Crooq_Lionfang

I don't know why so many people are now talking about Open Beta, as if it was starting next week or so. Do we have any reason to believe it's less than 2 months and 2-3 patches away?

My first impuls was to disagree completely. 0.3.0.3. was announced before, namely last week and supposed to go live on April 1st. The Friday before that WoWS German facebook page posted something along the lines of "And look forward to what's coming next week", hinting in my opinion at some major content patch. Now what's mean is that you as supertester might have more insight into what's coming, and if you have the question remains if you are teasing us now or not

"not very long" for a closed beta is very relative and can mean absolutely anything. My personal guess would be 2-3 more months until OBT, and then towards September/October release of the game. I also wouldn't give too much thought to "just cosmetic changes", there's a lot of balance testing still to do on the high tiers, because most of the beta testers aren't much higher than tier 6 or 7 at the moment. From what I see of the matchmaker tier 8 is slowly starting to fill right now, and I guess the devs want at least a somewhat decent sample size of tier 10's before basically opening things up to the public

Read that, too, but Russia also seems to have some solid higher tier candidates I found out yesterday (never expected to find those). Sovetsky Soyuz class that was planned to rival Yamato and Montana class in size, though with a bit weaker firepower, so it would be a good tier 9 candidate most likely. Tier 10 there's the K-1000 BB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-1000_battleship ), and although it's bull for the most part WG has to go with something. Also don't forget that for the lower tier BB branch there are quite a lot of old pre-revolution designs. For the cruisers there's the Kirov class from the late 30's, which could at least be somewhere around tier 6, probably tier 7. Caliber is solid, and with some ROF tweaking it can be a sort of Cleveland. The tiers below can also be filled with a couple real designs, but tier 9 and 10 are going to be tough, unless involving some late/post war designs from very shortly before guided missiles became popular.

Vor ein paar Tagen hab ich von einem der WG-Offiziellen ein Statement gesehen, dass sie regulaer im Forschungsbaum sein wird. Weiss nicht mehr, obs im deutschen oder englischen Forum war, aber ich such mal und werd dann einen link hier per Edit einfuegen Edit: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/8280-wie-geht-es-mit-world-of-warships-weiter/page__st__75#topmost LeSuivre in Post Nr. 83: "Es wird also sehr warscheinlich sein, diese Klasse auch ohne Investition in unseren Premium-Laden spielen zu können!"

Fuer etwas Uebung und eine Grundroutine ist aber die Open Beta bis zur Release alleine gut genug. Und ja, wie jemand schon sagte, das Spiel ist gut, aber nicht so gut, dass es sich lohnt 100 Schleifen auf den Tisch zu legen und die Gefahr einzugehen, dass es dann gar nicht funktioniert dank falschem Code. Derzeit muss denk ich noch einiges gefeilt werden an der Balance von so einigen Schiffen (ich sag nur Cleveland vs Aoba, Japanische Zerstoerer nach Tier 5, etc), von daher wird sich eventuell die Spielweise einiger Schiffe auch noch drastisch aendern, da kann dann vieles, was man ueber Zielen und Schiessen hinaus in der CBT gelernt hat auch schnell hinfaellig sein.

For a new tree a premium is usually the first to come. Was the same in WOT (think Chi-Nu Kai a patch or two before other Japanese tanks came). The ship given to Alpha testers was the Iwaki Alpha, Japanese Cruiser/Destroyer hybrid. Next tree to appear is said to be the Russian one (makes sense with the Aurora already in game), after that I heard comes German Kriegsmarine, then Royal Navy. The decision to bring the Russians before those is economical, in order to market the game on WGs home turf, people there have a much bigger connection to land warfare rather than sea warfare, so it'd need a bit more to draw them in

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Not a clipping issue, but still graphical. Omaha Second hull of the Omaha lists 8x4 28mm/75 AA guns, but the model has 10 clearly visible: one on each side on top of the aft casemate superstructure and three on each side midship near the smoke stacks. Those can be viewed up close through the camera symbol. The model however includes another pair, on each side on top the forward casemate superstructure/bridge. I don't know if those are intentionally not counted for balance reasons and remain inactive or if they are intended to work, but aren't counted for the ship AA data due to a bug. (reposted from bug section to here on Shepburs request)

Not sure this belongs here. Could be either a bug or an "error" in the model. Second hull of the Omaha lists 8x4 28mm/75 AA guns, but the model has 10 clearly visible: one on each side on top of the aft casemate superstructure and three on each side midship near the smoke stacks. Those can be viewed up close through the camera symbol. The model however includes another pair, on each side on top the forward casemate superstructure/bridge. I don't know if those are intentionally not counted for balance reasons and remain inactive or if they are intended to work, but aren't counted for the ship AA data due to a bug.

You should contact support about that. I don't know about the keys, as I managed to grab a spot through the website form in the few minutes it was open, but ultimately support is the only instance that can help you get going

I get your point about the frustration. I'm on the Mutzuki right now and couldn't get a good, fun match if someone died and willed it to me, as Jingles would say. It makes me want to pull my hair out, but i have to somehow stick through it, because otherwise it won't get better long term. The problem with the lack of data is that the devs can see something is wrong. They can even come to the same conclusions as the potential players looking at it and say "the problem is here or there". But the lack of information (in general) is what leads to the wrong dosis of buffs/nerfs. They can give it basically nothing and things stay as they are. Or they can give a vessel way too much and it becomes overpowered (or totally nerf something down the drain), and we all know from WoT how long it takes to fix that one again :-/

@Forminator It does, but it doesn't necessarily give any evidence for a reason. It's much easier for WG to see that the damage output of a ship is below comparable ships or survivability, whether that's not enough hitpoints, too big and weak citadel or whatever other things there might be. Hard data always beats impressions, at least in my opinion. Afterall, that is what we are here in closed beta for, to gather that data, so we can enjoy a game with more balanced tech trees at release

Thing is, if people don't play the ships that sucks statistics will never tell WG that they suck for whatever reason, and will be much harder to balance until release. The more actual game data they get the easier it is to make those rustbuckets competitive.

Well, this just popped up. Same version as in the previous support announcement, so it was just delayed by a week, probably to fix some serious bugs that popped up during supertest https://eu.wargaming.net/support/News/NewsItem/View/395/world-of-warships---0303-patch-release Kleines Edit 9 Stunden spaeter: warum zum Henker hab ich das eigentlich auf englisch geschrieben???

Busy with all lines, but trying to concentrate beyond that on Jap Cruisers and Destroyers. But only at tier 6 right now on the way to tier 7. So it will still be a while

First ship laid down in 1942 I think, so it'd still be in the time frame. If they are good enough for high tier though, no idea edit: and they weren't planned to be as modern with helipad etc, the ships got refitted in 1954, if I can trust a quick glance over wiki

Wasn't Tiger class after Crown Colony? I'm no expert though

Klingt nach einem gut ausbalancierten Tier 7 Kreuzer. So wie es jetzt ist mit ihr auf Tier 6 und dir in der Nagato auf Tier 7 solltest du im Durchschnitt vorne liegen und dich die Cleveland nur mit Glueck und/oder deutlich mehr Skill besiegen koennen

Denk ich auch. Fuer WOT ist 9.7 ja auch verschoben worden auf fruehestens 7. April. Wenn beide Spiele derzeit auf derselben neuen BigWorld Engine laufen (WOT stellt ja gerade um) kanns damit vielleicht zusammenhaengen. Aber ich spekulier schon wieder zuviel mit zu wenig handfesten Informationen

Naja, der Support-Link zur 0.3.0.3-Ankuendigung ist auch weg bzw jetzt ein dead link. Ich denk mal, die haben den Patch einen Tag vor uns im RU-CBT draufgespielt wie sie es bei WOT auch machen, dabei gabs probleme und das ganze wurde verschoben, eher still und heimlich, da es ja eh keine grosse Ankuendigung mit Patch notes etc gegeben hat. Ach ja, wir schauen mal was kommt.

You got the comment behind the Tier I wrong in my opinion - the tier I should relate to cruisers and destroyers, as those will be researched from there directly. BBs become researchable from the ther II

And aside from that, there is no way right now to buy piasters for RL money and due to the wipe(s) that's coming I don't think there will be befoe game officially goes live

In der folgenden Meldung heisst es aber dafuer 02/04/14 fuer Unterhalt vom Portal (und zumindest bei WOT ist das im allgemeinen Zeitgleich mit Patches, rein zuuuuufaellig)

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/News/NewsItem/View/395/world-of-warships---0303-patch-release meinst du das? Das waere fuer heute gewesen... aber mal schauen, vielleicht nur ein Tag Verzoegerung dabei, kann ja mal vorkommen