Userext

it actually is the start of OBT see there is no sign of that at WGEU website but i m pretty sure they mentioned about OBT launch being at 30th.

Before 0.4.0 destroyers would take hit but not always get engine damage or module damage. But now since they brought in a lot of skills about repair cooldown and that crit thing at 4th skill. They had to make them valuable. Why would DD players get that kind of thing if they wouldnt need it much. So they nerfed all light ships. This might not be a direct nerf as they could just buff HE. Which i think they buffed HE. WG always does this. Hidden stat changes.

You need to understand that BBs are not pure RNG ships. Battleships do not have problem. I seriously had enough with this crap already. You are an obvious fanboy. If you think you know anything about game balance just leave. Because you need serious help. There is nothing wrong with RNG. There is lucky people and unlucky people out there. Why dont you get out of your home and scream at people because they are lucky. If you cant deal with RNG in game how can you deal with RNG in real life? So leave this discussion already you are making a fool of yourself. You are a pure battleship fanboy.

but P2W factor cames in the second you block some stuff to people that doesnt pay real money WG had P2W factor before but now it doesnt. I think he is talking about teh economy change. Well.... Dont expect every world of ****** game to be same.

you are wrong there. As i said before everyone can fire and hit teh target right? Its not hard to aim. But if you remove the RNG factor they will have laser accuracy and therefore everyone will be able to citadel people. Your way doesnt solve it either. Because trying to "fix" a balanced stuff makes NO SENSE yes that was a sarcastic move there because you just dont get it. The "solution" you give us for the "unbalanced" style of BBs makes everyone be able to hit citadels all day long. And what did i say about fuso being able to oneshot yamato? Seriously guys there is no logic in trying to rebalance something that already is balanced. Quit whining. BB gameplay needed a tweaking which they did. Now there is no problem with it so go back to your cave More about battleships… Actually, more about AP shells: Armour plating penetration margin has been decreased from 20 caliber to 14.3. What does it mean? What kind of problems will we be able to resolve with this fix? As you may already know, 031 update redesigned the mechanics of armour. This caused a sharp increase in the armour value and significantly increased the number of ricochets for AP shells. In the last update, we changed the angle of the guaranteed ricochet slightly – after that change AP shells effectiveness increased. But we think that there’s more to do. The less than desirable effectiveness of the AP shells is clearly displayed when large caliber shells ricochet from relatively weak armoured cruisers. We often have a situation where cruisers get rowdy and go for battleships first, completely fearless of their big brothers, and shoot them down without worrying about the proper projection of their ship. After we implement the new update, there’s going to be less of these ricochets. Battleships will now crush the bow part and detonate on the bulkheads of the ship. Therefore, chances for the shells to explode inside the ship’s hull will increase significantly, as will hits to the citadel, when shooting with large caliber AP shells at the enemy located in the bow projection. Therefore, battleships large caliber AP shells should now become effective enough against cruisers and same tier battleships\ lower tier battleships facing you in the bow projection.

lol i realised it now. Edit: forgot the laughing face

You will get fined but he will receive the damage he has done to you. But with multiplied way. if he did 10k damage to you he will receive 20k damage. I dont understand why they keep teh friendly fire on but meh

yeah 30 sec reload is too much. Oh torpedoes? yeah well tier 10 have 2imn 30sec reload but sure a 30sec reload on BB is too much sure.... Here is how it goes. Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target is dead=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target change course slightly=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target change course heavily=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target decided to slow down=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target's engine took a hit and slow down=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target gets warned by the planes flying over the torpedoes=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target is tunnel visioning newbie gets panicky when hears to voice of aler turns away eats 2 toprs=20k damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target is tunnel visioning newbie but watched video about it turns away from torps or towards torps=0-10k damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target average joe sees you starts turning away=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target average joe doesnt see you but also doesnt tunnel vision=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target is a good player=0 damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target is distracted=0-20k damage Torpedoes starts to go the area you tell them to. While you are doing that your target is superuber bad player=0-10k damage The last one is low because that kind of guy usually already lost all his health. higher the RNG is higher the skill needed. This is not wot. Only thing RNG effects is dispersion. If RNG would effect penetration most of those overpens would do more damage. lower the RNG is lower the skill needed. Eveyone can point and fire. If you let citadels become more common everyone will be able to do citadel. Thus will lead to a horrible game., If you want more skilled gameplay you need less hit ratio. Because then only skilled people would be able to do decent damage

I am not sure if this is sarcastic?

no its not taken away low tiers jsut dont have enough AA or dont even have AA.

You dont need to play a class too much to be a fanboy Ok so you want your ship to be OP. you do good in it yet you complain and request them to be better. thats all i can understand from your words

Its ok if you disagree with me at some parts. But i am not a nice person after all those BB fanboy threads i cant be nice.

Yeah and high tier destroyers have 2 min 30 sec reload with less than %10 hit ratio and damage from 10k to 17k so whats your point? Btw if you didnt realise DDs require more skill than BBs. I m glad you realise that. If BBs would require more skill they would have less hit ratio(20-30% means you are bad average BB player has over %40) We are playing a game that is based on a battle 70 years ago your words doesnt make much sense. BBs had really low hit ratio but if they would let BBs have high hit ratio in game than what we have that would make it stupid. It would be fully based on RNG.

Ranzir, on 27 June 2015 - 03:03 PM, said: And because it is so critical where shell lands it doesn't matter that much whether RNG affects other calculations (penetration, damage). It is already plenty enough RNG when it decides that shot lands 20m off to certain direction and shells goes to some non-critical structure and yields minimal damage... or RNG decides to toss the shell 20m to other direction and that gives magazine detonation. End result is that RNG decided to give you either 1k damage or 10k damage... which is way more variation than damage roll on WoT and even more significant than pen roll on WoT. Dude DUDE i play destoryers i have less accurate guns called torpedoes. So stop talking trash and try to understand it the statical way. More accurate BBs would cause them doing too much damage. Now quit this discussion morti271, on 27 June 2015 - 03:04 PM, said: Ak, you are right. All others are wrong. You are a whiner i m tried to speak statically here logically but you didnt want to understand. I DONT CARE if your damn ship cant hit the bran from inside can it do average damage? Yes? THEN STOP COMPLAINING Ranzir, on 27 June 2015 - 03:05 PM, said: BBs can get nerfed to hell for all I care, not gonna play them anyways. My problem is just the RNG and it's effect on game. RNG doesnt effect the game much. If you think its hard to score hits and do damage why dont you try to look at it statistically? or why dont you try and make it hard to score for your enemy too? IF you thing something is disadvantage instead of whining about it so much try using it against your enemy. Maybe thats why it is in game

MatJan taht secondary thing according to Tuccy(? not sure dont remember the exact name) was tested in alpha stage. But secondaries started to rip apart everything in its range. That is why we dont have accurate secondaries in game. To all others i dont get you guys YOU keep complaining abotu how OP torpedoes are how they wouldnt do damage to battleships but you forgot that BBs in game are more accurate than you think take a look at here http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=274457

Buddy if i would be wrong all this test pahse they would buff all ship's main gun accuracy . So stop whining alright?

it can be a new player. or a kid. you never know

morti271, on 27 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said: What does it not say in game? I just said that the RNG dispersion, which has nothing to do with the actual aiming, loves to troll players. The first shot is pretty acucrate, but the second one has the maximum dispersion and misses the enemy by 100m. At least if you are in a battleship. That right there is a lie. morti271, on 27 June 2015 - 02:50 PM, said: What does a hit ratio has to to with the correct use of ammo? To use the ammo correctly you have to hit in the first place. And since both HE and AP shells have terrible dispersion in BBs the player really can't do anything about it but to pray all 30 seconds before leading his shots perfectly. You guys are complaining about missing shots. And then you say that hit ratio has nothing to do with it? First thing you need to learn is that You arent aiming perfectly you are just firing some shots hoping they will penetrate and do damage. Thats not how you become succesfull.

This is what i read. I do average to good in them. But i want to be able to do more i want my ship to be OP. RNG doesnt have a high impact on gameplay you guys are wot players therefore cant understand that RNG only effects at dispersion. The impact of shell is not randomised. This isnt like wot where you might or might not pen the same place you fired. I dont even think there is RNG on shell penetration. Ships are designed much more diffrent than tanks.

Play russian ships then you probably need the hand of stalin OK lets get this straight BBs dont miss most of their shots. I suck at BBs i had %48 hit ratio in my fuso and i dont engage at close range. If you dont know how to use He and AP shells you are going to have a bad time thats not because of RNG thats because you dont realise that angle of shell's impact and the place it hits is important

Are you sure about that? Because in game nowhere it says that

too decisive in damage dealing? seriously? Get lost buddy the truth is battleships have more average damage than destroyers and cruisers. Yes Cv beats them all but thats not the discussion. You need to understand that if you cant do good in a ship that means stop complaning about that ship until you get better. If you cant get better thats not the ship's fault thats your fault. Yes doing citadels might seem to you as your most powerfull side But as i said before. a fuso has the ability to one shot a yamato. That is just too much power. Lets say you do 1k damage with 11 shells and 10k damage with one shell. That equals to 21k damage everytime you shoot. in 5 min you can shoot 10 times 210k damage. Do you seriously think that kind of damage should be easy to get?

Ranzir, on 27 June 2015 - 02:07 PM, said: I know where to shoot, getting lead right is easy and distance is not much more difficult, but dispersion is beyond players control and way too decisive in damage dealing. Ok i m not going to take you serious anymore after that last part Okitank, on 27 June 2015 - 02:06 PM, said: But, Userext, Fuso is not that inaccurate when compared to Kawashi. You should try it to understand. I have missed a full well aimed salvo on a tenryuu that was 3 km away. Chamorro did too, on a chester. The opposite occured too, an ennemy Kawashi missed me at 4 km, every shell falling too short/too far away, but well centered. (I still blasted him after that, one of my best games. ) Those 3 cases happened in the 10 battles I needed to get rid of this ship. Combined with the fact that RNG is very bad on Kawashi (don't bother going AP on ennemy battleships, you have barely enough pen to citadel a tenryuu, nothing more.), low tier BB are painful to grind... I m sorry i never played kawachi. There was noce that bug where shots would go low. Yes this happend to me aswell but i was having desync problems that might be the case for you. I saw my torpedoes passing under battleship's bellies.

thats not related to player count. Yesterday at night there were 3600 players i was having major desync now there are 7k i m not having problems yet.

Ranzir, on 27 June 2015 - 01:49 PM, said: Wish I was, but these half over, half short groupings happen just way too often, really eats your will to play big guns... in cruisers or DDs with fast rof doesn't really matter as much. Also when you get good salvo / hits, you always have this nagging feeling that you just got lucky on RNG. I doubt they happen too much i had 40 games in fuso not too much yes and i m not a good player but playing cruisers will teach you a lot about aiming. Try to hit your first shot in cruisers if you do repeat it a lot until you understand where you need to aim from looking at their speed and to minimap(to see the course changes) Yes cruisers are able to risk it because of their high rof. BUT the key point is that if they miss they are going to receive damage faster. If you dont want to play CAs then try firing 1-3 or 1-5 type. That way you will not waste your shots. Broadside is only logical when you know you will hit. strata89, on 27 June 2015 - 01:53 PM, said: Hes not, salvos that lands just to all direction (infront, behind, left and right) of the target at the same time without hitting happens way to often. I doubt that battleships are long enough to hit them so shots missing towards left and right is your fault. long or short shots can be your fault at long ranges. Try to stay in 13k range at worst if you want to score hits