mtm78

Yes, that is why you St Louis and your Phoenix have the same damage as your Isokaze, it's because the cruisers are absolutely garbage and only your exceptional skill has enabled you to do the same damage as in you do in your highly overpowered destroyer

Who want's torpedo's nerved? Maybe people want the mechanism which delivers them changed, which is totally not the same Ye between obt and release there wouldn't a wipe is what they said before. Edit: updated the first post with information about captain skills on the asia server ( keeping two captains with free skill points based on your participation ) while on the EU server there is no such mention at all.

Isn't a reduction of a radius indicative that the radius is smaller

That is on the EU portal, that's not even close to: on the asia portal. Nope, they did always say they would go obt with two nation ( I think next patch will include the missing carriers ).

You're right that the numbers are kinda meaningless until both trees are complete and the MM creates balanced CV games. But so far they don't look to support the performance is as intended. But we'll see.

Play in division with me, I'm usually in the Forumites chat channel, password is play4fun

One anecdotal video isn't in any way near proof for something, not when there is actual numerical data available.

Do you think your a good Gremmy captain? Good enough to give people advice? Not using torpedo's on Gremmy should be considered a crime

In Dutch there is a saying which goes like this: You shouldn't wake sleeping dogs

I forgot to add it's also time dependent, if you wait longer you will recover less. I think there was a pretty good post on this from a ST but I recon it's in the newcomers area. Sadly there is a lot of information but it's not really 'indexed' in a way which makes finding it really easy. And I didn't correct you I didn't even notice your post before I pressed reply I must have missed you had already posted i get that pretty often when typing a reply ;)

Light damage get's the most % recovery, moderate damage the least, heavy damage can not be repaired. So getting a citadel shot on a BB is the best way of dealing with them, as they can not recover that hp.

___Y___, on 09 June 2015 - 04:57 PM, said: I think this guy is the boss of bashing cv's lobby we are on the same side mtm78, we prefer ca's, mmm wait u didnt test the cvs, u should have too buddy, its cbt Actually I think I am liking destroyers just as much as cruisers, and battleships aren't that bad either. About playing cv's, maybe I would if it had some more appeal to me but it doesn't at the moment. Maybe somewhere down the road that will change ;) ___Y___, on 09 June 2015 - 07:49 PM, said: Cmon guys just saying give time to WG, i'm sure they work hard to balance the game and we will have fun on release, dont be so hard with them, this is only CBT, if you whine after release i will understand, but we are far away from that, even in OBT they will work hard on it, we test the game for all of us (including WG staff), we provide feedbacks for the future of the game, we help WG to make it better, we are testing this for all the players who will come after us Do you really think that WG want a broken cv gameplay or an unbalanced game, trust them, be patient and keep going to play to provide stats and positive feedbacks They don't only need positive feedback If you continue posting in bold and large font I will start ignoring you, it's bad etiquette and enforces the idea you're a troll. Ishiro32, on 09 June 2015 - 04:43 PM, said: I wrote in this thread I think 3 posts. One snarky gif at the start about mag drops, then I think I just talked that I like damage whoring, but I would love for the alternative to be a thing and now 3rd which is cumulated response to all I have read today about CVs on this forum. Read what I wrote in that wall of text, those all my gripes. When someone talks about details he does not know, when we are taking into account only top tier which is using unicorn division and broken ship and fact that we once again had arty comparison. I think you are forgetting that I am one of those who is constantly talking about rework of the fighters to actually make them useful and even in my fighter thread I mentioned nerfs to one hit potential of the TBs. I am more than capable of calm discussion, but not with this volume of garbage. As for what you wrote in difference in tiers. Biggest difference is environment. I wrote about it in my IJN impression and how does it change. Plane speed, speed of the enemy fighters + really big jump in AA power around tier VI + CA panic button + addition of the DB changes a lot. Hiryu for example right now is one of the most painful ships in IJN line in my opinion. Tier IV is really kid gloves and new players are struggling on it... wel because they are new. A lot of the garbage is because some people resort to ad hominem or are just constantly dismissive, and the people victimized by that sometimes retaliate in kind. Then the thread spirals out of control and BGV needs to step in and clean it up before it get's back on track. Also a purge would make the constructive discussion easier for new people as they don't get carried away by all the 'irrelevant' posts. Sorry if I made you feel I was considering you as not part of the constructive criticism, I didn't intend to but I'm really sensitive to context ( I'm autistic ). So sometimes if you say something I have a hard time of putting into the correct context unless it's visible from the same post or really fresh in my memory. So again, my apologies if I did that. Actually reading back, it's pretty clear I did so the apologies are justified and I hope you except them. I agree with your points though, except that in my experience on lower tiers I don't have such a big problem with torpedo bombers even while AA is much lower the speed of the planes makes avoiding the drop easier and I rather avoid torpedoes easier then have more AAA to shoot planes down. For all I care all his planes can live as long as I only get hit by a single torpedo, I rather have that then taking out half his squad or more but only after they dropped and shotgunned me with 4 or more torpedo's. Which I admit, points out that I often get caught with my pants down ( no CA near with a panic mode ) but is that my fault or MM/tech tree/reward system making CA's be better off going for damage then protecting their battleships? I don't play battleships much lately either while it was the first line I grinded for. I wanted the biggest guns since I thought it would be the most fun, but the focus off tb's ( which are my hard counter so working as it should ) is making it not as fun as I am having with cruisers and destroyers. And even I, who advocates team work pretty consistently on this forum, know that as a cruiser it's a gamble to go for AAA support and will almost certainly give me less experience then even a draw/defeat then if I focus on doing damage myself.

You're still a bit above me and I kinda like the Murmansk and considered myself above average in it. So no, I don't think you suck edit: 'a bit' being more than the difference between your Murmansk and you Phoenix

I remember the last thread like this to get junked a lot sooner, didn't understand why though. It's not like it's harming anyone or disrupting anything except my dull moments

Your avg dmg in Murmansk is only 7k higher then on Phoenix, I will call you a pretty stronk player

Thonar, you actually have a point when you say it will nerf battleships IF only manual control would be possible. Since then you would have to select the exact secondary you would want to use and only that one would be firing. That would actually be a nerf to battleships UNLESS they make that manually controlled secondary as accurate as their counterparts ( main armaments of cruisers and destroyers ) which atm they are not. I actually am just assuming the secondary surface guns work the same as AAA, with an aura not even taking into account angles, since this is an arcade game and too much tactical depth is bad for balance... Also, it would ONLY be a nerf if the subsequent whine from bb's, who are getting swarmed and can't defend themselves against more than one ship, won't 'force' WG into making the other secondaries fire automatically again. So yeah, it wouldn't be a nerf, as in your proposed state it just wouldn't work within this meta. Wolfpacking Battleships would become the best thing ever with only one manually controlled secondary ( which is what you asked for... ), and the fix for that would only break the game even more. So no, just leave it as it is now, best compromise I guess ( within WG's meta ).

Ahh sorry I took it as favoring one class over the other across the board, with the reference it does make more sense

Enable replays if you haven't done so already -> http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/11679-replay-function/ Also if you keep having it, maybe add in a pingplotter -> https://www.pingplotter.com/ Pingplotter has to be running during the game in your replay, you can then make a screenshot or save the results to a file. You can post that here, or send it to support through a ticket. For that click on the support link on the top left of the page, log in if you're not logged in already and create a ticket. Before sending it to support, make sure to check with pingplotter if there are no networking issues outside of WG's servers btw.

Depends on the tier. A cleveland should still loose badly vs a fuso in a 1v1 with equal captains. My Des Moines is not likely to win vs my Yamato in a 1v1 ( because I'm a bad DM captain I guess... idk ). Now if it's not a 1v1 and the battleship chooses to not focus fire me first, I can do butloads off damage in a short time and I can do that the whole match. Sadly competent battleship captains will take out cruisers when threatened first, and a cruiser has no way of dealing with that as it can be blown out of the water in 2 salvo's ( unless cruiser is able to dictate engagement by distance and obstacles, or as pointed out when it's an IJN and the battleship has forgotten it has torpedoes ). Still there is something to be said for both sides. edit: But, we are getting off topic and can better continue the bb vs ca discussion in a different thread

I do hope the Bismarck class premium will be available to test during CBT, so I can test her for 'free'

Good points. Same. I don't have an answer sadly, but thank god I'm not a game developer so gladly I'm not supposed to have one. I hope WG pulls it off though, and to aid I can only give my opinion just as everyone else. Those who are able to work them out and offer a foundation for them are of greater value than those who don't , especially if the 'opposing' side doesn't seem to have any relevant counters.

About balancing around the best or the average player; I would say the best. Which is strange as in WoT I previously argued for the other option. But if you balance for joe average while knowing how good players will then be able to reck people, you're not doing justice to the people on the receiving end. Ps. the difference between lower tier and higher tier is the speed of the planes and their ability to get to your side and shotgun you. I don't see many cv captains on lower tiers capable of it, I assume it's the speed difference but I am not 100% sure.

Some of the arguments you seemed to disagree with where not that plainly wrong in my opinion, or I am mistaken you with someone else ( don't think so ). And your constant defense of those points with trying to attribute other people's opinion on that same subject on insufficient knowledge is not helping. Which is why I posted the image. I agree I shouldn't be talking like I know everything, I clearly do not. But I might be able to know enough to have a valid opinion. Especially if that opinion is shared with others, some of which have without a doubt the experience you seem to crave for and yet they still have the opinion as me. Nothing personal

Those ideas are not bad imo.