebank Laid down: 30 April 1940 Launched: 1 February 1941 Commissioned: 27 October 1941 Fate: Sold June 1965 and scrapped General characteristics Class & type: Roberts class monitor Displacement: 7970 tons Length: 3 73.25 ft (113.77 m) oa Beam: 89.75 ft (27.36 m) Draught: 11 ft (3.4 m) Propulsion: 2 shaft, Parsons steam turbines, 2 boilers, 4,800 hp Speed: 12.5 knots (14.4 mph) Complement: 350 Armament: 2 × 15-inch/42 Mk 1 guns in a twin turret 8 × 4-inch AA guns (4 × 2) 16 × 2-pdr "pom-pom"s (1 × 8, 2 × 4) 20 × 20 mm guns Armour: Turret: 13 inch Barbette: 8 inch Belt: 4-5 inches ROBERTS-Class Monitor ordered on 16th March 1940 from John Brown at Clydebank and laid down on 30th April 1940 as Job Number 1572 (Yard No. 572) The ship was launched on 1st February 1941 as the 2nd RN ship to carry this name which was previously used for a 1915 Monitor sold in 1936. Build completion date was 6th Oct. 1941. This ship was fitted during build with radar for aircraft warning Type 281, for surface warning Type 272 for main armament fire control Type 285 and Type 282 for Anti-aircraft Armament. These were replaced by improved equipment before the end of WW2. The warning radar equipment enabled the ship to used for air defence as well as in her primary role for naval gunfire support. B a t t l e H o n o u r s DARDANELLES 1915-16 - NORTH AFRICA 1942 - SICILY 1943 - SALERNO 1943 - MEDITERRANEAN 1943 - NORMANDY 1944 - WALCHEREN 1944 H e r al d i c D a t a Badge: On a Field Blue, a Field Marshall's baton and a sword in saltire Proper pommel and hilt Gold enfiled with an antique crown also Gold and in chief between the baton and sword blade an estoile also Gold. D e t a i l s o f W a r S e r v i c e (for more ship information, go to Naval History Homepage and type name in Site Search 1 9 4 1 September Contractors trials. October Commissioned for trials. 6th Build completion and commenced acceptance trials. 13th Docked in Clyde. November Carried out First of Class and special, trials. to Nominated for service in Eastern Mediterranean. December 1 9 4 2 January Passage to Alexandria for support of military operations by 8th Army. February Arrived at Alexandria and retained for use as AA Guardship at Suez March . Guardship deployment in continuation. to July August Nominated for support of planned allied landings in North Africa. September Passage to Gibraltar to Join Eastern Naval Task Force October Deployed at Gibraltar. November Prepared for support of landings. 8th Deployed in support of landings at Algiers. (Operation TORCH - For details see ENGAGE THE ENEMY MORE CLOSELY by C. Barnett and Naval Staff History). 11th Damaged in air attacks at Bougie. Passage to UK for repair. December Under repair and refit by Cammell Laird shipyard at Birkenhead. 1 9 4 3 January Under repair and refit. to Radar Type 281 replaced by 279 (See RADAR AT SEA BY D Howe.) May On completion of repair deployed in central Mediterranean. June Post refit trials and work-up in Home waters. Nominated for support of allied landings in Sicily (Operation HUSKY - For detail see ENGAGE THE ENEMY MORE CLOSELY by C. Barnett and Naval Staff History). Passage to Algiers to join British Support Force East July Deployed at Algiers for HUSKY. 5th Sailed from Algiers. 7th Joined assault convoy KMS18 during passage to Sicily. (Note: Other ships in Support Force East included HM Monitor ABERCROMBIE, HM Cruisers NEWFOUNDLAND, MAURITIUS, UGANDA, ORION, CARLISLE and COLOMBO with destroyer screen.. See above references.) 10th Provided gunfire support with Force Q during landings of XXX Corps. August HUSKY support duties in continuation. Bombarded coast road near Taormina to impede German retreat. Covered Commando raid near Taormina. Nominated for support of British landings on Italian mainland. (Operation BAYTOWN - See above references). September 2nd Bombarded coast between Reggie Calabria and Pessaro with HM Monitors EREBUS, ABERCROMBIE, HM Battleships VALIANT, WARSPITE,. HM Cruisers ORION and MAURITIUS. 3rd Provided naval gunfire support during landings by British XIII corps near Reggie and Villa San Giovanni with HMS ABERCROMBIE, HMS EREBUS, HMS ORION, . MAURITIUS, HM River Gunboats APHIS and SCARAB. 9th Joined Northern Attack Force (TF85) for support during Salerno landings. (Operation AVALANCHE: For details see above references.) 13th Provided gunfire support during German attacks on bridgehead with HMS MAURITIUS, to HMS ORION, HMS UGANDA, HMS AURORA, US Navy cruisers USS PHILADELPHIA 16th USS BOISE and RN destroyers. Under sustained air attacks including radio controlled bombs. See above references. October Military support off Italian west coast in continuation. to On release from Mediterranean support took passage to UK. December 1 9 4 4 January Deployed in Home waters. to March April Nominated for support of allied landings in Normandy (Operation NEPTUNE) Allocated for duty in Bombarding Force D attached to Force S May Prepared for duty with Bombarding Force at Portsmouth. (For details of activities prior to and during landings see LANDINGS IN NORMANDY. June 1944 (HMSO) and OPERATION NEPTUNE by K. Edwards). Nominated target in Pre-Arranged Fire Plan - Houlgate Battery or Gorneville sur Mer as secondary target. June 4th Operation delayed 24 hours. 5th Joined HM Battleships WARSPITE and RAMILLIES, HM Cruisers MAURITIUS, ARETHUSA, DANAE, FROBISHER and Polish ORP DRAGON comprising Bombarding Force D off Portsmouth. Passage through swept channel with Force D. 6th On arrival off SWORD Beach took up bombarding position. Provided gunfire support in accordance with fire-plan. Right-hand 15in Gun burst jacket. 7th Returned to Portsmouth for repair, and replenishment of stores and ammunition. Resumed support deployment in Eastern Task Force area. 26th Provided naval gunfire support for British Army attacks in Caen area with HM Battleship RODNEY, HM Cruisers ARGONAUT, BELFAST and DIADEM. July Gunfire support to land operations in continuation. 11th Provided gunfire support to land operations with HMS BELFAST. August After release from Post NEPTUNE support remained in Home waters for support of planned allied landings. September Nominated for support of British landings at Walcheren. (Operation INFATUATE - For details see ENGAGE THE ENEMY MORE CLOSELY and CAMPAIGN NORTH WEST EUROPE, June 1944 to May 1945 (HMSO).) October Joined HMS WARSPITE and HM Monitor EREBUS. 31st Passage to Walcheren with ships of Bombarding Squadron. November. 1st Provided gunfire support with Squadron during assault at Westkappelle. 2nd Provided further support with HMS EREBUS. (Note: HMS WARSPITE had left area.). December Deployed in Home waters for support duties if required. 1 9 4 5 January Nominated for duty in British Pacific Fleet and prepared for foreign service in support of planned to operations July August Passage to join Fleet. 15th At Kilindini P o s t W a r N o t e s HMS ROBERTS was not required for service with British Pacific Fleet after VJ Day and returned to Devonport with call at Malta on 5th November 1945. The ship was Paid-off and reduced to Reserve status after arrival on 27th November and then used as a Turret Drill ship until the need for training on 15in guns had lapsed. She was then placed on the Disposal List and although sold to BISCO to be broken up she was retained for use in Devonport as an Accommodation Ship. During the period up to 1965 she was in fact rented from the nominated shipbreaker, T W Ward. When no longer required she was laid up in the Hamoaze and finally left for the breakers yard at Inverkeithing near Rosyth on 19th July 1965.

Nice modern frigate.

Nuclear Guided Missile Cruiser (CGN).

Have a look at the RN site for HMS Diamond and you will see what I mean. http://www.royalnavy...ers/HMS-Diamond

It is the same with Regiments. It is the name itself.

Fascinating story of how the SS Bismarck became HMS Caledonia. http://en.wikipedia....Majestic_(1914) The name HMS Caledonia was used after the scrapping of the Bismarck/Majestic as a shore establishment in Rosyth to train the Mechanical Engineering & Shipwright Apprentices. My Father joined Caledonia in 1953 :)

Battle Honours go with the ships name so when the then 'new' HMS Roberts was commissioned she would have the battle honours from the previous HMS Roberts. As I pointed out there was a previous Monitor called Roberts which received that honour but it transfers onwards.

Smederevac94, on 15 February 2013 - 10:15 AM, said: The Russians had a similar with better armaments, but I can not find anything about this ship. Very similar in design. Monitors have very little draft so can get in close to shore and use their big guns, very much the forerunner to the Littoral ships every one is building now.

Previous HMS Roberts was also a Monitor and launched HMS Roberts was an Abercrombie class monitor of the Royal Navy that served in the First World War. On November 3, 1914, Charles M. Schwab of Bethlehem Steel offered Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, the use of four 14in/45cal BL MK II twin gun turrets, originally destined for the Greek ship Salamis. These turrets could not be delivered to the German builders, due to the British Naval blockade. The Royal Navy immediately created a class of monitors, designed for shore bombardment, to use the turrets. Roberts was laid down at the Swan Hunter, Ltd shipyard at Wallsend on December 17, 1914. The ship was named Stonewall Jackson in honour of the US General Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson, however as the United States was still neutral, the ship was hurriedly renamed HMS M4 on May 31, 1915. She was then named HMS Earl Roberts on June 19, 1915 and again renamed HMS Roberts on June 22, 1915 Roberts sailed for the Dardanelles in June 1915. She remained in the Eastern Mediterranean until returning to England in February 1916. She served as a guard ship at Yarmouth until the end of the War. She decommissioned in May 1919, and was sold for breaking up in May 1921, however she was retained by the Admiralty for trials. In the 1930s, she was used for testing underwater protection for new construction warships. She was finally sold in September 1936 to the Ward shipyard at Preston for breaking up. also this is interesting One of HMS Robert's guns (formerly in HMS Resolution) is mounted outside the Imperial War Museum in Lambeth, South London, together with one from the battleship Ramillies. HMS Roberts herself was sold for scrapping shortly after the war, but hired back by the navy as an accommodation ship at Devonport until 1965: it was widely rumoured that the ship-breakers who bought her had more than recovered their purchase price in rent before they then sold her remains as scrap metal.

Sir Francis Drake to you... :) I didn't know Drake (a bit before my time) although my Dad did have to collect his kitbag when they raised the Mary Rose :Smile_veryhappy:

And these ships supplied under Lend/Lease from the US was part of the UK's National Debt right in the 1980s....

I have been to school since 1979, and in 1982 I went to war, on a warship, in the South Atlantic to free the Falkland Islands from Argentina while serving in the RN. My father was in the RN at the same time having served from 1952 to 1988. His father took part in the Malta conveys in WW2 and his father was at Jutland on HMS Lion, his father also served. I could go on further back to before Nelson and Trafalger but I don't have to prove anything to you.

So 9 & 10 are paper ships (I know Malta was laid down, but was never completed). I remember Eagle and Ark Royal as a child in Devonport.

Post War Ark Royal or Eagle for tier 8 then? What about Victorious and her class mates?

We need the Tier 10 RN carrier to be HMS Malta.

This guys pictures are really nice http://www.danielbec...om/contenu.html

TheSmallCompanionCube, on 09 February 2013 - 10:46 AM, said: No guns anywhere? I just wasted a few minutes of my life :Smile_amazed: Time to have a love of ships, not just warships. I thought it would be interesting because fo the name of the ship. I'll not bother again.... tartanspartan, on 09 February 2013 - 11:38 AM, said: SOB they took the German ships out of spite. German lost (as you will be aware) and SS Bismarck was taken as reparation for the loss of UK cruise liners sunk by U-Boats. Simple as that.

Odd .....working now.

Because the F35B will be the only VSTOL aircraft available. No catapult means VSTOL.