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Smoke doesn't last forever and we have 2km auto detection. There are far bigger issues then 'smoke meta', mainly the actual cause of 'smoke meta' namely BBaby meta.

Wait if you like it and you vote it will be bad for the game, are you actually saying you want the game to fail... And what is you do NOT like it but think it will be good for the game, is that admitting you're a biased pleb? So many choices!

Well but compare Hindenburg with Hipper, Zao with Mogami and Mosvka with Chapy.. sure the BB's 'evolve' but not nearly as steeply as the cruisers. The economic side is probably also quite influential though, I agree.

Isn't it tier 6-7 where they start to evolve and tier 8 where they peak, with 9 and 10 going down already due to cruisers actually being more competitive on tier 9 and 10.. It's most definitely tier 8 with the 60% BBaby overpopulation.

Fear? How about disgust? I throw up every time I think about BBabies and this game, and the way it's heading with the development roadmap / BBaby bingo card. All 'people' defending this saying they believe WG is capable of balancing everything they been screwing up with SMALLER changes so far, when they make one of the BIGGEST changes in the game... you're delusional. If WG wants to fix 'passive meta' they need to fix the BBaby issue, not the non-issue smoke is. Smoke is so easy to ffin counter, it takes HALF a brain not even a full one. The only people unable to deal with it are those who think they should solo everything anytime any situation. What did strangers123 say again in the summary: good teams wouldn't be affected, but BAD teams would suffer. That is telling something. Should we balance the meta around BAD teams or good teams?

Ikr

So remove benefit from BBabies who want to sit in smoke -> when they shoot they still get spotted if anything is close enough ( smaller concealment buff, not 100% but maybe 50% ).

Come to think of it, MK could use a small buff like German cruisers got, just give built in IFHE. That way no one will come to the forum to complain about the ship

Yup, she did. And before she was given the 12km torps as well, so Yugumo is getting buffed in small steps. And Shira was kinda crazy... but it was also fun. Ofc, the ship performed as well as premiums and for a silver ship that is only allowed when you're a Bismarck..

But Tovarish, our glorious PowerCreep™ BBaby-Bingo-Developement-Roadmap™ has decided BB's shouldn't have to dodge so many torps at once without requiring a buff to rudder shift. So in fact, you can tell the mob that this change is actually to prevent having to buff battleships

1) who cares? you're talking about removing offensive smokes entirely... facepalm 2) they did, it failed, case closed. Also, the concept didn't even warrant testing but if some guy in the development department was missing the 'smokes are OP' box on the bingo card I can understand why they did the test. 3) No, actually the proposed counter ( and let's just say I agree ) is to change the mechanic so ships which SHOULD be able to fire from smoke can still do this but the BB's can't ( because they shouldn't anyway ). edit: and with 'can shoot from smoke' I don't mean 'can shoot from smoke with impunity' as the proposed change even makes small caliber ships visible as they shoot, as long as you're closing the distance.

Do you have anything which actually counters anything which I said above, or just looking for the easy way out? Do you think WG will also start giving XP for people who do this? Besides needing all those changes to plane spotting mechanics to even be viable. And this isn't needed in the first place. Static meta isn't smoke problem. It wasn't a torpedo problem earlier either.

Are you claiming smokes need to be more effective for BBabies then for the ship which actually has it? Lol.

So much needs changing to facilitate that change ( spotting mechanics for planes for instance, as smoke lines are useless when planes are in the air ). And it's not needed, the only reason smoke has become somewhat prevalent ( and mind you, it's still far less prevalent than BBaby presence in game ) is because BBaby meta forces people to either take a BB, hug islands, or use smoke. Fix BBaby issue and smoke prevalence will go away, because unlike proper positioning / using terrain, smoke is really easy to counter.

Is this the same guy saying Cleveland is crap? <\Yawn> edit: OP is actually not a baddy. Maybe some MK experts can help him out a bit..

Shhh, you're making them put away the pitchforks

Ow, it's you again...

Balance tovarish, are you questioning our glorious PowerCreep™ department comrade?

That is not an invalid argument, especially what concerns me. I don't enjoy to rapid changes to anything really. But this game is fun, well it USED to be lots of fun. But all the meta changes have been pampering to BBaby bingo card boxes it's not even close to the game it was in earlier phase. And this smoke change is not needed. Want to lower smoke meta, fine do something about BBaby prevalence so smokes are less important / required freeing up people to play other ships which don't rely on smoke. So what, if I'm in a gunboat I can smoke up and daka daka stuff.... my dpm is shite compared with cruiser. I can better smoke up a cruiser and spot for him, but WG doesn't reward that much really... and yet I still do it because it wins me games. That is the problem here, the people complaining the whole time are the BBabies and sadly they are being listened to. Every box on the Bingo card which was a frigging JOKE 'what IF wg would totally lose their mind' kind of joke... and every box is ticked. Every change the effect isn't that big, but it's there. And they compound. And WG isn't reacting.... Shima 20km torp spam, causing 5 Shima's per team -> nerf hard ( needed ) BB 60% tier 8 population, causing 5 BB's per team -> nothing happens Why?

Anyway, most of the post btw wasn't something I really disagree with, but the opening line pun was to strong to let wither away unused. And no, I'm not British I prefer to stay in the EU thank you ps: the role of a ship is to do what is needed to win games, don't be lured into doing otherwise by some text in the loading screen. Aka, hunting DD's doesn't mean charging behind your allied DD's and try to gun down the enemy DD's at the start of a match. This usually results in your PT going up to include all 5 enemy BB's and a quick return to port.

Wew what a topic. I ran out of likes a long time ago, but well.... @Nechrom and @loppantorkel you're wrong, sorry. In CBT cruisers could angle against BB shells and not take stray random citadels every time when sneezed at.

The site has been having issues for some time, switch to another one ( wows-numbers ?? ).

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CjAbMal-DCbO3eQyMptAI9ux3VlM7WWH15CDEM5BkQw/edit

Good players say A, others say B. I'll go with A, as it's most likely the group of people actually able to understand the impact it will have on gameplay. Firing in smoke is a necessity, just as cruisers using islands. If you want to change all that, change the cause, not the symptoms.

You know what link it's from. This change does not work. That's even beside the point of not being needed.