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Funny how you keep repeating this but decided to no longer reply to me. Guess I can't be trivialized away since I don't play CV's myself.

Resigned Long story, not 100% sure where it will end. Not sure I want to spend more money on premium time and certainly not more time on testing and providing feedback.

But the 41 doesn't have any surface secondaries listed in the OP, all I can see is AAA mounts outside of the main armament? /me is confuzelled

I think WG has said in the past that rockets would not make it into the game, so those things are 'out' I guess. edit: that also means the 41 refit has no surface secondaries at all, since the unrotated projectiles was the only listed armament which I didn't know and the rest is AAA.

It's a showcase match, the aim is entertainment. For competitive play, tune in to the OMC cup games

You seem to think CV's should do equal damage then other classes, why? Do you complain your BB's do more damage then your CA's? CV's do more damage, that is fine. Khabarovsk does more damage then other DD's, that is fine. Because CV's are damage dealers, just like Kharb.

41? Which OP secondaries? *disclaimer: I got no friggin idea what the 'unrotated projectile' mounts are I was actually thinking she would get shafted by a decent Nagato captain ( remember they are fixing the frontal magazine armor bug on Nagato! ), unless she was able to dictate engagements. What is the height of the rangefinder of Hood in the 41 refit? Any idea of how well the concealment might be?

Actually no, I'm one of those who find that AAA is to strong ( especially for BBabies ) and that CV's should be a much bigger threat to lone wolfs. And I don't even play carriers ;) I just like the fact that they forced a level of teamplay, they still do to some effect but it's not nearly as much as before. But, I also agree that the class was getting rewarded to much in XP ( this is why some people got their tier X CV's so quick, the XP gain was to high ). I don't mind the higher damage for CV's then other classes, if that would be an issue I could also complain that BB's on average do more dmg then CA's, The real issue atm is that it's more beneficial for CV's to go after the enemy DD's first ( and esp high tier IJN DD's which are long and don't turn that well + don't have access to any meaningful AAA ). Imo, ideally, CV's should not be able to kill DD's that easilly, they are intended to be a danger to BB's more then the other classes. But I got no clue on how to do this ( without drastic changes which would require totally rebalancing whole game, and even then I haven't thought it through really as it would be wasted time as no company would upset/change their entire in game balance more then a year after leaving beta stage ).

Dunning-Kruger.

20 and 31 lack any substantial AAA, considering the tier Hood will be placed in based on armor and gun's I don't see those making it in the game without 'unhistorical changes'. If people want an historically correct early Hood refit, it would have to be tier 5 and even that is pushing it ( but hey, Arkansas Beta does fine on tier 4 without AAA at all ). 41 refit looks like a solid tier 7. Also, were there speed changes in the refits ( I assume so but I don't know them )? Torpedo protection changes?

First of all: Which CV? Was he using stock planes? It could be a stock tier VI CV attacking your elited Mogami with AAA specced captain, or it could be a tier X CV attacking your stock Mogami with a fresh captain. EDIT: ok this part is mute since it's ranked so tier VIII CV obviously The complains are coming from the fact that 'before' ( you know, the 'goold old days' ) no BB would dare run alone if a CV was in the match, there was no question if it would be sunk, just a question of when. Now, well my Izumo was hunting planes yesterday, only shot down 30 and got hit by one torp in return. And that's an IJN BB, not USN. And the CV was a tier VIII, one tier lower. BB's not having to stick with cruisers but able to defend ( no.. HUNT ) planes is just detrimental to teamplay.

You can ban forum posters for offensive titles such as above, drawing comparisons between a disease which kills people and aspects in a game.

Webley_Mark if you want more people to comment you should add more details then the pictures, not everyone here knows the configuration of each refit ( this includes me, and I can be quite lazy not wanting to have to look them up myself ).

A ship at 1 hp has the same offensive capabilities but it can't use them without getting shot back and killed. Since losing ships means losing points, a ship at low hp should not be counted the same as a ship which can do an offensive action and take a hit while doing so. Anyway, the only reason I reacted on this discussion is because of the post where 1/10 or 1/7 was mentioned as not making a difference, and this is mathematically incorrect imo.

Tone as CL and not as aviation cruiser? Not sure people would like that, I know plenty who are still hoping WG manages to add abilities to Tone which would make her more 'unique' in play style. Also not sure why you're splitting already at tier II, wouldn't it be possible to move them all up one tier or do you anticipate balance issues then?

1 out of 10 represents 10% of the firepower and other abilities. 1 out of 7 is a larger percentage of the firepower and other abilities. Both of you are right ( mathematician's answer I think it's called ), but I think you're less right then he is

Size of minimap is largely irrelevant ( unless you play above 1080, at which the game's UI is scaled ), the benefits are the ship names and the directional line. Directional line can even be used to replace Navigator ( though Navigator eliminates the step needed to make the angles relative to your own ship ). I usually don't play at all before minimap mod is updated after a patch, that's how much I value being able to tracks ships by the minimap without having to rely on my memory to tag ship icons with the actual ship ( aka BB can be a North Cal or a Yamato... now I would give my broadside rather to neither but if I have to choose I will give it to the Yamato since that is likely to lolpen me frontally anyway ).

Typical Dunning-Kruger. I find myself often complaining about people who might end up higher in XP that particular match. Seems baddies think that XP list actually indicates 'skill' when it's far from that. I seen 'sniping' Tirpitzes outlife their entire team ( duhhhh... ) and ending up with 'top xp' because he could finish off some low hp ships, and while everyone in chat was saying we lost because of him he claimed he was the best player and he expected to be 'top in the team' like 'always'. He was. I looked him up, 46% account win rate. But yeah, come on guys, we all know wr means nothing if MM puts you in potato teams all the time

No he got banned while preparing a new release of the modpack, as he tested mod ( combinations ) in live games which caused him to get reported due to being AFK since some mod ( combinations ) don't let you enter the battle. Bad way to test them imo, best would be doing it with replays if possible and if not, in a training room if possible. If both are not possible, in PvE then.

Lolwut? Don't think you got anything backing up this 'statement'? I would assume the aim assist was used by plebs not good players.

Historically they were CA's but undergunned to adhere to treaty limitations, and they did get their refit to 203's in real life. Don't think WG wants to change that entirely. But it's always possible they might split the two and place a 155 armed Mogami in another line then the 204 armed Mogami? I am not sure btw if IJN could fill an entire CL line, I don't think you would have candidates higher then Mogami?

Guys, if you have this issue please make a ticket with support. Forum can relay info but support is the most efficient method to get bugs noticed and fixed. https://eu.wargaming.net/support/kb/articles/596 -> Read this and follow the steps described, the generated WGCheck report aids support in troubleshooting the issue ( and allows giving the developers much more accurate information about the issue, making it more likely they are able to replicate and fix the issue ).

I am not sure what they will do there, maybe in the future there will be two IJN CA line's one with Takao one with Mogami? Not sure about the other spots, but hey in tanks we also have some lines which widen at some some tiers and which convert back to a single line later, so there is nothing stopping them from doing it with IJN CA's.

It removes the 'exclusivity' Atago owners have now. But that's not enough for support to pay you back your money ;) As other posters have indicated, and I'm pretty sure WG support would say the same, the benefits of Atago are crew training for IJN and the credit multiplier ( and being able to convert all the xp to free xp with doubloons without having to elite a ship first ). You didn't buy 'exclusivity' so that's not a ground for reversal of the purchase ( imo ).

Come on, when Atago came out we had no clue about the other CA's yet, and at the time it had no heal and Mogami 155 was just as strong if not stronger in some aspects Not saying it was bad, I for one didn't agree it needed the buff it got ( heal ). Or did you buy yours after it got heal ability?