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The response was not aimed at you, why you try to imply those numbers have ANYTHING to do with you And there is, play lower tiers ( just like me, with a lot more battles then you and yet I still don't focus on playing the top tier only ). Your profile is hidden so while I believe you when you say you got the same average damage and what not, it's not really credible and can't be seen in context. If you play lots of carriers and bb's your damage should be higher then mine for instance, and average tier or even individual ships influence such 'comparisons' quite a lot as well. So claim all you want, it doesn't mean much since it can't be validated. What I am saying however, can be. Because it's not subjective. If you don't perform exceptionally well you should not expect your top tier ship ( that was the post I replied to yes, not any of your content in this thread ) to be profitable. And that is because of the business model of WG and any F2P game, you need to keep the lower tiers populated both by 'fun factor' and by 'force' ( especially for those who don't see the 'fun factor' in the lower tiers ). This 'force' comes in the way of economy, and it's pretty fair in principle. Average players without premium should be capable of playing tier 7 or 8 and breaking even, and with premium this goes up one tier perhaps. You should never be able to play tier X exclusively ( or even tier 9 ) without being an exceptionally well player ( since, statistically this group is very small and as such WG can not make the economy any harsher without penalizing the average players to much ). That is in theory, now in practise, for me personally I don't have huge credit issues when it comes to playing the game, but I do run a premium account and I am not an average player. And more importantly, my average played tier I think is still below 7, and I don't really mind that. I sometimes have 'issues' with having ships unlocked on multiple lines and not having the credits to buy them all at the same time, but that's imo a luxury issue. Now for your example, you roughly did your own hp in damage and that is not considered good for a BB ( but average ). You didn't sink any ships and you have 1 defence point, did you consider that a 'good' battle? For me it's a coin toss, probably closer to 'above average'. And there is this missing team list, if you do your damage to lower tier ships it's not weighed as heavy as when you do it it same or higher tier ships, maybe that played a role? And you lost, so yeah that's 50% less profit right there. And even on that loss you would have made even on credits if you didn't spend 45k on consumables. Sorry your example is just not that good imo.

Benden, on 18 August 2016 - 07:25 PM, said: It was VERY IMPLICIT that german ships would be part of that public test. So please... (hard to stay polite and not get ban ) You're contradicting yourself, implying something ( aka clickbait, which no one denies it was ) is quite common in public relations. If you watch some Axe deodorant commercials, you would almost expect the opposite sex to all come running for you from miles around, right? Or, will you not sue them if it turns out to be different? Also, right below that it says this: Am I missing the section about German battleships available for public testing? So, no I am not just trying to be a smartass, you just didn't read the entire patch notes and you failed to interpret the clickbait header as clickbait ( clickbait always IMPLIES something, but it's alway in a form where it's always ambiguous ). Anyway, there is an existing discussion about this here -> http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/58680-where-is-german-bb-in-public-test/page__st__40__pid__1213075#entry1213075 ( well and a bit before, but the important part starts there especially for those not as literate in English as others ).

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Actually that shows one of the weaknesses if you'd ask me, lots of damage but less ability to finish off low hp ships. The Isokaze would have been able to get the same damage most likely, but it's also more versatile since it has 3x2 launchers.

I seen Imperators in game who did nothing, missed all salvo's and couldn't move from spawn if their house was on fire. 'Bad player' behavior is not a trait we should attribute to the ship, baddies will die quickly in any ship they are in ( ofc, baddy in OP BB takes a bit more time ).

Your call not mine

I can't find no love for CT, but to each his own

Don't agree, I want players to get the same random matchmaking without having that much influence on it themselves. Level playing field and all

I am afraid that is the only way yeah, queuing up in a BB will not get me much games atm But, seriously, Cambeltown? 3 torps per side and you can stealth launch but barely ( and you can't exactly turn on a dime and use the second set on the same target ). I can't see how Cambeltown would be superior to an Isokaze ( well maybe if you're British )

Lol?

I dread meeting non potato players when sailing my Hipster, melted to many times in 1v1's with New Orleans which knew how to angle. Struggling myself as you can hear, I been advised to switch to HE quicker if targets angle ( and there is nothing better to shoot at )

Uhm I updated at 15:00 today or something, got my max download speed from the WG servers

Time to take out Imperator I guess

Well yeah that is why I said drying up of influx ( if the notion he gave is actually true, I want to be real careful about those kind of broad statements because even if I have a week where I don't get a single tier 5 max game I still can not be sure I'm just the unlucky outliner -> all my 'evidence' would be anecdotal ), and the remaining low tier population is probably 'us' who are grinding the credit makers / fun ships. For us with some more experience, we tend to know how to play when downtiered, the issue is less an obstruction to us then it would be for new players, so it would be logical if those new players would be the first to stop playing ( a certain tier ).

1- Most ships especially low to mid tier, are not that reliant on a super trained captain to be able to test normally. 2- Changes to ap shells normalization is a minor change right, because we never had an issue with such a 'small'' change causing issues on the live server 3- So you find a bug, but it's not worth to test things on PT, sounds rather counter intuitive if you'd ask me? ps. Who ever said YOU would be able to test them? If you just cba that's fine, but at least just be upfront about it then

If you think it is bugged -> 1. enable replays if not enabled before 2. make screenshots of the pre battle screen showing the concealment factors 3. add time index of encounters which seem to not match shown concealment factors of pre battle screen. If you find these moments, adding a WGCheck report should make the bug report ready to be passed on to the developers. Also, just to caution you, I'm very tired when posting this and I been 'out of the loop' for a few days so it might be an actually known reported bug at this time with just me not being aware of it But, I don't think this is the case.

Why not stick around tier V - VIII some more? There is no special trait for tier X ships ( other then always being top tier ). That is what I did when I got Zao with less then 1k games, well ok that also because of torpedosoup issues at the time, and later because while I enjoy being challenged I was disappointed with my own performance in her. Also, if you posses the drive to try and improve your damage, take a look at the link in my signature. Anyone who wants to improve is welcome to sign up and join the community! By looking through your ships I can see that your main battery hit ratio is rather lowish ( not terrible, I seen MUCH worse ) and I am thinking we should be able to improve there. If your hitratio goes up even a little, with the same play style, you will get higher damage games. And higher damage is a> more direct income and b> higher chance of helping the team to win the game and getting the victory bonus as well Also, please only hide your profile.. .wait I actually can't find a good reason to hide profiles ( I am not pro hidden profiles, and I'll explain why ). You obviously read the forums or you wouldn't be posting, so you know the usual 'OMG DD's are overpowered and carriers kill this game for me, WG plox remove CV's and nerf torpedo's!!!eleven1!11' threads, and you know who makes them ( BB Mafia ). Profiles allow people on the forum to get some insight in who is posting a certain statement. And since this is an online gaming community, sadly we also get some of the lower forms of life to visit us ( trolls ). That is also why I check people's profile when I don't know them, I want to know who I am talking to ( and since this is a WoWs forum, I don't need to know about the guy's tax returns or his blond ex wife, I just need to know the background info of what we are likely to discuss about on this forum ). In that sense, profiles easy communication here on the forum. Even more, when I was in cbt I wasn't a decent player really, but because my stats were public I was able to ask someone who did better then me to look for an single aspect in my gameplay on which I should focus. For me it was survival rate, I just died to much which meant I lost to many games due to not being able to continuously deal damage and influence the battle. So I started working on that, I still am I guess Which is why I wanted to be part of SGWA, to try and give something back to the community. I am still learning from players who are better at this game then me, and I hope I can give some of that along to the next guy. Also, not totally unimportant, the community is non restrictive, you don't have to do anything, it's not a 'clan' for instance. Take a look at our forums and join the in game SGWA channel if you're interested, or drop bye on our teamspeak server ( address is on the forums ). edit: changed a paragraph due to double mentioning of the same things.

If tier 5 is drying out and tier 6 in your experience is healthy, this would really be a bad sign ( influx of new players drying up ). But I think with the GEBB's coming and the announcement of the RNCL line ( along with all those other improvements ) it is unlikely we won't see a spike in new players soon. I am hoping we will be able to retain those though

I am actually quite an avid DD captain I am am certain it does take concealment expertise into account ( as I can see the rating change depending on which captain I put in my Kamikaze R for instance ). If you have this behavior you're describing I would consider it a bug ( and a very localized one as everyone I just checked with knows 100% the stats display at the time of writing is not bugged on their end ).

No, I don't want people to be able to even attempt piggybacking off others ( not doing much damage = sitting back hoping others do the work for you -> gross oversimplification to make the point clear ). Again, it is good for the game if you're forced to also play other tiers. There would be an issue if you're a decent enough player ( and you're a tad below average atm on your global stats ) and you're still actually unable to play one tier X without having to play a money maker to compensate. Anyway, I know of people who got over 700 million credits in game ( and no, this is live server credits ).. I know people personally who got over 200 million in their accounts, and they regard tier 8 as 'low tier' just to indicate the amount of high tier battles they play. Those people vastly outperform me, and their credit income matches the skill gap. So, like I said, some tweaking might be fitting, but it's not nearly as bad as it seems for you now. Maybe when you've learned more about the game and got some more battles in ( you're just shy off 1k games, in cbt when I had 1k games well let's say I had to learn a lot since then and I'm still learning every day that I play ). edit: btw for your personal profile page -> http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/518927879-GermanKiwi/!/pvp/overview/ These performance indicators are also publicly available to 3rd party trackers ( eg 'stats sites' like this one -> https://eu.warships.today/player/518927879/GermanKiwi ). If you don't want to have your profile publicly accesible, you can set it to private on that page ( first link I gave, there is a 'profile privacy' option there ).

Uhm those stats DO take into account captain skills afaik

Or, you can check if the average damage you do in your montana is up to par and if not, try to become a better player Just saying, less then 50k average damage on a tier X BB is not 'doing alright', you should be much closer to double that in reality, and that makes quite a difference in rewards. Not that good players don't have to play other ships ( see below.. ). Now once you done that and still get 'bad economy' issues at tier 10, go buy a premium ship or play lower tiers to support your top tiers ( as explained earlier, this is INTENDED and actually good for the game ).

So you're saying I should play her more

Adding to what noodles said, WG doesn't want to fine teamkillers for credits on a 1 for 1 basis as this will mean they will have to remove credits from the perp's account ( there is no way teamkillers tend to make enough income in a single battle to pay the fine otherwise ). And they don't want to do that, I am sure there is a perfectly valid reasoning behind it but valid isn't the same as 'fair in all circumstances'. So yes if you'd ask me, if you teamkill someone you should pay for the damage you done in full + something based on average performance ( since robbing team of a 'bad' player doesn't affect win chance for that match a lot, were it would for a 'good' player, in effect teamkilling good players is robbing entire team of chance of victory bonus ). Now. some won't like this distinction between 'good' and 'bad' and will ask for compensation just based on the actual damage. I guess that should suffice then don't you agree

Otherwise using imgur is a good option as well ( and my personal image hosting favourite ). The forum does have a max attachment size you could run into if only uploading to the forum directly