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Stop using big numbers and fancy words, you know fires are OP just like torpedo's ( ow and concealed enemies are all hacking ). @OP tldr

It's hard to find a balance. I know WG can't depend on 'people like me' who thoroughly enjoy teamwork, we are a to small playerbase to keep the game healthy. Which is part of the issue imo, if you look at the OMC cup matches they rely mostly on proper use of smoke and torpedo's ( getting good angles, cross drops if possible ). And I like smoke as gameplay aspect, there isn't much else which would add 'depth' to the game ( besides making the game more twitch(shooter)-based which I hope doesn't happen ). But in randoms, meeting a division which uses smoke in the same way I have to communicate with randoms to most effectively deal with it. I get what you're saying and I understand I'm having quite an extreme view here but I have to be honest to myself. And I really like the teamplay aspect it's what 'spoke' to me when I heard first about this game and what I envisioned right from that moment. edit: You say; surely it's not impossible. That implies you got a notion of how it could be 'fixed' unless my English is failing me hard. Care to share? Not expecting worked out detailed stuff just a broad hint in which direction you think it should go which would satisfy both 'sides'?

Mhm some of that is valid, but it doesn't matter since if I want to know your 'skill' I just check recent results on a 3rd party tracker such as here -> http://wows-numbers.com/player/507440233,Kashuken/? I think the site is pretty spot on in it's display of statistics and classifications.

You should have used 'universality' instead of mobility imo, And yes, CV's surviving most because they are NOT intended to engage in surface combat is a clear indication of how you can't use that for claims about OP or UP. The goal is not surviving a match, so doing so means nothing to me. I do see it influences running costs ( though not sure about new economy, seems CV's are getting shafted pretty hard ). All in all, I can see how you think of CV's as broken and why I don't. All the traits CV's have in game are somewhat related to their real life performance ( in a very abstract way sometimes ). I don't have issues with having to play AAA [edited]for some BB ( though I miss having an indicator in game which could tell me which BB would be worth defending and which BB is more likely to end the match at full hp sitting at A1 ), I don't have issues when playing a BB to ask a cruiser to stick with me. I even like this class synergy, I find it fun, I take pride in being able to defend a BB from planes with my CA, I take pride in manoeuvring my BB such that the CA can assist me without either of us getting annihilated by surface targets because of giving broadside. For me it's fun to react to planes on the minimap which are 15km away but heading my way, all the time while I'm also having to watch my allied BB, the enemy BB's, the angles, line of sight. It just adds to the enjoyment when you 'get things right'. Ofc, sometimes it's fun to just slap my [edited]on LMB and yolo and pray. But overall, that's not what I wanted in this game, I looked forward to the tactical options, not to the 'twitch shooter' which remains if you remove all incentives for teamplay. You can't remove survivability from CV's, it's inherent to their class. You could remove their damage dealing ability but that would make no sense, they are meant to hunt BB's which have the biggest HP pool, therefore the damage potential of CV's needs to be the highest in the game. Mobility ( or w/e ), well WG experimented in alpha with fuel for planes, that would essentially do what you propose right? But they removed it because it was to complicated for 'average cv player'. I don't think it's coming back.

Ok Ok ok one more then.... 'WR is luck to an extent' is a false statement, what you mean to say is that luck has an influence on individual matches/situations. WR is a measurement which becomes more and more indicative of individual player skill with higher amounts of games. Since the only constant in that game is you, and all other random factors even out for every player over time. This means that over 5 matches, one guy having a 20% win rate and the other having 80%, it's not saying much. But if player A has 80% over 1000 games, and player B has 20% over 1000 games, your claim about luck becomes more and more ludicrous. Yeah, except that WR gains value with the higher amount of games played.

Yup. Tbh, WoWs is already 'HD' which only applies to the texture quality not the render path ( well ok and the meshes on the HD tanks are ofc also more intricate, resulting in higher polygon count ). I for one think they squeezed quite a lot out of the dx9 renderer, the game looks actually good imo. Would like WoWs to get a renderpath upgrade, WoT runs a lot smoother now compared with before, if that directly translates to WoWs it means they can up the display quality a lot since fps with WoWs is already better then it was with WoT before the change.

...RMB locks guns

Well shiet maybe you should be playing lotteries then instead of games

1. CV's best mobility... lol... yeah... turn radius bigger then BB's ( their fast though, on higher tiers ). 2. Highest survivability is only because a good CV never get's spotted, using that as argument for class balance shows how serious I should take you. 3. Best scout? Yeah... maybe. Not that many CV's who would dedicate a squad to providing vision to their team, usually the good captains will do it but it's not that common. ( edit: and the good captains will also only do this if it's beneficial for them. I actually had CV's in my division who gave me the finger telling me: I can keep that squad there and let you kill that DD, or I can refill and kill it myself, which would you do? ). And highest damage? Good, working as intended. You jealous about their damage numbers, maybe you think it means anything? Solution: play them yourself. As to hidden profiles and game mechanics / balance discussions: your profile aids us in seeing how well you understand current mechanics and if you're capable of giving an informed opinion. Imagine someone commenting on 'Yamato so OP' when his max tier is 5. Or someone complaining about CV's when all that he plays is BB's.

Your business just went bankrupt Yeah I talk big and it rarely 'works' that is why you win more games then me! Ow wait The higher WR is not something which happens by 'luck' you know ;)

PvE already got a 'fix' due to 'broken economy', wonder if regular will see the same 'swiftness' in fixing obvious flaws. http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/98498-slight-pve-economy-alterations/page__pid__2420158#entry2420158

Haku can wreck you, but a Shokaku won't even get a plane to drop on you before losing them all. And no, I don't agree that solo BB's should survive CV attacks ( one maybe, two is already stretching it ). You don't need to cluster with the whole team ( though they did in the anecdote from me, this isn't needed but it was just what they did ). Two or 3 ships alone should be able to defend against an attack, even if they might take damage they should be able to deal with that damage. edit: also, you got to take into account what was said already: CV's are very skill dependent which is a factor in WG having issues in balancing them. A unicum will still be very capable in his carriers, but an average players will not get 'acceptable' results on the higher tiers which is why we don't see many CV's there.

So go play battlefield or some ffin other game then and leave this game to those who DO enjoy the teamplay element. WG listening to [censored] like you is what is slowly killing this game. I don't even play carrier you [censored] [censored] [censored] ow wait; hidden profile guy being active in balance/game mechanics discussions...... /ignored

If I'm a butterfly you're not even a caterpillar . How about you git gud and try to win the game instead of trying to not loose a star? Not that I think someone like you should even be playing ranked but hey that's why I stay clear, having to carry stupid players who don't understand the game would just be to much frustration. Even a nice guy like Flamu ( ) RQ's at some point I'm quite sure of it, imagine me......

I will tell this again.... In the 'high days' of CV's, before mirror matchmaking even, I sometimes played with some top CV players. One of them was Sharana, and yes I am confident enough to say he was in the top percentage of CV players on the server. And CV's were bitched and whined about like crazy. So, we get a match without enemy CV, and the enemy team recognizes Sharana and comments in chat: we should give up, look who's playing carrier. Then the comments stopped and the game started. The enemy team assumed a formation and pushed us hard, as they knew that in an attrition battle Sharana would windle them down. They were grouped so that Sharana could not get good drops, and he needed us to remove the AAA cruisers from the enemy formation. We failed, and thus we lost. Even a top player in the high days of CV's could not win a game against a team without CV IF that team employed teamwork/formation manoeuvring and being aggressive so our team would be put under pressure. CV's had severe issues, but what you're saying is just plain [edited].

Pff perfectly legitimate if you'd ask any true Dutchy... ok ok it was a foul but no need to make it any bigger then it was, I mean look Zidane head butted someone again.... /me walks away slowly and silently, with the entire crowd now remembering the headbutting Frenchmen instead of the Flying Dutchman. Btw, for a real flying soccer kick ->

Another CV hater who seems to miss me in this thread posting AAA is way to strong on BB's and that I don't even play CV's.

You're about 10% to high to be called best average

Damnit I was just getting a second serving of

Get a room you two

A stock tier 8 CV has the same planes as an elite tier VII CV, aka it would have been the exact same. And my anecdote doesn't stand alone, I believe it's safe to say that the players who been playing this game for a while already and are not BB main's that BB's atm are far to strong in AAA department. Where did you change your thread subject from CV's in general to the FOUR top tier CV's in the game?

Basically you're suggesting to give CAV's ( or aviation BB's ) ability to do auto drops only? Or even less control, that you can just give 'attack order' and the squad would choose it's own flight path and drop point? I think the latter would be a gimmick, CAV's should be able to control the planes ( in a more limited radius perhaps ) in order to not have them fly over a bunch of AAA cruisers on their way to the target you selected. And not being able to do manual drops is already a huge disadvantage. But, this would also mean you need to mirror CAV's BBV's just like CV's. Gotcha.

Uhm I never said CV's are 'playable' either. Infact I said exactly the opposite here If I can 'hunt' down plane squads with my Izumo providing a no fly zone for a CV ( even if it's one tier lower and I'm specced for AAA ) it's not a good state for CV's to be in.

Might help plebs like me to change the AAA description to DP then as I missed they were dual purpose guns due to the explicit mentioning of AAA designation If they perform close the German 102mm the 7x2 setup sounds actually really good ( trainspite, don't facepalm to hard plox ).