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I think he already said he would take a Hipper

I agree it would have lessened the backlash if they introduced both an ST exclusive and a generally available SoDak at the same time. But it's not the end of the world ( unless the ships stronger than the available ships for everyone else.. but I trust WG will not risk going down that route ).

Nah low tier DD's have shorter range torps ( IJN left aside, but now Umi - Mine are nerved a bit they are less of an issue ). I am way more agressive with low tier BB's then I can ever be in high tiers, and WG is really trying to discourage the blue line sniping. Ofc, rushing in blindly is not what I mean with brawling, but low tier BB's < 10km is exactly where they should be ( but not alone ofc, you don't want to be the only target that close, but you can and should stick right by your cruisers ).

It is the other way around, low tier BB's are discouraging sniping because of their bad dispersion. If you snipe at low tiers, well that's exactly what WG is trying to prevent since you will keep sniping progressing down the lines. And if you brawl with low tier BB's, you will get way better results! The 'issue' lies with choosing where and when to push.

And being salty is of no use anyway. Want to make a point to WG, vote with your wallet I can actually understand the closure, keeping it open would just lead to a backwards spiral. I was also wrong, I thought Alabama was the most decorated SoDak and it isn't. So while it's a shame for those with ties with her, the reasons I personally was against using that particular ship are being taken away one by one. Massachusetts has more battle stars and is also a museum ship. And a ship has to be chosen. Which other SoDak would people want to be an ST exclusive?

Thread on NA got closed down because of people feeling salty?

Lol useless? Check my BB stats for those tiers They are the way they are for a reason, to discourage bad players from thinking BB's are easy mode, allowing them to progress up the tiers while not learning how to play them properly, and eventually ruining the fun of everyone else on their team if they reach high tiers and still suck. And it's not even working fully atm, there are still countless BBabies on high tier who refuse to get their paint scratched until half their team is death ( and usually then start blaming the teams for being bad, when it's their gameplay which lost the match ). What do you mean with.. captain perks? what?

This! And this! Though it will be like Assault on WoT which iirc no one really played after it was made optional? edit: voted no, because I think it should be in the game but only optional. If you don't want to play the mode it should not be forced on you.

Yes but I do want to be in the room so I can record it ;) If they want I can stream it on Twitch as well

Don't forget Lord Hamsterius requires a first born upon joining, so people will save costs from feeding and or education for one kid. This can amount to a large sum over time!

^^ this

Well that's why we have domination mode right, kiting doesn't really help if you have to move away from the cap zone's and have to give up map control ( though ofc that doesn't apply to a 1v1 situation but how often does that really happen? ).

Nah that only applies to people without clan tags behind their names ofc edit: wow I quoted the wrong post... sorry!!! This is the post I meant

This only happens in limited scenarios and are almost exclusively because there was an error prior to getting into that engagement, which is my only gripe with removing it ( or calling it 'retarded' ). You're right about the rest

Salt aside I'm happy we agree on the counters, I will even agree that it is not a 100% fit. But it was fun and rewarding. Especially for people like me who aren't that good in twitch based shooters. I don't have my system tuned for the highest fps, I'm playing with almost all eye candy and only get 50 to 60 fps ( which is fine with a 60hz screen I guess ). The reason I use CBT so much is because there was a lot more teamwork back then. DD's would even screen for Shima torp walls Was it perfect, nah. But it was really fun imo. And it's not even about performance, I'm 'performing' better now then in CBT. As to real life line of sight and curvature of the earth, it's not even related to an arcade game right? Or we should also bring up historical hit ratio's for instance, and that would make the game pretty boring Maybe you could try to disengage from the Zao's range, and force him closer to your allies so you have a higher chance of him getting detected. Zao is a bit of an area denial weapon then I agree.... I never said it was ideal, but I still like it more then when this game turns into a twitch based shooter where everyone is always visible ( abusing terrain is a lot harder with flat arcs ) bar smoke screens. Actually if smoke screens in randoms were more often used tactically it could replace invisi fire for all I care, it's a much better mechanic as there are more counters. Sadly most DD's use their smoke just for themselves ( as I said, I like the teamwork aspect of the game above all others ). Don't hate on me plox

Risk of multiple fires < being able to use all your guns when engaging a cruiser. One or two citadels ( or even some heavy normal pen's ) will outweigh any fire started by the cruiser. Fires are LIGHT damage which can be healed fully. Citadels on cruisers however..

It's so nice how you call something 'retarded', makes me put so much value in your opinion And that you don't like it, well I don't really care about that either. So what's left is a mechanic which forced people to work together, and I like it that people are FORCED to display a sense of teamwork because it's pretty apparent that without this forceful necessity people just like to go for their own objectives mostly. I had some hopes when WG added assisted damage tracking, maybe they were going to actually promote and emphasize teamwork in this game after all. Sadly, players are selfish, and WG decided they can't force a teamwork spirit so in order to keep up and enlarge the player base they have to remove layers of the gameplay which relied on teamwork. Maybe if you were here in CBT and saw the glory of how it feels to actually counter invisi fire ships through teamwork you would feel different. Probably not though, since it's 'retarded'

Only if you think WoWs is a twitch based shooter with less space for tactical engagements or reliance on teamwork ( like it's starting to become ). And it's been in the game since alpha, it's a bit weird no that WG added it by 'mistake' and are only now 'seeing it as a problem'.... It's not a problem, well ok it is but only because the display of teamwork since CBT has dropped to current levels. In CBT if you were getting stealth fired all you had to do was ping the map and your allied DD's and/or CV would move in and spot the guy being a nuisance. edit: If you want to learn the game a bit better, or prevent getting in those situations, try divisioning up with more experienced players. Join the Forumites in game chat channel, or join the wargaming TS to look for people to play with. It's a lot more fun together then alone

I didn't even see that one. Front page... lol I got the forum bookmarked for a reason not the front page Still the point stands that you will be likely getting a SoDak available to you, both in silver and premium perhaps even, but only after a future line split. But WG should not have chosen a museum ship, period.

The long range AA ( 130mm ) are what goes from 'meh' to 'ok' when you get to manual AAA, During testing I didn't have the captain points to reach manual AAA but others I know have reached it now and this is their feedback and I trust them on it. One of the downsides though is that you can not kite with Dunq, if you do any HE spammer will just relieve you off all your secondaries and thus most of your AAA pretty quickly due to them being clustered up so tightly on your stern. That's one of the reason's Dunk plays best if you rush to a good position and just bow tank pushing into the enemy ( unless in danger of getting flanked, then you just go 1/4th forward/reverse to throw of the aim and eventual incoming fishes.

They haven't come out and said that specifically, but they have said that stealth firing was added 'by mistake' and that they are looking at ways to 'correct' this. 1 + 1 = ??

Ok ok, even free xp bonus or credit bonus could be 'over the top' if to excessive, but it's a lot less impactful on the gameplay. That was my biggest concern when Jethro_Grey proposed to give ST a ship which was gameplay wise stronger then regularly available tech tree ships. As I said before, Alabama being an ST reward ship does not mean SoDak won't be available for anyone else, just that it will take more time until a BB line split. WG would not model a ship exclusively for ST as a reward, it makes no sense from an development point of view. Also, WG did not hype the ship, stats were leaked and people got hyped on their own. And no, I am 100% convinced this is not a 'WG sanctioned leak to create hype'. Doesn't mean that I think it's a good development, but only because of which ship of the class they chose. Museum ships should not be exclusive to ST, even while most here in EU will not feel upset right now imagine how it would be if Belfast would have been ST exclusive.

Those DD's will take a long time to actually kill a healthy BB, enough time for allies to go and spot them. If the BBaby is the last one alive on his team, he deserves being invisifired to death If he isn't the last one alive but there are no allies near, he is in the wrong location made a tactical error ( that or his team did by leaving one of their BB's on his own ). @OP A BB counters cruisers, both in real life and in the game. The thing to keep in mind is a> low tier BB's dispersion is trollish, don't be a long range sniper but close to intermediate distance. You're also playing USN BB's, and your New Mexico for instance is a brawler not a sniper. Yes I say brawler, even after GEBB's being added, the New Mexico is still one of the best brawlers. And if you're getting kited by cruisers, you already made a tactical/positioning error beforehand. If you want to improve your tactical awareness, I would suggest watching Flamu's "Low tier guides' on Youtube.

Hell no that would be idiotic, why would ST needs an imbalanced ship as reward ( it's not like they need so much incentive for people to join right ). It would be the most stupid thing WG could go, giving ST a ship which is better then regular ships. Now, if they give it special traits like extra credit income or xp bonus, that doesn't affect others in the game so it's ok. But more heals and stuff, hell no

If serious.. this is some trademark BBaby stuff right here. "How do I counter the class I'm supposed to counter in a scenario which favours my BB" So OP could have used ONE ship to make his point semi valid ( semi since invisi fire can be countered by DD's/CV's with a brain and who aren't selfish... teamwork you know... ). Ow and WG has already claimed invis fire 'was added by mistake'... so yea BBabies don't worry WG <3 you so much they will change the game to suit you entirely!