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To open for abuse. Also, MM is such that you shouldn't meet the same team in succession which would mean that with two teams in queue the whole team you would only get a match once. To prevent said abuse, that is. There shall be no pushing of rating or win rate for teams by trying to get into battles with 'booster teams' You can claim that won't happen, but I think you actually won't as you will have to admit that rigging is quite 'normal' it seems for people playing MMO's which sport leaderboards. edit: I voted 'other', I would like to see the times extended, but I know from players in top teams that sessions are really tiresome already ( I don't play as competitively I suppose so less pressure = not as much wear and tear? ) and extending the sessions during weekdays I think would not make them very happy. But maybe during weekends, the sessions could start earlier / last till later. Since MM is set up to not match the same teams this should be workable, but people will have to live with longer queue times.

The <sarcasm> bliss </sarcasm> of XVM is seeing there are people with 4k games and sub 40% win ratio even. I didn't make screenshots, I thought it would be to discouraging to have proof of this on my HDD. I even think my brain is consciously trying to make me forget the whole thing happened in the first place. The friends, like they were holding hands, one in Iowa the other in a Montana, over 4 thousand battles, and both had 39% win rate. On the up side they were not obnoxious. One of them even survived the match and got in the top 5 for XP. Must have been the match of his live Disclaimer, no ego's were hurt making this post, as I'm fairly certain no one who reads this forum will be able to ignore everything being written and sport a 39% win rate at 4k games.

Since that data comes from the XVM servers, no of course not. Eel dancing ftw

Only bad players think losing a battle with just 1300 base xp proofs their win rate isn't representative of their shortcomings. But, gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 will bite again

I was not, so I am looking forward to getting SGWA rolling as I will need to 'ease into it'. Luckily, I expect strangers123 to be a benevolent deity and guide us in the right direction

See below. edit: no wait; for you, XVM might help because if you're in my team I will choose to help a weaker flank with worse players than you? Or to support you since other flank has our other better players? If you're on the enemy team, XVM wouldn't affect you, not in a personal way anyway ( continued below ). XVM sniping is probably only really possible in carriers ( which I don't play, well ok some nitpicking nitwits might point to my AS Bogue for the plane killing missions, but that is NOT CV playing ). But, you can make tactical decisions based on XVM. Yesterday an allied Zao was asking for spots on a DD because he was afraid of our Yamato. The problem was, that DD could counterspot me and had a MK close by and a some more ships, and I was on low health. Our Yamato however had 6x% win rate and was angled bow on to where the Shimakaze was, I knew he was going to be alright and refused to risk my ship and instead opted to kill an enemy Izumo. Yamato then said: don't worry about me. I said; "I know, sometimes XVM can be useful". ( might have said bliss there, not sure atm ) If the Yamato was a bad player, I still would not have spotted, nothing would have been lost. But an average joe, he will be useful later on and the Shima might pose a real threat. Potentially trading my Kagero with an enemy Shimakaze sounds a lot better in that situation. It can also show me which flank I can safely ignore because we got most of our best players there already, so I can go support the other flank. Or vice verse, which flank is likely to fall over quickly. But focusing on the best players, that doesn't work ( unless you get your whole team to do it perhaps ). Because if that player is actually any good, he will notice the focus, angle and make sure you spend a lot of time shooting at something which is a terrible target to shoot at, all the while his team members have time to deal damage. And the difference between good players and average players imo is more about being able to read situations a bit and preventing making themselves to much an easy target, it's not in the ability to deal damage at least Every average player will punish people who are to focused on XVM sniping someone. And just to make sure, XVM imho is not bad, people are bad. Do not use XVM to statbash on anyone ( I will use it in response, but never to initiate ).

No, they appear to be because on incomplete dataset and incorrect assumptions because of failing to correlate win rate in RU ships vs win rate of individual players in other lines. The outcome might be right, the method of getting there is not.

The question about PVP battles is there only because having it and your performance in PVP battles gives a better indication on what level people currently are, so to better integrate proposed training sessions.

Jingles didn't even show the battle against ST team... I am disappointed, would have been nice to sink him on his own channel

I actually don't mind getting focused ( depending on which ship I am playing.. Kagero doesn't like getting shot at for instance.. ) but in almost anything else, as long as my team is halfway decent, trying to kill me will just lead you to lose the battle Ow, and not because I am skilled, it's just I pray to RNGezus a lot

Those are still limited to nation stats. Show me the win rate of those players in other nations. Maybe GE is attractive to more 'lesser skilled players'..... edit: and I thought you would leave out the premium ships... ;)

I see. So, because you don't care, no one should care? I am guessing but you might also not care about mathematics? Or physics? Or history? Should no one care about something you don't care about? I like stats, they indicate where I need to improve. I also like stats, because most of the time people in game who start calling others names ( like 'noob team' / 'idiots' and so on ) are bad players and that is funny to point out in game. "NOOB team, full of idiots!! You do XDEFSFRASF when you should do SDETFSWT!! Noobs, uninstall!" "So that is how you get 47% win rate?" silence.... "Stat whore!!!"

Meh that is a Dutch destroyer really, think it was the Middelburg...

I am using the current XVM release so I guess when I say something about it you could consider it confirmed

XVM doesn't show outdated stats, the moment you hide them you will have the 'doesn't show statistics' icon.

World of BoringBoats players

The thing is,they would not be much faster than an Iowa for instance. And they are so big their concealment won't allow them to be used strategically unless we get bigger maps. In current maps they would be entirely dependant on how the MM felt when composing team's.

edit: ps.,,

Like Chrysantos, I am also very interested in the actual numbers behind you reasoning edit: But I have to say; I don't like the hijacking of Flamu's thread here...

Ow come on don't be so modest People, if you see Noodle in enemy team, kill him first If I'm on the same team, you can ignore me I am harmless. I even don't take ammo with me into battles, I swear I never buy new ammo! And I don't shoot gold either, so no worries ok?

You are a bit too selective in quoting my post It would almost seem like I said you were right in your conclusion edit: and the only reason I can't agree with your conclusion is because the method of reaching it is flawed or at the least incomplete. You can't take global stats and present them as evidence. You need to correlate it with the players performance in the other nations as well. Sure, my Murmansk stats are of xyz level, but so are my Marblehead and Omaha. My Imperator Nicolai has a very high win rate, but my Arkansas Beta beats it. Kutozov has reasonable stats ( most of them btw are from live testing, not from after I recently bought it ), but afaik my Atago beats it still ( and my AFT enabled Mogami was even better ). I would not be surprised if this were the case for a lot more people.

I felt the same, especially because you only see enemy stats after they been spotted first ( which is GOOD think btw, don't get me wrong ). But seeing that 10 out of our 12 ships have < 50% win rate can be discouraging. On the other hand, when the enemy is spotted and you notice they have the same team composition.. XVM is also dangerous. There been games where we had 10 red's and me and another bluenicum in DD's and he asked to team up. I said, sure, we need to carry hard anyway. In the end, he came first in XP me 3rd but our entire team steamrolled enemy. Or games where you start with several good players and you think: should be in the bag this one, only to find out those 'tomato's' on enemy team are all having the game of their life XVM might not really be off help to me, maybe I play better without 'knowing' because actually, I don't know anything about how they will perform in that battle. On the other hand, plenty times I see low 40% wr players and almost always they die doing something stupid ( and then start calling the rest of the team noobs! ). So having XVM and knowing beforehand which players you can count out, that is something. The most use btw if when those players start mouthing off to the team and you're able to explain he is just suffering from Duning-Krueger

Gremmy is a pre order ship, just like Yubari and Sims. They will stay exclusive for at least a year after the game went live.

Can you show us your number crunching then, sources for your data you used for correlation between class/nation winrate vs overall player win rate? Nicolai is very good. But that is also because the enemies it meets ( and I don't mean the ships themselves ). Gremmy is special in that it wasn't nerved like the other RU DD's, being able to stealth fire from 9.7km is a great thing Murmansk is as far as I'm concerned not better than Omaha now, except for better rudder shift. And I think Atago is more useful in most situations then MK, though ofc MK is the best escort cruiser with his through the roof AAA abilities. The DD's are the only normal ship line, and as you say they appear to be balanced pretty well.