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I doubt anything changed between the time these details were given to you and you released it. There may be changes throughout their testing but you don't announce them as "ah there was a typo, that's not the real number" but instead you announce them in a seperate devblog. Me thinks you revealed a change that was supposed to come out in a later devblog and these concealment values are correct as they were given to you.

I disagree, it is better to preview detailed stats so we'll know what we are dealing with instead of vague promises. Just make sure the those detailed stats are correct ones.

Since you asked for feedback, here we are giving you our feedback. It's a great idea to give veteran players something to grind for. However, I disagree with any and I mean any even 0.000001% of a performance buff due to NTC. No. Why? -New players getting to T10 are going to get clubbed like new players at low tiers. You are basically carrying seal clubbing to higher tiers. -Competitive clans will absolutely force their members to grind even if it's only 0.00001% performance. I'm exaggrating but you should understand the point. -Recurrent players that are just not as dedicated to the game as competitive players will get seal clubbed too. What can you replace it with? Literally anything. Camoes, excellence marks, customizable shell colours, resources. Hell you could offer F2P players 100 flags from each combat flag and they'd still take it. Just no to ANY combat bonus.

I want to join!

Is this starting from today? Because I've been watching CC streams and I haven't received any twitch containers. My account is linked, I had received a twitch container during KotS

1-Exactly, many factors could contribute but this doesn't mean one factor that is very common, that we would have seen at the end of CBT, is the reason for 15 to 1 ratio. If this one factor was the main reason, then there would have been a similar case towards the end of CBT. 2-So I agree to what? If you mean that the CBT had quality issues on gameplay, that'd be correct. It wasn't perfect afterall. Obviously I don't want to go back to CBT setting as it didn't have the capacity to carry 6-7 different nations' ships. But CBT was doing something right that the current version lacks. This doesn't mean revert back to CBT. I do consider but people propose too shallow reasons. This high amount of ratio isn't going to be caused by shallow reasons. For example, newly introduced battleships will bring an influx of battleship players while draining players from other classes' pools. That is expected but that would be a short term influx and it would bring an influx of the new battleships rather than already existing ones. We will see this practice when french battleships are introduced. The game still follows a slight case of rock, paper, scissors. So when the number of battleships increase, cruisers are going to be negatively effected especially if they aren't specialized in anti-battleship warfare(aka good pen like british cruisers or good HE like russian battlecruisers).

Well that's tier10. I don't know how many times I have to repeat in this topic, T9-10 ships aren't problematic. It's below tier 9 that's problematic. Yet somehow that wasn't the case at release and the 3 months that followed it. This has always been a factor for battleship player count. Nothing new May I remind you this is an online game? It's almost impossible to have everyone enjoy the quality of play. There are people who still complain battleships are too weak because they can't succeed in them, somehow. But here's the case, I don't know what breaks the game. That's what I asked in the begining. I only know that the game is broken because there is "15 to 1, battleship to other classes" ratio. Remember about 3 months after the release the CVs had received a major buff(something with strike decks) which caused some people to rack up crazy amount of damages with up to 85% win ratio. I'm not interested in arguing with you, but jumping into my thread and telling people that arguing with me is pointless(which mind you I didn't start the arguements) is an aggressive behaviour or rather rude.

So you basically said "the op is lunatic" and then proceeded to agree with me? Even if I abandon PvP there is still missions that I can waste time in. Also weren't you on the carriers' side last time, claiming they didn't hurt the gameplay? Yeah, see how that turned out...

BBs directly aren't the problem but what pushes more people to play them. just like how it's not fun seeing 7 DDs in a match, it's also not fun seeing 7 BBs in a match. If I had my japanese DD I could have some fun with the BBs too. I've got the money and tier 8 unlocked but I don't know if they are still considerable threath to BBs Since you fail to read statistics... 2.8k in cruisers 2.3k in battleships However you didn't play a variety of cruisers. You kept playing the same cruisers over and over again. The same cruisers which you claimed OP(belfast) and which I claimed non-problematic(T9-10) These ships make up about 60% of your battles in cruisers. It proves that you don't actually play more cruisers than batleships, you just play the same cruisers over and over again because these specific cruisers are strong. Meanwhile your battleships in top 10 barely make 45% of your all battles in battleships.

Tirpitz 8 BB Germany 561 56.68% 67,131 1,341 1.6 1.0 2.6 36% 30% 10% 1,281 Atago 8 CA/CL Japan 432 59.49% 59,115 1,351 1.7 1.0 0.9 41% 37% 5% 1,462 Belfast 7 CA/CL UK 309 63.43% 68,175 1,466 2.7 1.4 1.6 48% 38% 0% 1,311 Scharnhorst 7 BB Germany 280 61.79% 64,992 1,316 2.1 1.4 2.3 35% 32% 15% 1,248 Yamato 10 BB Japan 234 54.70% 106,522 1,600 1.8 1.1 1.8 38% 32% 0% 1,228 Roon 9 CA/CL Germany 159 52.20% 56,986 1,240 1.4 0.8 1.3 42% 35% 4% 1,135 Zao 10 CA/CL Japan 159 55.97% 110,018 1,788 2.6 1.1 2.2 57% 41% 3% 1,382 Hindenburg 10 CA/CL Germany 155 59.35% 96,638 1,807 2.3 1.2 3.1 46% 37% 7% 1,397 Moskva 10 CA/CL USSR 144 52.78% 86,546 1,380 1.6 1.0 2.0 40% 37% 0% 1,136 Atlanta 7 CA/CL USA 140 55.00% 29,201 1,214 1.0 0.7 3.9 25% 28% 4% 1,079 Ah yes, keep playing obviously strong cruisers and claim you aren't a battleship fanboy.

- Yes that one cruiser line means all cruiser lines shall have the same advantage! Kiting doesn't matter when there are 5-7 battleships in the match. They'll spam enough AP that eventually some will do damage - 1-Doesn't influence the game 2-It's extremely easy to dodge torpedos, especially considering the hydro and radar some ships get. 3-Farming damage? You'd have to be really lucky to farm damage most of the matches(by gun) battleships can carry more easily than a DD can. 4-If a battleship gets hit by a ship torpedo it's completely their fault and their fault only 5-"Great Wall of Skill" means you are a battleship fanboy so it's not surprising that you feel this way against DDs. The phrase is a common fanboy cry. Would it irritate you if I told you battleships are known by devs and player base as the noob friendly class? -And again you are twisting everything. You can't take piece of facts and leave the rest. You can't combine the pieces you took so it can fit your world view. That's not how arguing works. " Are they interested in changing the system or should I abandon my cruisers and go for a battleship? Because currently I'm not enjoying my time in my cruisers. " This here isn't whining. There is an obvious line between whining and complaining/criticism. In case you are too ignorant to figure it out by yourself, whining is destructive whereas I was constructive here. I asked if I should play battleships rather than cruisers. I stated my opinion in a very calm way and said "I'm not enjoying my time in cruisers." " How did they have such good game in CBT and screw it up this much? " The current queue situation is 15 battleships to 1 every other class. Matches are 5-7 BB, 3-5 CA and 1-3 DD. Queue situation used to be 5 cruisers to 1 every other class. Matches were 1 CV, 3 BB, 6 CA and 2 DD So yeah, statistically it looks like a screw up. This is a fact, not a an opinion. "Sorry, but tha Alpha/CBT game-play will never return, the game evolved. For better or wors, this is it. Deal with it!" Did you deal with it when CVs were hammering the hell out of you, battleship players? No You whined on the forums for days. It's fine if the game is going towards "world of battleships". I'd just like to receive a notification so that I can switch to battleships aswell. At end, since you have proven yourself to be a battleship fan with the phrase "Great Wall of Skill", your opinion is worthless to me. You can contunie to reply like cpt_sparrow_jack but I'm not interested in getting baited to a flamewar.

-IF you keep twisting what people said then it's strawman arguement, not truth. -Well yeah. When there was stealth fire cruisers could keep a battleship in the sweet spot if there was no destroyer around which meant destroyers had heavy influence on cruisers. Since you get spotted the second you fire at a target within your range now, destroyers' influence is lowered. And honestly aside from capping and spotting DDs don't have influence over game. Take one away and battleships have higher influence(endurance, firepower) -It's not the same deal. Most cruisers are not suited to fight against 5-7 battleships. And again you are using one specific type of ship to support your arguement. Which generates a poor arguement. RN cruisers have smoke, what do other cruisers have? "Learn, adapt, overcome" -That's exactly why I came to forums. I'm not here to complain, I'm here to pick up on few tactics if any unbiased one is available. By unbiased I'm talking about the tactics battleship fanboys would give i.e "Just spam HE and you'll be fine!"

And there goes the strawman arguement. Can I just have a single day on internet without someone going "So what you're saying is...." on me? No I didn't say stealth fire was good or necessary. I didn't say those ships are in bad situation Also it's nice of you to talk about your ships but I couldn't care less about tier9+ gameplay and you shouldn't use tier 9-10 ships to argue about the balance below tier 9

I don't doubt that but the fun is mostly on mid tiers. Well, WAS on mid tiers No, it's not hypocritical at all because the most DD I saw was 4 and that was really rare. I said BBs are at least 5 and it's most of the time 7 per team. Normally DDs would have more influence than BBs but when there aren't enough cruisers around, their influence is reduced. Especially since stealth firing is a thing of past for most ships.

Because you know, there are ships other than RN CLs and DDs and there are people who want to play those other ships in a more stable environment