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matthias37, on 31 July 2013 - 07:27 PM, said: Very nic info and good ships I'm glad you like it

matthias37, on 31 July 2013 - 07:26 PM, said: +1 :honoring:

haha...LOL :veryhappy:

Nice Info. thx for post keks :glasses:

Nice destroyer you have here keks... :honoring:

Nice vid. :great: Thanks

R.I.P.

lol :veryhappy: so small :tongue:

Stick, on 29 July 2013 - 09:43 AM, said: Some of the designs are just ... rofl... for example the CAL Ishikari. Why in the heck would you mount 2 turrets side by side so they would cut from the eachother's field of action? Also, most of the designs would most likely be top heavy and so of very little use to anyone. Just designing tons of firepower on a hull doesn't actually mean it can be a practical and workable design. Also the BCV Tosa. 100 m wide design? There is no drydock or naval yard even today which is able to build something like that. We all know that man :tongue: but is cool to see something like this.. :glasses:

An interesting look at possible and impossible ship designs inspired from the actual IJN Enjoy!!! Battleships: SBB Yashim SBB Kii BCV Tosa BCV Ise BB Fuso PBB Aki BAA Settsu

Very nice, thanks keks :honoring: :popcorn:

USS Montana (BB-67) The Montana-class battleships of the United States Navy were planned as successors to the Iowa class, being slower but larger, better armored, and having superior firepower. Five were approved for construction during World War II, but changes in wartime building priorities resulted in their cancellation in favor of the Essex-class aircraft carriers and Iowa class before any Montana-class keels were laid.With an intended armament of 12 16-inch (406 mm) guns and a greater anti-aircraft capability than the preceding Iowa-class, as well as a thicker armor belt, the Montanas would have been the largest, the best-protected, and the most heavily-armed battleships put to sea by the United States. They would have been the only US Navy battleship class to have rivaled the Empire of Japan's Yamato-class battleships in terms of armor, weaponry, and displacement. Preliminary design work for the Montanas began before the US entry into World War II. The first two vessels were approved by Congress in 1939 following the passage of the Second Vinson Act. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor delayed construction of the Montana class. The success of carrier combat at the Battle of the Coral Sea and, to a greater extent, the Battle of Midway, diminished the value of the battleship. Consequently, the US Navy chose to cancel the Montana-class in favor of more urgently needed aircraft carriers, amphibious and anti-submarine vessels; though orders for the Iowas were retained as they were fast enough to escort the new Essex-class aircraft carriers. The Montana class was the last US Navy battleship to be designed but their keels were never laid; the four completed Iowa-class battleships were the last to be commissioned. History: As the political situation in Europe and Asia worsened in the prelude to World War II, Carl Vinson, the chairman of the House Committee on Naval Affairs, instituted the Vinson Naval Plan, which aimed to get the Navy into fighting shape after the cutbacks imposed by the depression and the naval treaties of the 1930s. As part of the overall plan Congress passed the Second Vinson Act in 1938, which cleared the way for construction of the four South Dakota-class fast battleships and the first two Iowa-class battleships (hull numbers BB-61 and BB-62). Four additional battleships (with hull numbers BB-63, BB-64, BB-65, and BB-66) were approved for construction in 1940, with the last two intended to be the first ships of the Montana class. By 1942, it was apparent to the US Navy high command that they needed as many fast battleships as possible, and hull numbers BB-65 and BB-66 were allocated to fast battleships Illinois and Kentucky. The Navy, mindful of the ongoing construction of Japan's Yamato-class battleships, had been working on a 58,000-ton "super battleship" concept since 1938. This new class, with twelve 16-inch (406 mm) guns, was assigned the name Montana and cleared for construction by the United States Congress under the Two-Ocean Navy Act in 1940; funding for the new ships was approved in 1941. These ships, the last battleships to be ordered by the Navy, were originally to be designated BB-65 through BB-69; however, BB-65 and −66 were subsequently re-ordered as Iowa-class ships, Illinois and Kentucky, and the Montanas were redesignated BB-67 through BB-71. Completion of the Montana-class, and the last two Iowa-class battleships, was intended to give the US Navy a considerable advantage over any other nation, or probable combination of nations, with a total of 17 new battleships by the late 1940s. The Montanas also would have been the only American ships to come close to equaling Japan's massive Yamato and her sister Musashi in terms of size and firepower. Design: Preliminary planning for the Montana-class battleships took place in 1939, when the aircraft carrier was still considered inferior to the battleship. The Navy began designing a 65,000-ton battleship to counter the threat posed by the Yamato-class battleships of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Although the Navy knew little about the Yamato-class, the new Japanese battleships were rumored to have a main gun battery of 18 inches (457 mm).Initially, plans were drawn for a 45,000-ton (46,000-metric-ton) US battleship, but after evaluation, the Battleship Design Advisory Board increased the displacement of the planned ship to 58,000 tons (59,000 metric tons). At the time, the design board issued a basic outline for the Montana class that called for it to be free of beam restrictions imposed by the Panama Canal, be 25% stronger offensively and defensively than any other battleship completed or under construction, and be capable of withstanding the "super heavy" 2,700 lb (1,200 kg) shells used by US battleships equipped with either the 16-inch/45 caliber guns or 16-inch (406 mm)/50 cal Mark 7 guns. Although freed of the restriction of fitting through the Panama Canal, the length and height of the Montana-class were limited by one of the shipyards at which they were to be built: the New York Navy Yard could not handle the construction of a 58,000-ton (59,000-metric-ton) ship, and vessels built there had to be low enough to clear the Brooklyn Bridge at low tide. After debate at the design board about whether the Montana-class should be fast, achieving the high 33 kn (38 mph; 61 km/h) speed of the Iowa class, or up-gunned and up-armored, firepower was selected over speed. By returning the Montana class to the slower 28 kn (32 mph; 52 km/h) maximum speed of the North Carolina- and South Dakota- class ships, naval architects were able to increase armor protection for the Montanas, enabling the ships to withstand enemy fire equivalent to their own guns' ammunition. This limited the Montanas' ability to escort and defend the Pacific-based Allied aircraft carrier fleet, as the class was to be powered by eight Babcock & Wilcox boilers which would have enabled them to steam at approximately 27 to 28 kn (31 to 32 mph; 50 to 52 km/h). Fate: By January 1941, the design limit for the 58,000-ton (59,000-metric-ton) battleship plan had been reached, and consensus among those designing the battleship class was to increase the displacement to support the armor and weaponry on the ships. At the same time, planners decided to adopt a slightly greater length and reduce power for a better machinery arrangement, as well as improving internal subdivisions, and selecting as the secondary armament several dual-mounted 5-inch (127 mm)/54 cal guns instead of the 5-inch (127 mm)/38 cal guns used on the Iowas. At this point, the net design for the Montana class somewhat resembled the Iowa class since they would be equipped with the same caliber main guns and similar caliber secondary guns; however, Montana and her sisters had more armor, mounted three more main guns, and were 22 ft (6.7 m) longer and 13 ft (4.0 m) wider than the Iowa class. By April 1942, the Montana-class design had been approved; construction was authorized by the United States Congress and the projected date of completion was estimated to be somewhere between 1 July and 1 November 1945. The Navy ordered the ships in May 1942, but the Montana class was placed on hold because the Iowa-class battleships and the Essex-class aircraft carriers were under construction in the shipyards intended to build the Montanas. Unfortunately for the Montana class, both the Iowa and Essex classes had been given higher priorities: the Iowas due to their ability to defend the Essex-class carriers with 20 mm and 40 mm guns, and the Essexes because of their ability to launch aircraft to gain and maintain air supremacy over the islands in the Pacific and intercept warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Because of this, the entire Montana class was suspended in May 1942, before any of their keels had been laid. In July 1942, the construction of the Montana class was canceled following the Battle of Midway, and the corresponding shift in naval warfare from surface engagements to air supremacy, and, thus, a shift from battleships to aircraft carriers. Ships: Five ships of the Montana class were authorized on 19 July 1940, but they were suspended indefinitely until being canceled 21 July 1943. The ships were to be built at the New York Navy Yard, Philadelphia Navy Yard, and Norfolk Navy Yard. USS Montana (BB-67) Montana was planned to be the lead ship of the class. She was the third ship to be named in honor of the 41st state, and was assigned to the Philadelphia Navy Yard. Both the earlier battleship, BB-51, and BB-67 were canceled, so Montana is the only one of the (48 at the time) US states never to have had a battleship with a "BB" hull classification completed in its honor. USS Ohio (BB-68) Ohio was to be the second Montana-class battleship. She was to be named in honor of the 17th state, and was assigned to the Philadelphia Navy Yard for construction. Ohio would have been the fourth ship to bear that name had she been commissioned. USS Maine (BB-69) Maine was to be the third Montana-class battleship. She was to be named in honor of the 23rd state, and was assigned to the New York Navy Yard. Maine would have been the third ship to bear that name had she been commissioned. USS New Hampshire (BB-70) New Hampshire was to be the fourth Montana-class battleship, and was to be named in honor of the ninth state. She was assigned to the New York Navy Yard, and would have been the third ship to bear that name had she been commissioned. USS Louisiana (BB-71) Louisiana was to be the fifth and final Montana-class battleship. She was to be named in honor of the 18th state and assigned to the Norfolk Navy Yard, Portsmouth, Virginia. Louisiana would have been the third ship to bear that name had she been commissioned. By hull number, Louisiana was the last American battleship authorized for construction.

matthias37, on 30 July 2013 - 10:07 AM, said: Very nice ships +1 Yeap, I m glad you like it :honoring:

NelsonXes, on 29 July 2013 - 07:33 AM, said: Well am I the only one that see's how close the design is of SBB Kii and HMS Nelson probably 20 years apart and add in a extra 100 AA guns =P Land based heavy bomber would have had a field day with BCV Tosa if it had have been built and then spotted got to be the size of a small town hard to miss even at heavy bomber hight. Very good posts yet again Smederevac94 more +s from me Thanks man :honoring:

grizzlyfish, on 28 July 2013 - 04:45 PM, said: well done smederevac great posts +3 Freiherr_von_Keks, on 28 July 2013 - 05:07 PM, said: Great Infos thx for post smederevac :honoring: Sakamoto_Mio, on 28 July 2013 - 06:41 PM, said: Very Nice Very nice! +1/1/1!! just love it! novadragon79, on 28 July 2013 - 07:25 PM, said: Like it :medal: Thanks guys :honoring:

GJ :medal: :great:

Tnx Keks!

Cruisers CA Aikawa CLA Fuzi CAL Ishikari CAL Tokachi (improved Ishikari) CL Tokiwa CL Sakawa (Modified Agano class ships)

Aircraft Carriers: SCV Hiryo CV Shoyu CVL Ibuki CVL Mogami CVE Togo

Nice post

Tnx :popcorn:

GJ :honoring:

bogdanandrei1998, on 26 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said: Nice ship!Thanks! NP man

krille95, on 25 July 2013 - 07:13 PM, said: I apologize for that :hiding: and thanks :honoring: :honoring: NP man :honoring:

I have the same topic, but is not problem...nice post krille :great: