Isitari

Last stand is more important in an IJN DD than even a USN DD I think because the IJN has no way to defend itself once it's spotted. Where as Advanced fire training in a USN DD means you can fire from range without being spotted which is awesome .

Totally normal +-3 tiers . Tbh I've seen far worse, some poor tier 7 CV was solo matched against a Midway. Midway just parked some planes nearby and nullified it the entire game.

By tier 9 you're paying 20K in 'repairs' even if you take 0 damage (that includes 0 damage crits). Btw this isn't ammo I'm talking about.

Remember guys Fire chance decreases with tier where by Tier 10 AFAIK the chance is ~-50% Fire. I imagine the Cleveland does so well with fire is because it can shoot lots of low tier targets and has lots of rapid firing guns.

Thought I'd start a thread of all the little things we've encountered as bugs or little improvements that would be nice to fix/add! (This is not a thread for suggesting balancing fixes etc. do not suggest them here!) To start with: [bUG] Changing torpedo spread on a DD at the start of a game before they've loaded often doesn't give you the correct spread. [improvement] Being able to disable secondaries / AA before game starts (or even have it set up in the Dock / Harbour). I often forget to do it and end up lighting myself up as a DD :/. Many thanks, Isitari.

To be honest I've found this game far less toxic than WoT. I put that down to 3 things: 1. Large number of people still playing from Alpha and CBT. 95% of us were constructive and helpful and I sent reports (with screenshots) in of anybody being extremely rude / unpleasant etc. 2. No XVM type mod, I used it in WoT at higher tiers and it could make me look at disgust at some of the players (rather shamefully I admit). It makes people less likely to instantly judge you before you even start playing which is good for the better players (primaried less early) and the not so good so they don't get told various unpleasant things. 3. The game is conducive to more chilled out playing, your actions per minute are quite small even when there are very very intense moments. So less aggressive times mean less aggressive players and types of players playing the game. Please please guys keep reporting people. Use the good ones as much if not more! I try to make myself use up all my positive ones every time I play. For the total idiots who say all those unpleasant things, screenshot it and send it to the GMs. They do respond .

I regularly do this in my Sims. You need the advanced firing skill (4 point one) to make it work effectively otherwise your stealth distance is small (~1km) but with the skill I get 15+km range on my guns so get around 4-5km of stealth firing range. Don't begrudge us though, us poor American DD's need all the help they can get :/.

Maybe they can turn our depth charge launchers into mine layers (not totally serious but would be pretty cool)

Errrr median is a form of an average... There are many forms of average, I don't care which form of average it is as long as it is standardised across the board. Edit: standard deviation will tell you the how average an average is remember but let's not get into this depth of statistical analysis as the saying goes "lies, damned lies and statistics"

I unfortunately appear to be one of those masochistic DD drivers :'(, fell in love with them in CBT.

Ectar, I've repeatedly asked you to post the AVERAGE XP per class (which is the only important stat you haven't stated), even better if its by tier (because lol Minekaze) because that is where most of us are having issues. I've come to notice that WG is one of the most reticent companies to post useful stats about anything, most things having to be found out by players instead of openly published by the game maker (see CCP) maybe if you were more open we'd all be able to openly constructively critique classes etc rather than using anecdotal and old / insufficient data. Edit: This will be the third time I've asked, if you're not going to, just be polite and say you won't.

Yup it's been posted over and over that link and even though the stats are largely from low tiers you can see how terribly even with the initial data the high tier DD's (6+) are doing.

Long range torps are incredibly easy to dodge, just alter your course marginally or change your speed. The Kitakami was hilariously terrible, they even tried to give it smoke and it was still shocking as it had to launch its torps whilst visible and couldn't find a way to make it balanced. Though it was brilliant at area denial but that doesn't get you XP.

Singling out 4 DD's with AA protection: Well possible with Tier X Planes (especially when the team was lacking high level AA). 20km torps which you can only fire every 2-2.5mins. I don't know any cruisers that would burn a defensive fire to protect a DD from one TB squadron (rightly or wrongly). Dodging torps at full speed lol, so basic...and try dodging lots of torps in a Kagero, only ship I can consistently dodge at high tiers in against large numbers of torps is with a Sims (or equivalent American DD). Dodging torps from IJN CV's is far easier due to 4 torps vs 6 (if it's one squadron) only if you're bracketed do you die easily. And then lets not look at that the torps you fire are constantly spotted by countless planes in the air. Oh and what does a DD do that a CV can't do better?

That comment is useless, I pointed out that the Shimakaze stayed with the Yamato but achieved very little / 0 damage. Check the end of game stats. And the first 3 DD's were killed inside the first 3 minutes when we were still relatively close to cruisers but to no avail as lol tier 10 plane HP.

To illustrate the amount of control a CV has over a battle with DD's: So thought I'd post this battle, it went beyond anger or annoyance or even frustration it was just hilarious. Even the CV pilot was well it's really easy to kill you... So lets have a look: 4 DDs dead, only the other one survived due to I think going afk and driving off to back of the map. So me in a Kagero gets Torped and Divebombed = Dead Mahan : Torpedo bombed by 1 squadron 30secs later = Dead Hatsuhara dodges for a while then dies again to 1 squadron of TB's = Dead Shimakaze hides next to the Yamato all game and gets killed by 1 torpedo bomber squadron whilst trying to cap = Dead Aaaanndddd this is the XP of the DD's So 4/5 DD's hit nothing all with those mostly being the Tier 9 / 10 ones. The Hatsuhara tried but died for his efforts. Only reason we didn't lose was because our Izumo and Yamato played really well. Yes I realise the CV tier difference is going to be fixed and the Division messed it up slightly (still the MM thought the carrier was tier 7, like that would have helped at all...) but this game shows the amount of control and ease of which it is for a CV (especially a high tier one) can control a game. The CV pilot in question also pointed out that it would have been even quicker with an IJN CV and even with another tier X CV in the game DD's can't just be a fleet DD, the Shimakaze tried that and he did effectively nothing, couldn't hit anything due to his torps being spotted etc etc. So to sum up: 1 CV kills 4 DD's and effectively neuters all 5 of the DD's effectiveness with 4/5 DD's being at the bottom of the XP. Also note all of us died to single Torpedo squadron bombers including the manoeuvrable and agile Mahan and Shimakaze. Edit: My issue with CV's is that they totally counter and neuter DD's. We have 0 defense vs them except for hiding with the fleet so we then do very little damage. CV's at the moment do everything a DD can do but better.

Ectar I also played a good number of games in CBT in DD's and the situation now is far worse (Shimakaze and Benson in CBT). The loss of the smoke time was a MASSIVE nerf and this makes it far harder to escape planes. Also there seem to be far more CV players in general hence more planes therfore you and your torps are spotted far more (a double loss of effectiveness). You say that having a DD dodging torps from a CV means you are being an effective DD, I really think not. The CV doesn't just have 1 or 2 squadrons, it can be doing so much more whilst making a DD's life pointless and getting very little XP (or dying to cruiser fire etc due to being spotted). Oh and try avoiding well guided torps with a Kagero you seen that things turning and speed? And again, I'm politely asking for average XP (you seem to answer the rude ones but not the polite ones ) . It would also be great if you could break it down by tier as I expect at certain tiers it's being heavily skewed.

Hi Ectar, you've helpfully posted average kill and win rate but what about average XP? Playing a high tier IJN DD I find that CV's have a huge impact on the amount of success I have especially in terms of being killed by torpedo bombers and my torpedoes being spotted (the number of ship launched planes from basically all ships means it's also hard to suprise anybody now...)

Fine you can have this, but then I want the following: Real oxygen torps (ones that go 40km) Planes travelling at real speed (they'd stall at the current game speed) etc etc etc. You can't have one or two of the things that you want without the rest It's an arcade game for a reason

Dear all, Had this happen to me today was rather unusual: A squadron of Japanese Torpedo bombers (tier 8 carrier) dropped 4 torpedoes on my destroyer (tier 8 not fully upgraded so bad AA). 3 of the Torpedoes came at me in a straight line parallel to each other, the last torpedo came across at an angle and actually crossed the other torpedoes. I got killed by this 'rogue' torpedo. I and the carrier were rather surprised by this! There wasn't any ship near me that could have caused the TB to panic or any other effect as far as I'm aware. Could this be a bug or an effect I'm not aware of? Sorry for a lack of pictures, I don't have replays on . Many thanks, Isitari.

I too want nearly invisible 40km range oxygen torps, that realistic enough for you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_93_torpedo Don't ask for one aspect of realism if you don't want the whole lot

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Just ignore the other part of the stats where it says that almost all CV's receive the highest XP per tier especially at the higher tiers. You can't pick and choose your stats! If win rates are fairly similar (btw they aren't for high tier DD's) but XP is massively different then something is up. Edit: add to this that a CV can do nearly everything a DD can do but better without risk to the ship, I see many problems with CV's.

Here is a recent trawl of stats (I found this via another forum), thought it might interest people: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150728a/statistics.html#ship_exp Average Score for Ships (all players) [ at 2015/07/28 ] nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win experience damage coused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense point JP BB 3 Kawachi 89200 1102057 12.35 47.62 537 16910 0.61 0.05 1.20 6.09 20374 JP BB 4 Ishizuchi 2806 30813 10.98 45.76 612 20417 0.53 0.17 0.78 4.29 16652 JP BB 4 Myogi 59055 1406910 23.82 44.39 561 18549 0.42 0.46 0.84 3.90 23898 JP BB 5 Kongo 16909 524293 31.01 44.09 740 27831 0.59 0.99 0.82 4.37 25862 JP BB 6 Fuso 3486 155582 44.63 44.42 949 37724 0.75 1.12 0.86 4.53 29243 JP BB 7 Nagato 964 46917 48.67 42.36 1225 38476 0.62 1.89 0.80 4.16 29073 JP BB 8 Amagi 266 17437 65.55 43.51 1343 48729 0.72 4.46 0.93 4.44 32376 JP BB 9 Izumo 48 2631 54.81 35.87 1305 48073 0.64 4.35 0.50 5.75 26400 JP BB 10 Yamato 35 2489 71.11 37.92 1806 69499 0.92 8.43 0.48 4.63 32495 JP CA 1 Hashidate 110264 298993 2.71 53.41 509 12064 0.85 0.02 1.37 11.30 7886 JP CA 2 Chikuma 149455 858285 5.74 50.37 433 13188 0.54 0.00 0.91 8.44 13303 JP CA 3 Tenryu 122313 1424673 11.65 47.94 556 16939 0.63 0.04 0.85 7.11 18889 JP CA 4 IwakiAlpha 1130 10606 9.39 51.79 749 24500 0.86 0.94 1.18 7.48 15841 JP CA 4 Kuma 56793 1152373 20.29 47.67 659 22136 0.67 0.29 0.90 6.99 23233 JP CA 4 Yubari 10399 86294 8.30 44.68 657 15325 0.47 1.49 0.81 6.00 12477 JP CA 5 Furutaka 21154 525994 24.86 42.73 583 17063 0.46 0.38 0.95 5.23 20987 JP CA 6 Aoba 5088 183983 36.16 44.83 1118 29193 0.76 2.63 1.43 7.19 26860 JP CA 7 Myoko 1631 74293 45.55 46.54 1314 38450 0.86 3.07 1.33 7.40 29689 JP CA 8 Atago 5316 109810 20.66 39.72 972 24803 0.45 2.24 0.89 5.83 18180 JP CA 8 Mogami 535 29582 55.29 47.26 1420 46192 0.91 3.22 1.45 9.38 31047 JP CA 9 Ibuki 94 4824 51.32 38.62 1301 40687 0.73 4.23 0.91 8.43 25895 JP CA 10 Zao 34 1530 45.00 41.86 1716 63513 1.04 4.71 0.76 10.68 29417 JP CV 4 Hosho 27063 490097 18.11 47.04 811 37796 0.87 6.18 0.28 2.24 23663 JP CV 5 Zuiho 11884 294554 24.79 49.23 1124 50614 1.14 6.99 0.27 4.51 27407 JP CV 6 Ryujo 3912 126711 32.39 48.79 1438 61103 1.32 5.63 0.29 6.34 29889 JP CV 7 Hiryu 1455 56387 38.75 47.36 1779 60801 1.18 15.91 0.40 6.53 31922 JP CV 8 Shokaku 445 22486 50.53 44.92 2004 69642 1.28 15.34 0.33 7.87 32431 JP CV 9 Taiho 144 8142 56.54 46.98 2351 78193 1.47 27.37 0.34 8.50 36555 JP CV 10 Hakuryu 48 3276 68.25 48.26 2619 95959 1.62 24.45 0.52 8.81 38351 JP DD 2 Umikaze 97464 585279 6.01 50.40 458 11748 0.63 0.00 0.96 3.78 13999 JP DD 3 Wakatake 73893 828948 11.22 48.85 502 14150 0.62 0.02 1.04 2.76 19977 JP DD 4 Isokaze 43616 846046 19.40 47.31 629 18732 0.69 0.08 1.46 2.40 24484 JP DD 5 Minekaze 17828 578660 32.46 47.60 804 27619 0.91 0.12 1.99 2.54 29530 JP DD 6 Mutsuki 4655 176281 37.87 42.77 800 19788 0.56 0.55 2.39 2.43 26887 JP DD 7 Hatsuharu 1000 45812 45.81 43.22 1011 21200 0.55 0.66 2.59 4.30 29330 JP DD 8 Fubuki 255 14253 55.89 41.50 1175 26110 0.59 0.65 3.48 4.65 30865 JP DD 9 Kagero 45 2780 61.78 38.00 1272 34862 0.60 0.52 3.85 5.67 30041 JP DD 10 Shimakaze 21 902 42.95 37.77 1338 41826 0.65 0.68 4.54 4.87 31634 RN BB 6 Warspite 2710 40959 15.11 42.04 877 27699 0.54 2.29 0.75 3.94 18064 SN CA 3 Aurora 722 7815 10.82 47.99 624 17696 0.61 0.00 1.05 8.89 16821 SN CA 5 Murmansk 3199 77357 24.18 45.38 902 27262 0.73 1.40 0.90 8.14 22741 SN DD 5 Gremyashchy 5350 70067 13.10 45.35 834 19474 0.66 0.34 1.32 5.30 17009 US BB 3 SouthCarolina 55920 702843 12.57 47.73 522 19273 0.63 0.02 1.09 7.24 20543 US BB 4 ArkansasBeta 24045 152855 6.36 47.80 721 26261 0.68 0.00 1.03 6.01 12465 US BB 4 Wyoming 32490 707047 21.76 48.28 712 28549 0.73 0.47 1.03 6.25 26332 US BB 5 NewYork 9982 297597 29.81 45.49 808 31180 0.70 0.75 0.86 5.36 26757 US BB 6 NewMexico 3050 143251 46.97 44.90 1100 39597 0.80 1.32 0.93 5.27 30908 US BB 7 Colorado 1014 54913 54.15 40.82 1128 35762 0.56 2.83 0.77 4.26 28873 US BB 8 NorthCarolina 440 26479 60.18 42.07 1538 51434 0.76 7.50 0.83 5.03 33212 US BB 9 Iowa 105 7005 66.71 46.12 1756 68066 1.01 8.05 1.20 5.94 36575 US BB 10 Montana 31 1002 32.32 42.37 1793 67140 0.95 11.00 1.56 4.96 27995 US CA 1 Erie 96366 236004 2.45 50.65 433 10768 0.68 0.01 0.99 9.93 6948 US CA 2 Albany 1 1 1.00 0.00 41 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 273 US CA 2 Chester 107204 521961 4.87 48.19 441 10254 0.42 0.00 0.84 9.29 11615 US CA 3 St.Louis 87888 1044797 11.89 49.80 526 19396 0.70 0.00 1.13 10.43 20292 US CA 4 Phoenix 39959 675435 16.90 46.03 666 18380 0.54 0.15 0.82 7.08 21270 US CA 5 Omaha 18088 533335 29.49 48.45 923 30225 0.91 1.39 1.16 9.37 27836 US CA 6 Cleveland 8435 313027 37.11 45.73 970 31814 0.86 4.11 1.35 9.09 28088 US CA 7 Atlanta 2865 58699 20.49 39.40 952 19521 0.51 3.37 0.96 6.02 19062 US CA 7 Pensacola 1343 51350 38.24 42.54 1111 25643 0.57 4.14 1.20 6.94 25390 US CA 8 NewOrleans 311 13908 44.72 42.80 1311 30526 0.61 6.73 1.56 8.21 26776 US CA 9 Baltimore 68 3202 47.09 38.13 1425 31339 0.60 7.79 1.28 9.98 25062 US CA 10 DesMoines 35 1098 31.37 41.70 1423 46267 0.81 6.94 2.73 11.68 24423 US CV 4 Langley 14917 266973 17.90 42.41 683 23463 0.47 10.31 0.11 1.24 20940 US CV 5 Bogue 5408 136180 25.18 41.79 863 26068 0.50 14.79 0.11 2.69 23613 US CV 6 Independence 1379 46386 33.64 43.95 1234 45270 0.84 11.75 0.46 4.84 27528 US CV 7 Ranger 430 21056 48.97 41.69 1388 50359 0.85 20.32 0.31 5.60 30867 US CV 8 Lexington 156 7161 45.90 41.42 1555 51057 0.80 34.83 0.34 4.09 30859 US CV 9 Essex 36 2466 68.50 44.71 1863 80638 1.47 24.34 0.35 6.35 36686 US CV 10 Midway 15 839 55.93 43.00 2447 90910 1.44 24.75 0.72 5.91 33645 US DD 2 Sampson 40829 204236 5.00 48.28 414 9675 0.54 0.00 0.71 5.22 12072 US DD 3 Wickes 24279 242494 9.99 46.27 461 9992 0.44 0.01 0.74 3.98 17252 US DD 4 Clemson 9547 162047 16.97 48.03 599 17152 0.70 0.02 1.18 4.44 23370 US DD 5 Nicholas 3252 83272 25.61 46.04 867 21115 0.79 0.35 1.44 6.23 26874 US DD 6 Farragut 814 26905 33.05 45.71 995 21541 0.75 0.57 2.32 7.08 28502 US DD 7 Mahan 157 7005 44.62 45.41 1110 20396 0.69 0.52 2.50 7.38 30099 US DD 7 Sims 3312 29557 8.92 39.60 801 12494 0.35 0.27 1.35 4.87 12607 US DD 8 Benson 37 1813 49.00 44.48 1250 23046 0.67 0.47 4.86 8.69 31387 US DD 9 Fletcher 10 647 64.70 44.13 1312 34380 0.87 1.19 4.39 10.22 40110 US DD 10 Gearing 4 206 51.50 48.97 1738 45213 0.88 1.82 3.80 12.19 43709

Good luck with their soon to be Nerfed AA