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No, Gearing has much better concealment and will push any IJN DD out from a cap or kill it. Kharb won't get close enough to spot before getting lit up like crazy, so it's niche is long range damage. Different roles? I don't think IJN after split will be really competitive with USN in gun department ( if they would, it's for me mostly another sign that the torpedo's as gameplay element are the victim of the 'simplification' in order to attract more players ).

I don't want to nerf those two DD's, I want to change them so they are more gun oriented ( while yes, losing torpedo orientation ). Anyway, sadly...

I rather they tone down USN tier 9 and 10 torpedo ability a bit as well. But sure, I am not against giving a means to defend yourself.

Well it's not even about running the game at those settings and fps, it's only about the loading. It's really an issue, if you're playing domination and two of your 3 DD's only start moving minutes into the game. I am not 100% sure, as I have indicated in earlier posts I have run clients from really slow HDD's ( WD Green's 5400 which is a storage HDD even when it was new ) and I still load in time. And I don't have such a new system for the rest either. So something might be wrong, the people I see in game who start moving minutes late might be playing on potato's, the might be just AFK and doing something else ( this falls under botting ) or they might have real issues due to some optimization bottleneck I am not experiencing. Either way, all of that is out of my control, so the only option I have is to generate a BOT report for those people hoping it will entice Lesta to fix the issue either by addressing real AFK people or by fixing the optimization bottleneck. The timer was longer before, it's been shortened since Lesta changed file packaging method and I think caching after which for most people loading times have been excellent ( like me ).

This I agree with but only if it stays somewhat 'reasonably' immersive ( eg. the movements still feel natural ). Having to speedy reaction on cruisers would mean DD's really will fly ( which might or might not be actually fun, idk ).

The configuration file ( minimap.xml? ) should have an option for both those ranges called "transparency", when set to false iirc you should get the dotted lines back. You can also re enable numerical value display ( I think it's off by default in the supplied config, been using a different one for some time now ).

That's good news for gun oriented DD's, which are spotted anyways. Well I guess the other part about moving away from stealth clearly indicate the direction of development even more clearly. That makes me sad. Torpedo attacks are not just meant to deal damage, it is as much about the tactical value/threat as the damage dealing ability. Torpedo's/stealth added depth to the game, necessitating teamwork to deal with them. A spotted gunboat is just another something to shoot your guns at.

Then Lesta has wrong minimum requirements making people play who shouldn't be playing ( to the detriment of their team, if constantly late in battles.. this goes especially for DD's and CV's which are essential to load in time and do their jobs for the team ).

That is exact;y my point How can I know if you do or don't? I don't see you every battle, so I HAVE to report you as bot and trust that if you do it often Lesta will pick on the amount of reports and investigate. ps. botting includes being afk in matches...

I grinded IJN DD's from the moment open beta started for a reason ( well more then one ) and that's mainly that destroyers/stealth and torpedo's add more tactical variety to the game. Remove that, or even tone it down in favor off gunplay, and you're moving more towards a 'tanks on the water' concept which to me is less attractive. The moment Fletcher is a better torpedo platform then Kagero, something is wrong. Worse even; it's universally better than Kagero. Hopefully the split will help, but even if they can make a suitable gun platform to 'compete' with Fletcher I also hope the torpedo variant will be by far the best torpedo platform compared with Fletcher. However, I know and accept that with the addition of new lines. the more specific 'traits' of nations might blur a bit.. so there's that as well Maybe I am just being to nostalgic about the 'old times' The one thing I don't agree on is the classification of 'bottom-feeder'. Why are DD's who are oriented towards torpedo's 'bottom feeders'? They are not intended to only harm those who don't use WASD hax, they are intended to be competitive even against those who do to some degree. And a lone BB vs any torpedo DD should be as close a match as a CV against a BB... You can call cruisers also bottom feeders in current BB heavy meta

You might think that, but you would be wrong. Fleet movements/formations is a GOOD aspect of the game, it depends on TEAMWORK which is the strong point ( or well, it's already being demolished slowly so not sure how long this will keep on going to be a valid argument... ) of the game. This isn't WoT on the water, with heavy tanks parked next to islands sidescraping and ..... ow crap... nvm, nothing to see here, moving on ps. CA's don't stay back because of planes, that's such a silly statement to make it made me giggle.

I am more worried about the DD changes, IJN split to add more gunboating when IJN was THE torpedo oriented DD line... yeah but that creates to much whine from the BB's, That also touches on CL's, some ships which are now DD's were irl more DD leaders which should be closer the play style CL's might have ( I might be wrong in this, but this is how I envisioned high tier light cruisers -> bigger DD's, with 6 inch guns, good concealment and manoeuvrability or good speed and mediocre turning ability ). But there is to much whine from the people who don't like depth of gameplay, or having to use their brain while playing, usually these players tend to play BoringBoats and they complain about anything ranging from smoke, HE, fires, torpedo's and CV's. Look where that whining has brought us

Shaka for Zulu I mean ofc President! Well said, and absolutely true.

I am sorry but these are BOT reports, not 'plays poorly'. Plays poorly is there just to blow of steam, NOTHING is done with the reports. BOT reports are at least 'investigated' if the account reaches a certain threshold.

Me? Nah, I would never openly say Yubari's line's are just so much more attractive to look at compared with Tenryuu, that would surely make some people really really upset....

He is 'demanding' Lesta fixes the carrier UI.

I would wait until the line is released, anything prior is just stupid imo because you don't know for sure which skills are actually 'required' and which are just beneficial to make the ships work.

Like Lemon being more desirable then Tenryuu?

Before this thread totally derails btw: OP, in your match as described you should have just right clicked the dude and select 'ignore messages' He can rant all he want, if you can't see it you won't get emotionally affected by it

Lemon would like a word with you....

Every time I see a BB 'designate' a cap in domination which the DD's should go for, it's the one cap he spawned directly behind

Get your weeb on mang

Criticism is good, without it no one would learn anything. Flaming is bad, no one learns anything from it ( except some curse words in foreign languages ). As I said before, it's this distinction which is not really working in this community. Many of the people complaining about 'toxic chat' are just not accepting their playstyle warrants criticism.

Misbehavior is never acceptable, it's just that 'criticism' is not misbehavior in online team based multiplayer gaming. People should accept criticism is they do stupid things, but they never do they always claim: toxic chat omg wth WG ban plox QQ. Then again: criticism is not: you [censored] [censored] why the [censored] did you [censored] do something so [censored] [censored] you're such an [censored] [censored] [censored]. Criticism I feel people should accept at face value ( imho ) goes more like: Tirpitz, you got turtleback armor and this is a domination match, we got no caps, half the team is dead and you're at full HP sniping from A9. Maybe if you moved up closer to the caps you would have drawn some fire and that would have meant more people from our team would be alive. We might even have had a cap zone or two. Sadly, this criticism is usually met with: stfu noob l2p. Then Tirpitz dies last, and types in chat: another [censored] team!

I press battle knowing I ruin the fun off everyone else in the game. It's not selfish... edit: to clarify -> If you can't see this, this whole discussion is pointless