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Try that with a Russian BB even with AP you do multilple overpens each salvo, and when really getting rushed so really close range I've killed DD's from full HP with one salvo of AP. Don't lie, that was just me and my echo chamber Seems that way, glad we got it sorted out. I got nothing against ST btw, they do their tasks the best they can, it's not their decision to ignore or listen to feedback. Well there is a reason I got so mad after meeting an Enterprise with a hard on for my lolibote, and I didn't get mad and quit my session after meeting a Hosho or what not, even when those low tier CV's seem to be more influential in winning games it feels like they still offer some ways of damage mitigation ( or so it feels ). It is this feeling about having an influence, having a way to mitigate attacks, which I find very very lacking atm. And no I don't think it's the same as getting bum rushed as BB by a destroyer, basically that's just good play from the destroyer and more importantly bad play from the battleship player being in a position where this can happen. What a carrier does is not related to positioning since they can strike the entire map with unlimited fuel so they can even just annoy you by keeping you lit up ( just as in the past, another point of REEwork which imho isn't fixed at all ). If planes had limited range or staying power ( fuel ) I would be far less bothered with current implementation. Now tell me, start the game, do you like what you see? edit: Well AA sector reinforcement is something I like, it makes AAA more interactive at least as just pressing a button if you also have to right click your mouse and look in the general direction of the planes. Problem is the level of interaction, the results of this interaction and what CV player notices from this interaction. Flak should be thrown up in direction of player's focus, so enemy player has to dodge action initiated from other player. Continuous dps is just automated, doesn't offer anything, and current interaction between flying planes and being in a ship feels to much like it's all automation and player actions have less effect as they should have.

I left before you joined perhaps? I don't remember you, I think you were in the group joining right after I left. Are you trying to imply I am lying? I was in there for one and a half years but alright. We agree on submarines, that's nice :) It is the best AAA destroyer I have, at least she was when I unlocked her. And yeah I do get it could resolve in a discussion where it's just Grozo not living up to her name anymore, another way of WG to get people to grind the new lines or buy a Kidd / Friesland I guess :( While this is true, and CV's are also played by very bad people so it isn't 'bad' in each game, when you meet a good CV and you're not in a Kidd or in a Friesland, you can't tell me you like how rocket planes have added so much value to the game I bet? This has a core issue which you might be right about, I still go to much alone and try to do the same DD things I used to do, or the same old flanking cruiser thing. It just doesn't work that well anymore and this bothers the hell out of me. Someone told me the core gameplay has not changed since I started playing again, but ow boy do I disagree. Seems you can hold your own, maybe you did think I was shaming you, I was just saying I am still glad I left. This discussion gets to me, I really liked the 'old game' and I am not sure I am still liking it now. I hope you understand, I invested a lot in this game hoping it would keep me engaged for a long time.

Wow and you claim I was the one 'attacking' people? Figures edit: I said literally that I am glad I left. That does not shame you does it, you seem to agree with development direction so your feedback would be something they might find more 'useful'.

So that IS your personal view point, alright. And no it wasn't shaming you, are you ashamed of being in ST Here you go again, Enterprise vs tier X AAA destroyer with all AA modules and aft has absolutely no counter play options at all except running. So you can drop this line about having to spec for AAA, it doesn't matter. I played some clan wars after REEwork? What? You mean clan battles without carriers? What the heck you talking about.. So why you keep repeating I need to spec for AA? Did you just assume I was some dumb guy complaining about perfect balance because I don't understand the game? Don't make me laugh. Attacking? You mean telling you you're wrong which you seamingly can not handle? Like your constant whining about people needing to SPEC FOR AAA right... And this is why I make fun of your arguments, you seem to think you should tell me how to play with my team, and that because I don't like playing broken ships I can't claim it's easy when I just posted the screenshots of what the sudden move to play a CV does with player performance. This was even one of WG's goals with REEwork and while they claimed it lowered this sudden skill increase it doesn't really look to be the case. You know, actual numbers instead of "I have a different opinion" .Stop making so many assumptions just so you can support this state of gameplay. Are you quoting overall stats or post REEwork? And why are you not using Mapple, you know which tracks all players, instead of wows-numbers which only tracks people who have ever been searched on the site ( or did they change this... ).? You also ignore that a> you don't balance around bad players, it means the good players in this thread will still be outperforming them by such a margin this rebalancing is pointless. b> overall wr of CV's is now probably filled with a lot of players playing them for the first time. There is plenty of evidence proving how broken they are in the right hands, so your overall stats are quite meaningless. Wait, it doesn't matter what you quote for time period, if you can't interpret the numbers anyway. Lower overall dmg is nothing I care about to much, if that damage and who they basically counter has shifted from battleships to destroyers. Sure dmg goes down if they are better off killing enemy destroyers instead of battleships, but hey let's give even bad carrier players a shotgun so they can kill even the best destroyer players with zero counterplay options. It's all automated, you take X k dmg each rocket barrage and eventually you die. That's not how destroyers should be played, CV's needed at least some skill to cross drop destroyers. which weren't total baddies. But hey RTS was sooooo bad because battleships got devstruck to much right? That doesn't imply I want RTS back, but I sure as hell think this change has not made the game better at all, it made it worse. I was giving it before you got into ST, and we still got this .... we got now. Battleships are still getting fresh diaper after fresh diaper, destroyers need to multitask more and more and get even more 'jobs' to do with the science fiction submarines moving at a speedfactor of 3 submerged relative to the other classes, CV's are easier to play ( ow don't take my word for it, listen to the people here.... ow wait, you got a different OPINION right? I don't think you REALLY want a war... Wow... what a surprise Maybe CV's don't think you're a threat so they ignore you?

No it's not, if CV still gives more control over win or lose as any other class, regardless of the average damage which is a crap measurement atm since CV's went from alpha to chipping away and thus shifted dmg to destroyers and cruisers where using this implementation of CV's even the bad players can stil reliably dmg them because of the shotgun rockets ( nauseating, having zero counter play options ). Guess what has more strategic value, chipping away at DD's or chipping away slowly at battleships? *edit I didn't want to imply this screenshot is from a bad player, he is certainly well above average to even good. That statement was in general, and I don't want to look at more of my screenshots as it really does make me physically sick looking at them. I know this is one screenshot, but I've been taking them every match I'm in. They all show the same, and yes idk when those 30 games are played but I sure as hell don't buy it it was his first game in that ship after all the recent changes. I won't even posts the screenshots detailing how much wr boost players seem to be able to gain when using tier IV's... it's disgusting.

And just to leave this here -> Total succes. Sudden skill increase with carriers just as bad, BB's got easier to play, destroyers got harder to play, and

Sure I can upload some Blyskawica games, or Guepard games or Vaquelin where I been almost constantly spotted when there are enemies in my range, because I'm herrasing them from ranges where I can dodge them untill my reload booster comes of cooldown and I can 1v1 against a DD with good results. Or do you want a Khaba game? I don't even run concealment on that and it's a destroyer right? There is a difference in CHOOSING to do so because you need it to fulfill your intended role in the game, and being forced to do so by others while also makes your contribution to the team worthless. So your comparison is as bad as it can be thank you very much. "You didn't think" doesn't mean much to me, as it's exactly what people got from your post. DD's were playing it wrong if they thought running and hiding wasn't already part of their gameplay And if you want to shoot down planes you need a cruiser ( lol... ). I am not going into those discussions with hidden profiles, history has taught us it's a dangerous route to take. And they don't, which is why a broken tier 8 premium CV can wreck my tier X Grozovoi for 20k direct and 10k spotting damage for an entire game and survive the game as only enemy, giving a 52% wr 2k games player a 66% wr in his carrier. Maybe you should not try to focus on what you perceive to be ad-hominem, but on having actual arguments which hold up under even the slightest of scrutiny.

Totally off topic discussion nothing to do with the economy, so safe to ignore if not quoted or mentioned

I did not mean you, I meant most people in general do not understand what autism is, and thus have no idea what the consequences are. The lecture was in no way meant for you, I used intentionally. I been living with autism for over 40 years, and my son is 12 now, guess we both have a lot of personal experience in the matter. Make sure your boss doesn't see you spending time on 'silly' things like forum when you're on the clock, and have a pleasant evening :)

Have you read some of the 'staffs' posts? They can be as snarky as the rest of us, they just usually don't because they have to behave while representing uncle WeeGee

Lmao. Speedboost -> planes still faster, and even if they weren't speedboost is temporary Hiding -> so being forced to not participate is a valid game option for you? Staying with AA ships -> You mean DD's shouldn't screen, go for caps, spot and you know try to win the game by playing the objectives is wrong, that the objective should be: stay with your AA ships ( which is bs, grozovoi is supposed to be an AA ship I shouldn't need others to protect me. You call that the core selling points of DD gameplay? Can you show us how it's done then perhaps? Post some replays from your games where you showcase how 'DD gameplay' should look like. Or unhide your profile maybe?

Your perspective is not mine, if you post yours I post mine that's how this thing works. And someone said: many autists are actually clever, and you jump in say this is a myth. So yes, I am relentless is saying that it's as much a myth as saying autistic people are retarded. You then mention your experience in a special school with kids having to wear protective gear and I just point out that those children do NOT have JUST an autism disorder. It's not that hard to follow what I said I thought but it seems I been wrong. And no, clever does not mean you have to be of above average intelligence, and even if it did, there are plenty of people in the spectrum who'd still qualify. That's like saying the average person can't be clever. The average person is less clever as an above average intelligence persona. but it doesn't mean that in each application the more intelligent person would come up more clever solutions to the same problems presented to them. You're more bothered by those references while I am not, it just shows the lack of understanding of what autism is in those people. Autism is nothing more as a brain which is wired differently, with different centers of the brain being more or less active while performing the same tasks as a neuro typical person. So even if everyone was Raymond, they would not be 'fine'. He was socially incapable of caring for himself,, that is what autism does, it does not mean that if you can count cards or do math really fast in your head ( you know what I already said, savants ) you can 'succeed' in life based on that. The social limitations of not understanding those unwritten rules and not understanding social queues or even body language is already hard enough, not every autist is Rainman and by god I wouldn't want to be either. But lots of people in the spectrum have an uncanny affiliation with for instance some programming languages / paradigms. Now if they would be good managers, probably not you need people skills for that, but a 'code monkey' can be a dreamjob for an autistic kid ( mine wants to learn to program games, so we're working with Gamemaker Studio doing small projects to get him te see what processes are involved in making games ). I don't get mad at people saying 'ow but he's smart he will be fine', I just tell em being smart or not isn't really relevant, even the smartest autistic person is still an autistic person. Anyway... I don't feel that you're getting at me, I just dislike communication problems and I thought/think that's what we're having for the most part ;) One of the small joys of being me is a certain lack of emphatic abilities.... but ye they might think we're actually mad at each other :) I'm back behind a proper KB now btw so I can finally type things in a way which isn't limited by my dislike for that small key bt keyboard actually only meant to start my htpc. Anyway, besides that lower emphatic ability, I also do think that AFK isn't such an interesting topic either so there isn't much lost here. Give your kids a nice hug, I'll do the same with mine, and I hope you have a pleasant remainder of the evening o7

shall i show off my autism and say thank you, even while my spidersense thinks your're not entirely truthful? I almost feel like that would be an insult but hey you're giving the option for a reason right... thank you for your understanding and your admittance 9ff being wrong. now before we get back on topic could you please tell me one more time how I am right, just because it would mean something to my son if he would ever read this lateron ;)

idk he didn't say most did he? he said he found out irl that many can be clever, yet you found yourself called for jumping in and trying to disprove his statement. no not many autistic children have just autism, those needing to wear helmets to protect themselves have more problems as only being in the autistic spectrum. that seems to distort peoples perception a lot, and you repeating this isn't good imo. as i said, 98iq tell me again my kid is not clever. he is not a genius but he is very clever and that does not need any correction. and yes my kid is a classical autist, he is just not retarded. i do understand your frustration, you just choose the wrong way of expressing it. anyway i cant even type proper responses on this kb so i am feeling a bit frustrated about seemingly being unable to communicate better... which is a trait much more associated witht e spectrum as 'not being clever'

are you for real. my son has an tested iq of 98 he's plenty clever' as i said sadly there are those who suffer from retardation but the myth is that this overlap is almost always there. asperger is in the spectrum, usually we actually are quite capable due to better developed language sections in comparison with other forms of autism. I understand for someone in a situation where this does not apply they might feel there is something to correct, but there is not; autistic people can see patterns easier in many cases. again this does not apply to autistic children who have another diagnosis on the side. saying autistic people are 'clever' needs no correction, as it only applies to those with normal iq's. My son is just as smart as the average kid, but he will see patterns and correlation in places others do not. even if he is not always right, the connections he sees always have an elaborate thought process behind them. a myth would be saying that many autists are savants; edit. sorry sounded way more hostile as I had intended, typing on small bt keyboard on htpc isn't helping either o7

yes, more as 3 bbs makes the game boring and stagnant. also nice arguments there btw. random mm is random, sbmm would be bad, and people should stop using mm monitor unless they are unicums which know how to use it and not abuse it because they cant understand why sometimes single numbers mean nothing. even that 28% wr Jean Bart player might get you a victory, but it will be random.

I am an aspy, my son has classical autism with an iq of ~100 so in no way a retard. Retardation is <70 iq,mine was tested around 130 when I was 17, it has no direct correlation with autism even if there are a large group with a double diagnosis. I do get triggered by people claiming bad players are autistic, especially if said by people who can't perform average themselves. I know people don't think about what they say or just say it to trigger someone, but it does make me angry even. there are enough aspects of actual autism I have to deal with, and I don't need to be abused by using fictional ties between bad players and autism; some off the best players are autistic ffs

I am starting to wonder, before I took my forum hiatus we could forward people for "quality poster' designation. Leo and Toby were obvious picks as they are always levelheaded and try to be objective and effective whille always staying polite; The more content I read from you the more I think you should belong to that group getting recognized as being such a positive addition to the community

maybe, spamming tier X isnt fun anyway for me so I don't bother doing it' but i know others who are ( muvh ) better as me who never play with premium unless wg gives some, they seem to be able to pull that off. I do know for a fact that I can make the income on tier X as with a tier 7 premium like Sims or Blyskawica, just because income scales with damage so well. Now my own avg dmg isn't high enough on tier X so I would not be able to sustain tier X spam without spending money but * think it is a good thing. more players also on lower tiers make the game more diverse.

Yeah I can imagine;; I think if I'd expected intentional foul play I might have turned pink not long after being pushed outside of my smoke.

excuse me what??? somewhat capable players break even without premium time at tier X, you just need some damage. It is harder making the same ammount of credits in a tier 7 premium as it is making it at tier X.

I am not bothered by having toxic allies, what value you put on their chat abuse is up to the one actually paying attention to it. afk people hurt my gaming experience, chat does not. I never lost because someone was telling some random other someone something 'bad', I have lost games where people been afk which might have gone different otherwise. Just wanted to point that out even while I agree with what you're saying otherwise.

not me specifically ofc, what would it matter if I look at them alone. But yes, upload to a replay site so people can check if there is a bug which occurs just by a few or only even a single specific player. edit... why is this thread suddenly active again... if I was on my pc I have nice holy thread resurrection images. afaik SO came back on this stating deto flag should be absolute, and this subject was no longer a debate.

Mhm.. must think about this one.. sounds actually plausible, were it not that I don't look forward to seeing this implemented and balanced through another 2 years of development time. I imagine that IF WG would do this, it would end up buffing BB's because 'reasons' and then WG will call it done.

I did land cit's on Molotov at those ranges but it didn't feel as reliable since he has more time to angle out. I didn't get cit's on Aoba at that range, just pen's. Even had issues with Furutaka at closer ranges, but he might been more angled.