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Before WWII there was even a project for a 5110 tons seaplane carrier (named Sacadura Cabral) which was to be ordered from Italy, but the order was soon cancelled. Deamon93, on 22 November 2013 - 03:41 PM, said: Portugal had nice ships, not so many though(they were a "minor" nation). I'm sure they could be implemented in the EU tech tree(when it will be implemented) Still I think they'll have a hard time finding enough high tier BBs and especially CVs, including paper ships; I already have a hard time thinking about German or Italian tier X CVs...

RC_8015, on 22 November 2013 - 02:38 PM, said: And this ship from this post must be manufactured and finished about the year 1995-1999 i would say. And thats way too late for this game. Make it 10 years earlier (1985), anyway she's obviously not a candidate for WoWs.

Raider_, on 21 November 2013 - 08:11 PM, said: Is the ship still in commision? She's still commissioned, last month she entered Taranto Naval Arsenal for maintenance works, so currently she's not operative. It's almost certain that she'll serve as helicopter carrier after the Yanks will finally fix that expensive piece of crap the F-35B.

RC_8015, on 21 November 2013 - 08:52 PM, said: I guess, now that the alpha started, there will be a bit more information published about ships, gameplay and so on. Hopefully more about the different nations. I don't see how, aren't they bound to that "NDA"? :trollface:

oyodo, on 20 November 2013 - 10:11 PM, said: Fletcher's NEED to be part of the game. What level can we expect? Tier V? Tier VII at the moment.

Irvine81, on 20 November 2013 - 04:41 PM, said: Ok, correction made Sir. :honoring: Nicely done! Camiroq, on 20 November 2013 - 04:40 PM, said: Carrier looks nice and even beautiful, but AV-8B Harrier II for me is little weak compared to the other aircrafts of this period. As initially intended they were mainly supposed to intercept Soviet bombers with AMRAAMs, the Italian navy fields exclusively the AV-8B+ variant equipped with APG-65 radar; eventually the end of the Cold War meant that this radar was kind of dead weight but whatever...

Irvine81, on 20 November 2013 - 04:12 PM, said: the Eagle and the Hawk Translating "Aquila" and "Sparviero" sounds just wrong to me. Besides that everything else looks good. I've always been fascinated by the fact that our carriers' development had a lot of parallels with the USSR, this ship resembles the Kiev class in several ways, they're both hybrid cruiser/carrier designs equipped with several missile launchers, including antiship supersonic cruise missiles, with a focus on ASW and air interception.

Daimon_Frey_89, on 19 November 2013 - 07:44 PM, said: Hope that it's visible enough when you enlarge it. Possible mistakes, any corrections tomorrow. I wanted to mention it before, there's a typo with Shimakaze's name. It looks good besides that.

BelRiose, on 19 November 2013 - 07:15 PM, said: Giulio Cesare's guns were upgraded in 1937 (don't konw if replaced, but they pass from 305 mm to 320 mm...), not the guns of Royal Sovereign. They were not replaced, they bored and relined the original guns. The BL 15 inch Mk I remained competitive during both World Wars so there was no real need to upgrade it.

mr3awsome, on 19 November 2013 - 06:23 PM, said: And it was decommissioned so early because the Russians didn't do a very good job at maintenance>implying the Brits wouldn't have decommissioned her anyway in the blink of an eye. By the time she was given back they were already done scrapping the Nelsons.

Deamon93, on 19 November 2013 - 05:53 PM, said: I guess they are just assigning the tier to the ships. I don't know the Japanese destroyers but i think there could be parallel branches even for just a tier(as they did in WoWP for example). I'm not sure of course. I'm not familiar with WoWp, do you mean something like parallel branches which converge at some tier? I don't really like similar solutions, there's little incentive in trying both branches.

mr3awsome, on 19 November 2013 - 05:10 PM, said: DD Fubuki to tier 7DD Yugumo to tier 8 What happens to Kagero then? They just happen to be somewhere between Fubuki (following destroyers were less performing because of treaty restrictions) and Yugumo in terms of performance... another line?

SlabakBG, on 19 November 2013 - 09:39 AM, said: Can you please explain for those who don't understand ships very well... what is the tech level of tier 1 ? What do you exactly mean with "tech level"? Technological era? Japanese and American trees have training cruisers from the 30s as tier I, relatively modern ships but not designed for combat.

Deamon93, on 18 November 2013 - 10:21 AM, said: About the second part in italian we define the destroyers as "cacciatorperdinieri" which is the italian translation of contre-torpilleur. They were designed to face torpedo boats and other smaller destroyers although they were technically able to face larger ships thanks to the torpedoes. We prefered the MAS in that specific role(similar to the PT boats) or our frogmen I know (I'm Italian too and I speak some French), but the term contre-torpilleur was restricted to 2000+ tons ships dedicated to anti-destroyer role during the 20s/30s (French never decided how to name destroyers, changing and/or resurrecting classifications every 2 or 3 decades). Smaller ships, like Adroit class, were called "torpilleur" despite being significantly larger than original torpedo boats.

Achyluss, on 10 November 2013 - 11:46 AM, said: nice video , ship looks really cool , but the computer system they got looked like an old commodore 64 :teethhappy: And I'm sure it's several times more trustworthy than Windows 2000 (courtesy of the silly Brits) which comes with PAAMS. Anyway, it's common for ships to keep outdated hardware and software if they never received major overhauls of their electronic suits.

Maybe you should have mentioned earlier in the post which nation built this class of destroyers, for people unfamiliar with Italian "Leone" doesn't necessarily mean anything and you mentioned her (crew) nationality only in the last part. Except for this little detail it was a nice and informative article, thanks. Deamon93, on 17 November 2013 - 02:49 PM, said: Technically was designed as a scout cruiser and this class was designed to own other destroyers with a firepower beaten only by the Porter class almost 12 years later. If you chase a Leone-class with a destroyer you risk to die fairly quickly ;) And that's where the "contre-torpilleur" appears.

mr3awsome, on 17 November 2013 - 10:00 PM, said: This should go in the Historical section... I think so too, maybe some mod will move it later. requiems, on 18 November 2013 - 07:54 AM, said: Not your fault lord as this is what ppl are having to resort to bump their numbers.But alpha has already started, sure our recruitment thread hasn't been closed yet but that's probably just a matter of few days... EDIT: I called it, alpha recruitment is closed for now.

mr3awsome, on 15 November 2013 - 09:06 PM, said: Yes, but it was a while ago it might be worth re asking Well, I went and asked it. It looks like the original question was asked six months ago and the answer explicitly mentioned this was only a momentary arrangement, I guess it's fine asking again.

mr3awsome, on 15 November 2013 - 06:48 PM, said: Hiryu is a preset of Soryu.Uh? Is it confirmed by the developers? She's 2000 tons heavier and her island is on the other side! mr3awsome, on 15 November 2013 - 06:48 PM, said: And they won't add iconic things as premiums (LL or captured excluded) as it would annoy many people Yeah, because M60 isn't iconic... whatever, setting aside my WoT butthurtness, I guess we can count on Unryu as "non-iconic" equivalent of Hiryu, but if Hiryu is really balanced as tier VII then Unryu could hardly become a tier VIII...

Deamon93, on 15 November 2013 - 06:12 PM, said: Kaga premium? I hope not, i would like to sail with her without spending money ^^ I would like to drive an M60 without playing clan wars but we can't have everything in this world... after all there aren't many alternatives for tier VIII premium CV, besides Kaga I was thinking about Hiryu seeing how she's an improved Soryu (currently tier VII) or maybe Amagi but she would be virtually identical to Akagi...

Daimon_Frey_89, on 15 November 2013 - 05:26 PM, said: what other choice do we have than to add 3rd line? Tier 8 premium?

bart28, on 15 November 2013 - 05:21 PM, said: nice ship but no fire power The real issue was the bribery behind her acquisition at the time... inside the Black Sea there's one big dog, the Russian Black Sea Fleet (they even decided to move the nuclear cruiser Peter the Great in the Med some days ago, Ivan is really caring a lot about Syria), it makes no sense to start a weapon race against her, while a frigate like this one fills well enough whichever role Romania could be required to have in some international mission and the likes.

Daimon_Frey_89, on 15 November 2013 - 04:36 PM, said: They are still there as far as we know. Kaga will be in third line I think (and in this style I will make tech tree so mr3awsome if you think otherwise tell me please). There are already plans for a third line? Now I want to see which (paper) ship they'll pick as tier X. :trollface: I suspect it could be G14, but I wish them good luck finding something about her besides some vague specifications (50,000 to 45,000 tons displacement, around 63 aircrafts and probably an armoured deck), considering how the Japanese wiki says that details are unknown (she was substituted by G15/Taihou Kai for which drawings and solid specifications do clearly exist, she's the only tier X Japanese CV that currently seems a realistic design to me).

Daimon_Frey_89, on 15 November 2013 - 04:15 PM, said: After this, I'll have to add IJN Kaga to tier 8. What happened to Shokaku and Akagi?

Thanks for sharing these pics, I have to say that this is a funny ship from a certain point of view: she's a training vessel but she's also the largest (5500 tons) ship of the Algerian navy right now. Soummam was built in China in 2006 and she's the single unit of her class (she's similar to the PLAN training ship Zhenghe but 20m longer). She's equipped with Type 360 and Type 363 2D air/surface radars, Type 347G and and Type 344 fire control radars, 1 x AK-176 76mm gun, 2x Type-76A twin 37mm gun and 2 x AK-630 six-barreled 30 mm rotary cannon, her maximum speed is 22 knots . As you can see from the platform in the pictures she can carry one helicopter. I think this ship is part of a larger naval expansion that Algeria started in late 2000s which includes the acquisition of MEKO frigates, Tigr corvettes and newly built Kilo subs. There are a lot of rumours about other possible acquisitions including FREMM frigates.