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So you want to hide this data from the exact element off the game client intended to draw the UI there? Flash is the part which handles markers and damage popups, you can't hide ship locations from it if you need it to draw target markers? edit: I forgot a question mark, I don't want to sound like it's not a question.

Strange, the main weakness of it is actually dealing with HE spam. The armor is good vs AP even higher tier CA's with 203 AP but the HE will kill it. Even tonight I was killed because 5 CA's and a BB where lobbing HE at me and I couldn't kill the CA's quick enough. Eventually I took in total 60k fire damage alone. I rather people wouldn't, but unless you have trust in your own BB's when facing one on the enemy team, I would recommend wolfpacking it with HE spamming cruisers.

Team battles are coming someday I am sure but when exactly I have no indication I'm with you 100%, looking forward to it just as much as you seem to be

Lol you forget something: I know WW and if he wants to be honest for a change he will even admit that wasn't his actual meaning and that he wanted to get a reaction from other ST by provocation. Most people who know both me and him will be able to testify to this. And you not seeing what I see in the evidence which should be pretty clear, together with your closing sentence, shows clearly where this is originating from. But as I said, we're done, nothing more needs to be said as it's clear to me you're not looking for an honest discussion about this subject and frankly I don't see the benefits of continuing to post here and defend myself from these accusations. edit: btw just as closure; conceited has references to egocentrical and other of those designations. Which I know I sometimes display, but that's because of the Asperger not because I'm an 'ahole' ;)

I told you to stop lying. You said WW made a comment regarding certain individuals and that I failed to see this; the evidence provided clearly shows WW did not do that and your accusation is false. edit: Sorry for the arrogance; I'll rephrase: I would like you to stop lying. Better now?

But that's what we call team battles right?

As I said that is technically not really possible afaik. edit: To clarify; the flash interface is responsible for target markers, so it's not technically possible to hide this data from the flash interface.

Uhm no, the free one won't break because of encryption because it doesn't work with network packets but get's it's info straight from the BW engine. The engine needs to draw the UI right, this includes target markers and you can never prevent internal mods from accessing this data ( unless WG rewrites part of the BW client ). It's one of the paid versions which is rumoured to work with packet analysis ( not sure if true or not, theoretically it is possible but with current BW client architecture it seems a lot of work for something which can be done in a simpler way ).

@Meneleus: If you are unable to read the ffin posts and arbitrary forget a relevant one, don't post conjecture please. Says enough no? Sure, an alternate explanation is that we're on a high horse but having an alternate explanation IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING TRUE. If it was, this thread would not be needed ffs. Also.. http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/39469-the-end/page__st__120__pid__739398#entry739398 Yes, it was really not about ST his comments, it was 'individuals' which he clearly designated. Or this: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/39469-the-end/page__st__160__pid__739590#entry739590

That would fix an external ( packet sniffing and overlay creating ) 3rd party application. So now you encrypt the data with a session key, no more data to be intercepted. Application decrypts info and makes pretty pictures, then tells gpu to draw pictures. Oops... gpu call can be intercepted, and course and speed of ships can be gathered from intercepting these draw calls, after which an overlay can be created showing the lead indicator. I linked to some papers describing DX hooking and how to make simple overlays, it's not hard. The hard part would be converting the draw calls to usable coordinates and vectors ( I imagine, I admit I never actually made one of these ). ------------------------------------- In short; it would just move the problem a bit but certainly not prevent it. Another suggestion is to disallow all overlays ( this still won't work against cheats which rely on BW's modding api and are internal to the game ) but that causes problems with TS3 overlays/Overwolf and what not which relies on overlays for their 'enhanced UI'.

It should I agree, but it's not my decision to make. I use them because they are available in widely used and promoted in this forum mod collection. That means two things: a> WG doesn't disallow it b> a lot of other people have access and will be using it as well. Indeed. It's just that it is wrong imo to say there are no advantages over vanilla. It's up to WG to say which advantage is game breaking though, and none of the mods in Aslains pack are game breaking.

Uhm you're overcomplicating things prematurely. First let WG gives us team battles or even just official training rooms. We can make our own Historical Battles with training rooms, we can have competetive play with team battles. Your division battles proposal sounds like randoms to me, divisions? Divisions are 3 people, I don't want to choose 2 other people I want to choose my team. And this battlegroup thing, sure that is how it will work out in game, but do we really need 'division commanders' in an official manner? I already ask for focus fire and that works, and in team battles I will be playing with people who most likely won't need to be told to focus a certain target ( be it due to low hp, or giving his broadside or whatever ). Really, the basis is training rooms available to the masses and the rest will follow. There is someone VERY eager to set up Historical Battles but we need the infrastructure to do so. Ofc HB != TB but if we can do HB we can do everything else as well. As to in game tools required: none. Not in team battles, where a team can decide themselves if they need to remove a fifth wheel or something. Waypoints? That's part of planning, not in game. If we have an option in the first 60s queue time to interact with your allies and the minimap that would be sufficient even for 'last minute team battle setups'. Sub group commanders? Why? Do we really need them? A team can do this themselves with their TS setting up priority speakers and such things.

That is not fog, that is smoke ( from a smoke screen, not a fog screen )

I might be shooting myself in the foot here but it's not 100% true. Without the minimap mod, I have a lot harder time tracking enemies ( which ship is which icon, where were they last spotted? ). That heal ability mod is also handy though less influential I think. But the minimap mod certainly gives an advantage. The part about 'unfair advantage' is not mine to answer, but WG. For now it's not applicable, but I don't think we should be allowed to mess with fog. Sheb made some custom config adding more fog to a map and giving it a stormy environment. This map is a lot harder to visually track ships with ( so a lot harder to judge course and speed ). Now, 'normal' fog is just distance fog, but what if we get 'stormy' maps with dense fog? People modding the fog away will be at a severe advantage.

We demand respect because we give you the same respect in return, that is, until you start failing to produce foundations for your arguments which make actual sense

I think, and I've not said this before I think out loud because there was no need, but if you follow Sheb's post you can clearly see how this whole situation was for a lot of ST members. As I've said before on a personal note, he was the LAST person I would suspect of cheating. Then again, I did not offer for people to pm me with latest versions of the lead indicator because I thought the video didn't look suspicious ( yes, even to me ). I will repeat that I would be shocked if he did really cheat, he is on the forefront in fighting cheats not using it and in discussion about how I sometimes get hot headed because of 'randoms' in my team he is the person who is best suited to calm me down and put things in perspective. His character does not match what been put forth as undoubtable proof, and I am happy I don't have to decide either way what is true and what is not. I also said earlier it should have been handled different, but any talk about that is wasted because it can't be undone. The way to move forward is to quit projecting this onto the entire ST, there are ST member I bet who aren't even aware of what's been happening ( holidays/vacations ), and it's just not fair to make this about them as well. Yes I also been posting, I have tried to make it as factual and devoid of my personal believe's ( which I can't substantiate atm, their just feelings ). The only times I left those feelings show where in responses towards what I perceive as mindless ST bashing, and if you really want to hold that against me be my guest. Let's wait till monday at least, and then try to move on from there.

Cor3yBW read again that was a jest supporting your post not an attack on you ( btw WW = WiskeyWolf aka the Hate troll ( hey he came up with it, I just copied it from his signature )).

Hans apologized, don't forget that. Also, hans != ST, hans = ST member. Stop rustling my jimmies with making this broader then it is, worst case scenario one member of ST made a dubious decision and that should not be the end of ST's good image. Because let's be honest, to those who are now calling for his head, it has very little to do with the actual situation but more their chance to rain down on someone from ST because for them this good image never existed ( or if it did, it was a LONG time ago ). At least that is my impression, would love to be proven wrong.

Yeah I've come around, XVM is certainly not needed, but I still would like to be able to look up people's performance. Maybe not for in game, but for forum wars Can you imagine if people hide their stats and we suddenly get all those unicums posting how they don't know how to play and need our help, just to lure us into sleep so we're easier prey in game. I mean, we can't look up their stats so we have to believe them on their word. /me wonders how many will fall over this taking it to serious

Yes but please leave facts out of this discussion ok? They just having fun bashin on ST, nothing new except now they think they got a compelling reason and everyone will join in on them with the ST bashing. And btw, you WW, you're really something aren't you! First yesterday you bash ST, then I call you out on it, and you say it's not against all ST but some, and now you're back to bashing all ST. ps. I didn't see ev1n drop bye, you sure there was a 'meeting'? Might be that just 'ALL OF ST' was invited besides me, but somehow I sooner think you're just talking the same old nonsense and in the same old fashion. For me the most disgusting part of this situation is the reaction of a few people who seem to take this way to personal and are seemingly on a holy crusade.

edit: Trigger_Happy_Dad I am starting to see your point

/me turns on his cloak of invisibility

If anyone knows which mod 'should' be responcible for this indicator, since I have the replay I will try and recreate the video. PM me any links, we don't want this crap on forums.

No I don't think I said that at all and if I did I am now really unsure. Afaik the lead indicator does work in replays but I have to admit the last time I seen one it still had an xml file for configuration. edit: also, if I play the replay I see my own installed mods, if Ducat installed a mod for his thread and then opened the replay it would show that mod and he would be able to make screenshots of it. Some people I don't expect better off. Like this someone trying to twist my wrong designation into a display of 'knowledge'

Multiple != all