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If he got a dev strike with 4 gun hits it was 100% a detonation. Yes there is a thing with shells damaging multiple compartments, but even if those IJN DD guns hit, penned all the sections and dealt full damage to them ( which is already not possible), there is no way game mechanics allow him to deal 48k dmg.

Meh I call my Atago sometimes a big fat DD since it can stealth torp ;) With the exception of Yoshino with 20km torps .... is a DD if you use that qualification right :) Neptune however does not fall in that list, it has to bad concealment. Which is not my concern at all, it's where they apply this damage. CV's are meant to counter battleships, not mainly destroyers. Sure if you got AP bombs it doesn't make sense just going for destroyers on enemy team... well unless you like to win games as destroyers have quite the tactical importance... or well they should.

I think I felt the same before those got added, I mean I had Neptune in port for a long time already... So it's not that, it's engagement ranges are longer while ballistics are the same = less effective. In smoke, Neptune is so big it takes way more blind fire damage, and if smoke get's torped you wish you had an Edin instead. Feels like Neptune is twice as 'fat'.

That's actually quite.. edit: I was thinking it might be my AS Bogue I had to use for grinding my ARP ships, but I sucked so hard playing CV's I can't imagine ever getting a real award in one...

It's ~9km iirc ( edit: nope nope nope it's 6.6 right? ) , wasn't it mentioned above. And yes, that's terrible. But for me it was mostly the concealment, with all the previous one's you can be a sneaky breaky light cruiser, and with Neptune I don't feel like a sneaky light cruiser I feel like a giant floating citadel which will explode when looked at funny ( though not by tier 7 IJN DD's :) ). That's just it, if I play like that I end up doing very insignificant damage. Most BB's don't give broadside to RN CL's anymore I feel, and what I did feel to be more significant damage in the previous ships was also more to destroyers or supporting cruisers. I feel I can't engage destroyers and cruisers on the same terms with Neptune, which just makes the while line progression feel very weird since Mino takes that a step beyond what the previous ships could do, it's just Neptune which suddenly forces you to play different.

My battleship damage mitigation was in relation to the total game, and since BB''s actually take most of their damage from AP I am quite sure that their ability to mitigate incomming damage per battle is higher as with destroyers ( IF enemy cv has a hardon for that DD, if CV only strikes once or twice to get DD out of an area DD can relocate and it's fine, but when CV just follows you from one side of the map to the other, your % danage mitigation will be pretty crap is my experience. I saved the replay to my desktop will watch it later tonight, thanks for the effort and replies. Most of my enormous dislike is because I do NOT like Enterprise... most other CV's are indeed much more manageable, and give me the impression that counter play is limited but still possible. Especially with gunboat destroyers which I like the most, since you got this 20s spotting debuf which means you can't rely on going stealth until planes reach your aerial detection range ( turning AA of is only needed btw if your AA range exceeds this, AAA debuf is still instant right?). Which is why I feel they are the most damaging against those. When sealclubbing in Kamikaze R CV's loose track of me and I have options, in Guepard or Vaquelin ( not spelled right, sorry ) I don't feel those options at all. You seem to think all destroyers are torpedo oriented?

No, that did not happen. A replay would show what happened. It's more likely he shot torpedoes for 48k damage as he took out 48k of your hp in a single salvo from his guns. Maybe you got hit by a battleship you didn't notice while playing, as what you're describing is just not possible.

How many of these been solo? Also-> Seems Neptune is not doing that well ( though they are all really close, closer than I think I seen them in a long time That is overall stats btw, this is top 5% Top players change it around, Neptune suddenly becomes one of the best. But again, I don't think many of these games are played solo at all. edit: That would make more sense as it bring the line characteristics back ( all of them have 'good' concealment and workable debuff ). A lowered citadel would only limit the punishment it takes due to being so much easier to spot. @ForlornSailor I haven't played Nep in a long time I don't have any replays from recent patches but that's mostly because imho it feels Neptune only does good in divisions. If you have a considerable amount of games in Neptune solo and still those performance indicators I would love to division with you and see what I'm doing wrong

Meh I could work Edin and Fiji is the highlight off the line but I can't grind Nep without getting a headache :( Also, firepower? If I could take out Edin and grind that in tier 9 MM to unlock Mino I would be sooo glad. Like how we could grind Yamato from Amagi since there was no ship in between. Neptune has a bad rep, and maybe those bad reps carry over to hard in my mind but I just can't stand playing her. edit: isn't Neptune like just above Ibuki in global wr? And while I could work with Ibuki even old one got me good results, Neptune in my hands would be absolute bottom of the pile.

Define relatively succesfully? That you only took 2k dmg instead of 5k/8k? Battleships can angle their armor and mitigate incoming damage compared to how much dmg they would take when sitting broadside. Can you mitigate around the same % of damage by evasion? I don't think so. Upload some of your replays showcasing this, I want to learn. Yes, everyone complaining was a noob right? Your arguments without actual backup are funny as hell but mean nothing. Show us, how easy it is.

Every RN cruiser I played is plenty gud man..... Except Nep. Nep is just a turd, citadel to big and exposed, not enough concealment and handling feels off compared with the ships before and after. Neptune doesn't need armor, it needs a lower citadel. If all the battleships except Russians can sit broadside without to much issues, why can't a Neptune get some lowered citadel love? And this is only for Neptune, the ships before are fine, and I think tier X as well. edit: Wait... since when has nep not been a turd?

That sounds way to scientific, can't we go back to just calling everyone besides ourselves baddies? Ok ok we can't. But, in my opinion playing has gotten worse. That's not 100% tied to worse players in playerbase, but more in less teamwork dynamics in teams now compared with says two years back. Many more 'average' players have detrimental effect on chances to win because they don't give a crap about it, they just care about their 'personal performance'. Which is taking away the main attraction of the game FOR ME at least. Which is that this game offered tactical ways of winning other than doing the most damage. As long as you did the damage to the right targets at the right time, you could win a game by sinking a single ship doing something important for enemy team ( like being in a good scouting position where it nullified your cruisers waifu's protecting them from angry enemy BB players ). When I press battle I somehow still expected to find most people in my team actually interested in getting a victory. But they are not :( edit: btw those tables need 100 battles minimum, so all those 20 games played Jean Bart owners I keep meeting aren't part of the statistics, and with their 24% and 32% wr I think the fact that they haven't played 100 battles isn't really relevant.

Well the obvious solution would to not spend a dime anymore on the game, usually when people complain about rigged MM they come to the conclusion it's not spending enough which makes MM put them with the 'bad teams' all the time.

Don't need a screenshot, you can't show names on it anyway so it's not real use. If there is btw, there can be only one valid reason -> it's important to WG to know how bad players are perceiving the game. I mean, there can't be value in that feedback other then that. Perception of the mainstay of their paying playerbase is actually quite important, so maybe we should wonder why there aren't more of them in ST right now Well that's a problem. If you really can't have fun while having what some would say 'outstanding performance' game, why are you still playing? I had ONE of those Sinop games, 186k dmg iirc with plenty of medals, and while it was nailbiting and I was actually sure we wouldn't be winning the game, we still did. For me it was fun, even if I felt really pissed off at some of the actions of my allies. That is what keeps me playing, those fun games. Stop worrying so much about overal profile, try to focus on each single battle as a battle on it's own, with no other strings attached. Trust me, I play 50% better myself when I am just focusing on the game I'm playing ( as opposed to being mad in general for rocket attacks from Enterprise being broken AF, or about submarines coming to the game for testing ).

It wasn't, it even said it wasn't I think somewhere. Though WG did buy or affiliate themselves with that replay site didn't you? wowsstats.org works still fine, but doesn't offer the same functionality sadly ( I am used to wows numbers so it's easier to track my own regression there ).

Hey don't put to much value on it, when you play frustrated you will stay frustrated or wel that's how it works for me. Relax, don't play focusing on overall stats, approach each game as it's a new battle which it is. Also, no I don't believe it's a scam or rippoff. I just think it is random, and most people don't trust random sequences because they focus on short time frames and then come to wrong conclusions.

Who do you think pays the most money to WG, muppets or good players? *I rather wish there was a limit for PvP, so to not create to much frustration with actual players. Yes, I do not think of a 24% wr Jean Bart with 20 games total as a player, I think of them as... a nuisance, both on my as on the enemy team. These people would be better off imho playing coop, and so will al the other players in matches they get in. It's one thing to buy a low tier premium and jump into the game, but tier 9 and 10? With ZERO experience in the game? That's asking for toxicity towards them Wargaming and you should stop putting the blame just on the players. Yes. But according to Wargaming, we should blame our self for not offering advice in chat to those players. We can help them understand you see, it's not their job to teach.. ow wait Maybe Thunderer is a bad ship? I don't think there are ST which are that bad at the game ( overall account wr ). It wouldn't make any sense getting feedback from players who can't even understand current game mechanics, their influence, and what changing them have for consequences, both desired and undesired. Wait, so buying stuff from WG makes you win less? Seems like bad business practice!

Nah I am pretty sure I got some Clear Skye achievements and I don't play CV ( except that one time I needed it for my ARP sheeps ).

Is there a dad joke even in matchmaking?

I can ignore @principat121 without issues, idk what's wrong. I did ofc remove him from the ignore list right away, as his content is usually quite fitting.

Can you cycle them again, maybe replace them with Kutuzov, Belfast, Imperator and Gremlin? I'm asking for a friend really, as I already have them

I seen Frieslands play excellent, but they require to be in a good spawn ( with enough allies willing to spot so it can smoke up and dakadakadaka ). A Friesland without a spotter isn't a threat really, even with the high HE dpm. If I were still sure I would be playing the game in X amount of time I would probably buy one just because it's the first Dutch ship, and I like playing lolibotes. Or I did like it at least :/

Which are? Is that why my Grozovoi suddenly sucks in shooting down planes, or is it just that I met people who used WASD to not sail straight into the flak? I have a Sims to... it's got DFAA and I think I shot down more planes with that then I did with Grozo... not that CV's were same tier but neither are the DD's. Ahhh shiet no real balance is yet archieved. Darn, I had such high hopes

Can you please, pretty please with honey on top, tell me which DD that is ( and plox, no Kidd or anything requiring money to be spend )?