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1-Do you know the meaning of over nerfed? No? Obviously... Smoke needed nerf but it is over nerfed 4 min loading time to pop 20 secs smoke is not normal 2-I played 500 battles in CBT with DDs i never experienced secondaries as a big deal. I was more scared of cruisers' main armament than a useless secondary gun. You protecting this is just funny. 3-Giving poor points leads to games where no one wants to cap. This is like removing the torpedo hit exp earning from CVs. Capping is a job of DDs so how does that not make them weak? 4-Gearing is much better than shima. Also i claimed opposite on atagovsMogami Gearing captains dont know how to use torpedoes effectively on average. How do i know that? Gearing has better torpedoes than kagero's upgraded ones yet there is only 4k diffrence at average damage Therefore i decided not to use average stats on gearing The best players' stats for gearing can be found in worldofwarshipstats.com I dont remember you playing gearing at CBT and you dont have a DD except germmy and umikaze right now so tell me where did you get the idea of gearing being worse than shimakaze? Oh you want to hear my reasons? Guns are obviously superior to shima AA is better. (As you admitted the problem at high tiers for DDs are planes) Consealment is same 7.6km Turning radius is better Torpedoes have less reaction time(9 for gearing and 12 for shimakaze making gearing torps less dodgable) Rudder shift time is only 0.4 sec diffrent so not a big diffrence Sure shimakaze's torpedo damage potential is high but why would that matter when shimakaze has worse hit ratio? Oh also shimakaze is 130meters while gearing is 120 meters meaning shimakaze will get hit more. And shima has 1.5k less health

photos or i cant make sense out of it

So asking for speed buff on kagero(35 knots) and fubuki(35 knots) while cruisers at same tier has 33-34 knots is wrong? There isnt much problems damage wise between tiers. There is a huge problem between nations of course. no one complains about how UP nicholas is do they? NicholasvsMinekaze i think is the best DD balance between nations. The amount of DD increase is due to CV players abandoning their ships. That wasnt even a direct buff to the problems DDs have -Over nerfed smoke -No reason stated module health decrease -Bad reward system -Bad balance system(A nation is superior to other? what kind of balance is this?) Oh dear sharana i have always seen your exaggrating in discussions. But i m ready for that. -Over nerfed smoke 20 secs isnt enough for a DD to cover his allies nor his [edited]at high tiers -Module health received nerf at 0.4.0 which made them worse i dont think there is a need for expalnation. If you doubt this i can show you a video on youtube about tier X SNDD receiving a DB bomb and losing nearly 5 or 6 modules at once. Yeah such fun... -Capping bases dont give good points, area denial doesnt give a single penny, -No other class has issue with nation balance that is intended. Why would i play shimakaze if gearing will beat it. Gearing has good enough torpedoes and superior guns with same consealment. While shima suffers AA gearing has no problem taking others down. I am not saying shima is bad. It is a normal ship but gearing is better than shima. Shima is one trick pony gearing is multi role ship. About popularity gearing has less owners due to it being on the wrong end of line. IJN is torps torps torps. USN is guns guns guns/torps. People dont want to play gun ships to get gearing. Mutsuki-hatsuharu-fubuki-kagero need buff. Mutsuki as everyone knows is a bad ship. It doesnt even make sense for that ship to be tier 6. (12 seconds reaction time is just too much for tier 6 and promised torpedo reload buff didnt make it to game) Hatsuharu is a bit better than mutsuki but it isnt better than minekaze. Fubuki is better than minekaze at average damage. But it isnt good to have 35 knots speed. You die at the second you get spotted if you are close to cruisers. Kagero is better than minekaze at average damage. But again 35 knots speed is not fun to play with. Maps get bigger you get slower your enemies get faster.

High tierS Gearing is a great ship. Looking at the average stats for that ship would be unfair comparison. Since it isnt a very forgiving ship. Stats for players with above 100 battles Best average exp on gearing 3.7k Best average damage on gearing 80k Best win rate on gearing %76 Best average exp on shimakaze 3.7k Best average damage on shimakaze 91k Best win rate on shimakaze %74 Stats for players above 200 battles Best average exp on gearing 3.2k Best average damage on gearing 80k Best win rate on gearing %67 Best average exp on shimakaze 3.6k Best average damage on shimakaze 87k Best win rate on shimakaze %68 Shimakaze and Gearing are nicely balanced ships. Not good enough in my opinion. Gearing isnt a one trick pony therefore its more usefull in any case. So there is no possible way of the balance between them being "much better" for one side

Player Average for Ships (all players) [ at 2015/10/10 ] nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP CA 8 Atago 8297 46252 5.57 49.46 0.10 50.44 1500 27911 0.49 1.22 0.00 0.00 26.72 0.63 15724 JP CA 8 Mogami 2533 28242 11.15 55.18 0.15 44.67 1941 41244 0.81 1.80 0.00 0.00 35.99 1.41 23449 Player Average for Ships (top 10% expert players) [ at 2015/10/10 ] nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP CA 8 Atago 830 11600 13.98 73.16 0.08 26.76 1920 36192 0.71 1.55 0.00 0.00 41.13 1.39 33114 JP CA 8 Mogami 254 5508 21.69 73.99 0.09 25.92 2321 51235 1.12 2.28 0.00 0.00 51.71 2.88 39661 Atago isnt better than mogami here are the stats of average and top %10 players in EU server

i m not trying to shoot you i am a bit pissed off about WG's decision. Even now IJNDDs are suffering. I am also pissed off about sharana's post "much better" yeah 36k fletcher isnt doing much better than 37k kagero sure of course benson's %54 winrate with 24k is much worse than fubuki's %50 win rate with 28k

You see the problem lies there. USNDDs were seen OK ish after tier 7. IJNDDs werent. USNDDs are buffed to SNDD level IJNDDs received a finger Check post #27 in this thread

Look at post #27 at this thread i explained why it isnt normal

I just learned about 0.5.1 and can someone define "we have been listening" part to me? They buffed the fletcher and benson in matter of RoF They buffed USNDDs' torpedo range WG stop kicking the dead horse please?

muhrip "dengelemesi" dışında güzel görünüyor. WG keşke cidden dinlese.

Player Average for Ships (all players) [ at 2015/10/10 ] nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP DD 2 Tachibana 620 2656 4.28 53.04 0.80 46.16 770 13792 0.80 0.00 0.19 0.39 21.06 0.99 19667 JP DD 2 TachibanaLima 5 7 1.40 40.00 0.00 60.00 1238 22499 1.73 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.00 0.93 8037 JP DD 2 Umikaze 19704 81207 4.12 52.55 0.35 47.10 649 14297 0.73 0.00 0.17 0.32 24.01 0.97 19556 JP DD 3 Wakatake 21429 100858 4.71 50.65 1.39 47.96 710 16550 0.67 0.02 0.28 0.34 19.32 0.84 19770 JP DD 4 Isokaze 28572 171177 5.99 52.32 1.54 46.14 898 22383 0.81 0.07 0.36 0.25 23.23 1.07 21981 JP DD 5 Minekaze 27008 195124 7.22 53.22 1.12 45.66 1077 26942 0.89 0.09 0.26 0.16 25.44 1.22 23835 JP DD 6 Mutsuki 16391 123732 7.55 51.57 0.58 47.85 1225 21694 0.58 0.46 0.23 0.06 30.36 0.86 23634 JP DD 7 Hatsuharu 6230 59150 9.49 52.04 0.33 47.62 1518 23677 0.62 0.39 0.10 0.06 32.43 0.98 25595 JP DD 8 Fubuki 1757 24706 14.06 50.29 0.09 49.62 1741 28720 0.62 0.35 0.00 0.00 35.20 1.06 27905 JP DD 9 Kagero 448 7699 17.19 51.40 0.10 48.50 2088 37749 0.63 0.28 0.00 0.00 45.42 1.27 29913 JP DD 10 Shimakaze 265 3998 15.09 48.24 0.02 51.74 2410 55920 0.77 0.27 0.00 0.00 46.07 1.54 27545 US DD 2 Sampson 20012 71675 3.58 47.94 0.35 51.71 510 9416 0.50 0.00 0.13 0.29 13.80 0.56 16758 US DD 3 Wickes 23784 115114 4.84 48.90 1.42 49.68 697 14538 0.65 0.01 0.23 0.31 12.99 0.74 19012 US DD 4 Clemson 25450 148550 5.84 50.11 1.56 48.33 745 17156 0.67 0.01 0.27 0.26 14.67 0.80 20719 US DD 5 Nicholas 18305 131992 7.21 49.69 1.12 49.19 1032 18957 0.68 0.35 0.18 0.19 15.70 0.84 22295 US DD 6 Farragut 7221 55206 7.65 50.60 0.56 48.84 1197 17626 0.62 0.38 0.12 0.05 18.63 0.80 22997 US DD 7 Mahan 1779 16708 9.39 51.35 0.35 48.30 1547 20039 0.69 0.32 0.09 0.03 21.24 0.91 24980 US DD 7 Sims 3259 9292 2.85 48.51 0.53 50.96 1287 15218 0.45 0.18 0.10 0.05 21.58 0.51 15108 US DD 8 Benson 454 6522 14.37 54.07 0.07 45.85 1786 24494 0.65 0.27 0.00 0.00 29.71 1.07 29570 US DD 9 Fletcher 186 2980 16.02 50.92 0.34 48.74 1885 36211 0.74 0.63 0.00 0.00 39.84 1.39 29513 US DD 10 Gearing 82 1270 15.49 46.06 0.49 53.45 2210 41934 0.74 0.86 0.00 0.00 40.08 1.50 26875 Now lets talk about DD balance. IJNDDs are bad. Everyone knows that. But i cant say that exactly for shimakaze and gearing as they are doing OK-ish. Of course i have to point out that gearing is much better ship than shimakaze. Now lets see how high tier IJNDDs(except tier 10s) are doing. Fletcher 36k average damage vs Kagero 37k average damage Benson 24k average damage vs Fubuki 28k average damage Mahan 20k average damage vs Hatsuharu 23k average damage Please oh please can someone tell me how can gun ships do close damage to torpedo boats? Since when is that logical? Their average damage should be around 10k diffrent in each tier while their average exp stays the same. Also it is completly ...... to make a nation's class counter the same class in other nation. IJNBBs dont get counter by USNBBs IJNCAs dont get counter by USNCAs IJNCVs dont get counter by USNCVs(there might be some balance issues but it isnt intended to) But for some reason its logical to make USNDD counter IJNDD and at the end of line take away the single part that IJN gets compansated by "the torpedo range". That would be like giving USNCAs torpedoes after tier 7 That would be like giving USNBBs better long range accuracy after tier 7 (cant comment on CVs i really dont know their situation) IJNDDs the ninja destroyers! Except USNDDs get same consealment at the end of line IJNDDs the battleship hunting torpedo boats! Except USNDDs get same torpedo power at the end of line Even SNDDs get stealth torping at tier 8-9-10. What good does the IJNDDs have left? Oh by the way dont try to convince me that gearing has less average damage even though i said the get same torpedo power. That is caused by inexperienced captains not knowing how to use torpedoes effectively. Why? Well kagero has less torpedo power than gearing and its only 4k damage below gearing. And sharana dont say that high tier IJNDDs are fine you admitted otherwise before. You were the one to say that IJN ninjas dont fit high tier gameplay.

its a fun ship but not competetive. It drives people crazy

Hold on guys i am an expert on melting the mountains of lies Player Average for ShipClasses without PremiumShips (all players) [ at 2015/10/10 ] div name class players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point 1 Higher Tier BB 14165 195793 13.82 51.43 0.37 48.21 1903 48555 0.77 1.95 0.03 0.07 48.56 1.60 23455 1 Higher Tier CA 18141 194530 10.72 51.42 0.33 48.25 1601 31735 0.65 1.95 0.03 0.06 34.26 1.07 21435 1 Higher Tier CV 4525 47223 10.44 51.28 0.36 48.36 1985 47610 0.74 17.89 0.01 0.07 68.18 2.13 28951 1 Higher Tier DD 9428 123033 13.05 51.27 0.27 48.46 1580 25300 0.63 0.37 0.07 0.03 31.83 1.01 27164 2 Lower Tier BB 148021 1375168 9.29 49.50 1.47 49.03 903 26222 0.64 0.53 0.35 0.81 38.66 1.07 18522 2 Lower Tier CA 185693 1905838 10.26 49.29 1.18 49.54 810 19980 0.61 0.57 0.21 0.56 22.75 0.85 18987 2 Lower Tier CV 54051 389946 7.21 49.14 1.83 49.04 1065 27016 0.52 10.81 0.09 0.31 52.92 1.01 23683 2 Lower Tier DD 131208 1194642 9.10 49.54 1.11 49.36 811 17952 0.67 0.12 0.22 0.23 19.52 0.89 23134 (after 0.4.1) Low tier DDs surely have more kill/battle ratio than other low tiers but DDs have the worst kill/death ratio. So you know the stats dont lie my friend. DDs are no where near being OP(except umikaze)

sorry to break it to you but right now caps and aircraft kills give bad exp. The exp you get is mostly from the % of damage you did to your enemies. Killing a shimakaze from full health gives same exp as killing a yamato from full health

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görevler o kadar önemli değil ki? WoT daki tip görevlerin olması şu an imkansız. O oyun 5-6 yıllık bu daha yarım yılı bitirmedi.

the ship is problem. The important part isnt what YOU experience. The important part is what average experiences. The "OP" minekaze is now at 6th or 7th most average damage at tier 5(it was 2nd) dont know how the 10km torp change accomplished that but that is the result. Mutsuki sucks and it isnt because "the paly style change" that is an excuse. Proof Top %10 has 26.7k average damage while average minekaze player has 26.9k . IJNDDs are like the worst possible ships in game. There is no stuff like this in other classes when we talk about nation balance. An IJNBB doesnt get the worse hand when she meets USNBB. An IJNCA doesnt get the worse hand when she meets USNCA. An IJNCV doesnt get the worse hand when she meets USNCV. If there are specific ships you want to mention ignore them. Because non of them was mentioned to be countered by the same class diffrent nation ship. Like why would i rush for shimakaze when gearing is supposed to be countering me and gearing already has the long range stealth torping ability which was "gifted" to IJN? 3x5 torps? There is no magic in having more guns.

I agree with sims However i dont agree with murmansk. You see this ship is a really good premium ship. But not OP. The stats are excellent of course. There is nothing left to expect murmansk to be better than omaha in stats. I think what makes murmansk better in stats is the fact that it isnt a ship that newbies get. Everyone can get an omaha but not everyone can get murmansk. Since it isnt in game store the newbies usually buy it after they know how to play. You know how it is. They get up to tier 7-8 they start losing money and the search for premium ship begins. But by the time search begins they already know how to play and this ship doesnt face the toothed enemies.

just a little information text under cursor would be enough

DDs wouldnt be able to make an attack on BBs due to cruiser protection. In WW2 a BB would be dead against 4-5 DDs. I dont even understand what you are trying to say. BB is the most expensive class to build. They had to build cruisers and destroyers to protect those battleships. So in WW2 we can clearly say that the most usefull class list is carriers cruisers destroyers battleships battleships were expensive and mostly not effective. They were only seen effective at start of WW2 due to cruiser protection. But after carriers developed battleships lost their value. And now the list turned into this carriers destroyers cruisers

Also the patch is at 19 of september so probably they will delete teh event with patch which means your captains will be on their tier 1 ship and not in reserve

USN had 533 DDs against their 38 battleships IJN had 140 DDs against their 18 battleships RN had 434 DDs against their 23 battleships yeah i geuss its pretty clear that in WW2 DDs were more cheap and more effective.

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i didnt use prem at CBT and it was horrible with fubuki. My net result after all fubuki battles was definetly -300k or something. I suggest try umikaze, isokaze, minekaze as they are really good credit makers with such low repair