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She wasn't exactly a pure ASW ship, sure she hadn't a good AAA to start with but that was also true for the Spica-class which then became a reasonably good escort. Moreover most destroyers hadn't the sonar(considered in the starting design only in the latest ones) so these little ships would have been a huge jump forward. I don't know if there's enough room for a Re.2000, mainly because it requires a catapult and i don't think they have one. In any case that's why they considered the Bolzano conversion with 12 Re.2000s, which would have been a reasonable CAP. Sure a proper carrier would have been better but both Sparviero and Aquila came too late due to RM and their consequent reaction when British carriers kicked Italian butts at Taranto and Gaudo. At Taranto a carrier wouldn't have changed much but Aquila would have probably saved the day at Gaudo thanks to her planes and her reasonably good AAA compared to the rest of the fleet present that day.

Perhaps but she would have been useful in the ASW department in which the RM somewhat lacked

I don't have any idea on the dimensions. It's surely larger than the older Maestrale, how larger i don't know. I assume it will be somewhat similar to Navigatori as far as dimensions are concerned. I planned to go to La Spezia and (hopefully) find some juicy piece of info regarding a few Italian ships(and Maestrale Potenziato is one of them)

Tier VI: Caracciolo Story The Caracciolo-class is one of the many designs made by Rear Admiral Ferrati before the start of WWI. Compared to the other designs, characterized by the main armament placed in quad mounts(with either two, three or four mounts each), this class is more conventional and similar to British super dreadnoughts such as the Queen Elisabeth. Compared to the other two pre-WWI designs, Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio, she is a much more powerful ship. She was faster, better armed, better protected(with poor deck protection as most pre-Jutland designs) and with a good anti aircraft armament(for pre-WWI standards). Four ships of this class were planned: Caracciolo, Colombo, Colonna and Morosini. Of this four only the lead ship was launched but never completed. It was planned to convert Caracciolo to a carrier but that conversion never happened. She was then scrapped in 1921. Technical data Standard displacement: 31400 tons Full load displacement: 34000 tons Length: 201.6 m(water line), 212 m(overall length) Beam: 29.6 m Draught: 9.5 m Installed power: 105.000 hp Maximum speed: 28 knots Protection: 300 mm(belt), 50 mm(deck), 400 mm(turrets), 220 mm(battery), 400 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 381/40, 12x1 152/50, 8x1 102/45, 12x1 40/39 Refits: Due to the lack of historical refits and modernization some "what-if" elements will be required. The biggest changes should be on deck armor, secondary armament(the primary is fine) and AAA, just like in Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio with their modernization. I may think about plausible changes but it's not a priority. Tier VII: BC 1930 Story // Technical data Standard displacement: 26500 tons Full load displacement: // Length: 215 m Beam: 32 m Draught: // Installed power: // Maximum speed: 30 knots Protection: // Armament: 3x3 381/50, 4x3 152/55, 6x2 100/47, 8x533 mm torpedo tubes(2x4), unknown AA(most likely similar to Littorio which came soon after). Tier VIII: Littorio Story The Littorio-class is the most powerful battleship ever built in Italy. Develop in the early '30s, around the same time of the reconstruction of Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare, as an answer to the Dunkerque-class battlecruisers made by the French. Compared to the contemporary reconstruction of the Conte di Cavour-class was whole new story: better armed, with the newest 381/50, better protected, faster and with a good anti aircraft armament(for an early '30s project). The trade off was the displacement: the actual standard displacement was over 40000 tons while the value on paper was 35000 tons(to stay within the Washington Treaty limitations). Four ships were planned, in two badges: Littorio, Vittorio Veneto, Roma and Impero. The differences between the two badges are relatively minimal and focused primarily on increasing sea worthiness. Littorio and Vittorio Veneto were built before WWII(they were in training when Italy declared war) and fought in most of the largest engagements with the British. Both were damaged multiple times but both survived and surrendered to the British after the Armistice. They were interned in Egypt and then scrapped after WWII. Roma was built in 1942 and saw little action during WWII. She is most known due to how she sank on 9/9/1943(due to two Fritz-X bombs). Impero was still incomplete during the Armistice. Captured by the Germans, bombed by the Allies and then scrapped after WWII. It was planned a carrier conversion for this ship although it was still in the planning phase. Technical data Standard displacement: 40724 tons(Littorio), 40992 tons(Roma) Full load displacement: 45256 t(Littorio), 45485 tons(Roma) Length: -Littorio: 224.1 m(water line), 237.8 m(overall length) -Roma: 224.1 m(water line), 240. 7(overall length) Beam: 32.8 m Draught: 9.6 m Installed power: 128.200 hp Maximum speed: 30 knots Protection: 280 mm + 70 mm(belt), (210 - 70) mm(bulkheads), (350 - 280) mm(turrets), (280 - 50) mm(secondary turrets), 260 mm(CT), (162 - 90) mm(main deck), 45 mm(upper deck) Armament: -Littorio: 3x3 381/50, 4x3 152/55, 12x1 90/50, 8x2 37/54, 4x1 37/54, 8x2 20/65 -Roma: 3x3 381/50, 4x3 152/55, 12x1 90/50, 8x2 37/54, 4x1 37/54, 14x2 20/65 Refits: -Spring 1942, Vittorio Veneto: +8x2 20/65-Spring 1942, Littorio: +6x2 20/65 -1943, all: +EC-3/ter radar Tier IX: UP.41 Story UP.41 was a project made by Ansaldo, originally for the Soviet Union(which eventually chose to go for Project 23 as their new battleship). This design had supporters also in Italy: one of them was Admiral Pini(which ordered the construction of a dry dock at Taranto specifically design to build and maintain this ship). She was short lived in Italy due to the firm opposition of Admiral Cavagnari(at that time the commander in chief of the Regia Marina) and the project was abandoned. I have the technical data of the Soviet variant so i'll post that one(quoting from the original topic). The Italian variant will of course have Italian armament: the 152/55 mm instead of the 180 mm, the 90/50 instead of the 100 mm the 37/54 mm instead of the 45 mm and the 20/65 instead of the 13.2 mm. Since it's a project which was discontinued it will require some what-if upgrades, just like in case of Caracciolo(although UP.41 doesn't require that much what-if compared to the older BB). Tier X: 4-16/16-40 Technical data Standard displacement: 61200 tons Full load displacement: 66336 tons Lenght: 256 m between perpendiculars Beam: 40 m Draught: //(currently missing the data) Installed power: 195000 hp Maximum speed: 29 knots Protection: 50+(406 - 203) mm(belt), currently missing the data on the rest Armament: 4x4 406/56, currently missing the data on the rest

Sort of yeah . You're welcome!

Yeah but it had sense. She was designed to out run enemy capital ships and to gun down smaller vessels. Moreover with a single gun instead of two you don't have issues regarding shell dispersion caused by multiple guns firing at once. Besides the change wasn't that dramatic since she lost just two guns and traded that with speed. In any case i've shown Regina Elena mainly because she is the mother of this project. Cuniberti wanted to make something much better and he achieved his goal. He wasn't able to see his project come to life but at least he saw something even better before dieing(RN Dante Alighieri, the poor ship without a spot).

BATTLESHIPS Tier III: Cuniberti 17.000 t dreadnought Story On 1899 Italy issued the specifications for a new class of battleships, supposed to be fast and armed enough to fight against armored cruisers. Cuniberti issued a design which became the Regina Elena-class, a pre-dreadnought fast(over 22 knots as maximum speed 19.000 hp of installed power), with a relatively poor primary armament(only two 305 mm guns), a fairly strong secondary armament(6x2 203 mm guns) and reasonably protected(250 mm of maximum belt protection). Two ships of this class were originally planned: Regina Elena and Vittorio Emanuele. He then took the design and completely reworked it: the armament was changed from the two 305 mm and twelve 203 mm guns to twelve 305 mm guns, mounted in four singles and four twin turrets. The armor also increased from 250 mm to 305 mm as maximum thickness. Sadly i don't have any data regarding the installed power thought for this ship although it's safe to assume it's more than Regina Elena and that it was based on the new turbines instead of the old steam engines. This project was proposed to the Italian Navy for the 1902 program but it was rejected(the Navy chose to build two more Regina Elena-class, Roma and Napoli). The year after Cuniberti wrote an article on Jane's Fighting Ship about his latest design, becoming the first to theorize the all big gun battleships. Tier IV: Conte di Cavour(WWI) Story The Conte di Cavour-class is the second class of dreadnoughts built by Italy, after the Dante Alighieri. Compared to the original project of Cuniberti, developed years before, the Conte di Cavour follow the typical Italian philosophy: armament and speed over protection. Compared to the very first Italian dreadnought design there's a huge jump in firepower: from eight guns on a broadside to thirteen. Speed is also high, comparable to the old Regina Elena even though there difference in displacement is over 10000 tons. The downside is protection: belt armor dropped from 305 mm of the Cuniberti's Dreadnought to 250 mm, yet again comparable to the older Regina Elena. There were three ships of this class: Conte di Cavour, Giulio Cesare and Leonardo Da Vinci. The Da Vinci was lost during WWI due to an internal explosion on 2/8/1916 while at port at Taranto. She was recovered after WWI and scrapped. The other two remained in service and were rebuilt when the French built the Durkerque class(on 1933). Technical data Standard displacement: 22922 tons Full load displacement: 24250 tons Length: 168.9 m(water line), 176.1 m(full length) Beam: 28 m Draught: 8.7(standard load), 9.35(full load) Installed power: 31.000 hp Maximum speed: 21.5 knots Armor: 250 - 80 mm(belt), 220 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 mm(barbettes), 130 mm(battery), 280 mm(CT), 24 mm with 40 mm slopes(main deck), 30 mm(middle deck), 30 mm(upper deck), 44 mm(forecastle deck) Armament: 3x3 305/46, 2x2 305/46, 18x1 120/50, 13x1 76/50 Refits: -1920, both survived: +6x1 76/40 -1925, both survived: +2x1 40/39 Tier V: Conte di Cavour(WWII) Story After the refit they changed drastically, becoming some sort of battle-cruiser. The whole ship was modernized: the central triple gun turret was removed, the guns were changed(in this case better say rebored) to the 320/44, the secondary armament was changed with the modernized 120/50 in turrets plus the 100/47 acting as tertiary armament. The anti aircraft armament was modernized with the newer 37/54 and the 13.2/76 replacing the old AAA based on WWI designs. Also the armor was modified although the changes were less drastic. Of the two surviving ship one was lost during WWII: Conte di Cavour. She was disabled on the Raid on Taranto by the British on 11/11/1940, repaired at Taranto and then sent to Trieste for a refit. On that refit she was supposed to mount better AAA: 6x2 135/45 on DP mounts, 12x1 65/64, 10x2 20/65 and 3x1 20/65. The ship was still at Trieste when on 8/9/1943 and scuttled by her crew two days later. She was raised by the Germans and then destroyed by an aerial bombardment on 15/2/1945. Giulio Cesare survived the whole war, after becoming famous for one of the longest shots in history(hit by HMS Warspite). She was at Pola during the Armistice and she was able to sail to Taranto safely even though the captain had to handle a munity, some German attacks along the way and the fuel which was barely enough to reach the port safely. After WWII she was given to the Soviet Union as war prize. Technical data Standard displacement: 26400 tons Full load displacement: 29032 tons Length: 168.6 m(water line), 186.4 m(overall length) Beam: 28.6 m Draught: 9.15(standard displacement), 10.4 m(full load displacement) Installed power: 75.000 hp(93.000 hp forced) Maximum speed: 27 knots( 28 knots forced) Armor: 250 - 220 mm(belt), 170 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 + 50 mm(barbettes), 120 mm(secondary turrets), 130 mm(battery), 260 mm(CT), 100 - 80 mm(main deck), 44 mm(upper deck) Armament: 2x3 320/44, 2x2 320/44, 6x2 120/50, 4x2 100/47, 6x2 37/54, 6x2 13.2/76 Refits: -late 1940, both: -6x2 13.2/76; +6x2 20/65 -1941, Giulio Cesare: +2x2 37/54, +2x2 20/65 -1941, Conte di Cavour: -6x2 120/50, 4x2 100/47, 6x2 37/54; +6x2 135/45, 12x1 65/64, 4x2 20/65, 3x1 20/65 Tier IV: Caio Duilio(WWI) Story Also known as Andrea Doria-class by the name of the second ship this class is an iteration of Conte di Cavour with small improvements. The main difference was the secondary armament, based on 152 mm guns instead of 120 mm guns, and on the tertiary armament which increased in number(and acted as AA guns). Two ships were built: Caio Duilio and Andrea Doria. Both served during WWI, survived the war and remained in service until both went under reconstruction on 1937. Technical data Standard displacement: 22956 tons Full load displacement: 24729 tons Length: 168.9 m(water line), 176.1 m(overall length) Beam: 28 m Draught: 8.9(standard load), 9.5 m(full load) Installed power: 30.000 hp Maximum speed: 21 knots Armor: 250 - 80 mm(belt), 220 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 mm(barbettes), 130 mm(battery), 280 mm(CT), 24 mm with 40 mm slopes(main deck), 30 mm(middle deck), 44 - 30 mm(upper deck), 44 mm(forecastle deck) Armament: 3x3 305/46, 2x2 305/46, 16x1 152/45, 13x1 76/50, 6x1 76/50 AA Refits: -1925, both: +6x1 76/40 Tier V: Caio Duilio(WWII) Story They had a similar reconstruction of Conte di Cavour with the difference in the secondary armament: the secondary was based on the newer 135/45 in three gun mounts while the tertiary was based on the newer 90/50 in single mounts. The anti aircraft armament was also considerably improved, making them more protected against enemy planes(that happened before the raid on Taranto). They survived WWII and served with the MMI until 1956 when both were stricken. Technical data Standard displacement: 23887 tons Full load displacement: 28882 tons Length: 168.9(water line), 186.9 overall length Beam: 28.6 m Draught: 9.1 m(standard load), 10.4 m(full load) Installed power: 75.000 hp(87.000 hp when forced) Maximum speed: 26 knots(28 when forced) Armor: 250 - 220 mm(belt), 170 mm(upper belt), 280 mm(turrets), 280 + 50 mm(barbettes), 120 mm(secondary turrets), 130 mm(battery), 260 mm(CT), 100 - 80 mm(main deck), 44 mm(upper deck) Armament: 2x3 320/44, 2x2 320/44, 4x3 135/45, 10x1 90/50, 6x2 37/54, 3x1 37/54, 8x2 20/65 Refits: -1942, both: +2x2 37/54 -1944: -3x1 37/54; +2x2 20/65

As far as i recall Durazzo was under Serbian controlled at that time(i may be wrong). In any case i'm sure those weren't Italians since Italy never had territories on the other coast until after WWI

I assume things will change also in the US tree since poor Smith can't do much against Umikaze.

Yeah i'll take my time, especially since Italy won't come anytime soon. That's better than what the MMI provided at least.

Durazzo was an Austrian port, not Italian. Italy never controlled Durazzo which is on the other side of the Adriatic.

I know, i saw that image and i laughed at it since that's Duca degli Abruzzi(that secondary armament layout is present only in that class since Ciano was supposed to have the single 90/50). Next time i go to La Spezia i will ask about it plus other things, like information on where to find stuff about the projects made by Ansaldo. Regarding Etna and Vesuvio i actually considered them but i don't really know how to place them. Or rather said i placed them above Condottieri I because of the AA conversion she has and it would make sense. The reason why i haven't listed them is simple: with Atlanta now moved to the premium list i assume they will be placed there and i will do them with the plausible premium list(eventually). In my opinion that would just be a placeholder since i still hope to have them in the line

Tier VII: Trento Story The Trento-class is the first heavy cruiser built under the Washington treaty. As most Italian ships of the '20s and early '30s the Trento-class was designed to be fast: if forced its machinery was able to make her sail at 36 knots. To achieve this result the machinery had to be powerful but, most importantly, heavy(over 2300 tons in weight), leaving the rest to armor and armament. The most sacrificed aspect was the armor since it wasn't able to protect the ship from 8" shells. Armament on the other hand on paper wasn't that sacrificed: eight 203/50 in four twin mounts as primary and sixteen 100/47 in twin mounts as secondary. The main issue was the fact that the primary armament mounts weren't that successful and spacing wasn't that great(as shown in the image above). Two ships of this class were built: Trento and Trieste. Both served with the fleet and took part on the major engagements between the Italian and British Navies. Both were lost during the war: Trento was damaged by torpedo bombers and then sunk by a submarine on 15/6/1942 while Trieste was lost during an aerial bombardment of the port of La Maddalena(a base in Sardinia) on 10/4/1943. Technical data Standard displacement: 10344 tons Full load displacement: 13344 tons Length: 190 m(water line), 197 m(overall length) Beam: 20.6 m Draught: 6.8 m Installed power: 120.000 hp(150.000 hp forced) Maximum speed: 34 knots(36 knots forced) Armor: 70 mm(belt), 60 - 40 mm(bulkheads), 50 - 20 mm(decks), 70 - 60 mm(barbettes), 80 mm(turrets), 100 - 40 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/50, 8x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62, 4x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1937/1938, both: -2x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62; +4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76 -1942, Trento: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x1 20/65 -1943, Trieste: -4x2 13.76; +8x1 20/65 Bolzano Story Considered as a "magnificently executed mistake" the Bolzano is an iteration of Trento done some years after, while the Zara-class was already in construction. Due to the similarity to the older half-sisters is sometime considered as part of the Trento-class although there are some differences between the two. The main ones are the following: the primary armament was changed, replacing the older turrets mounted on Trento with the newer ones mounted on Zara(with the newer 203/53) and then a reworked machinery and then the anti aircraft armament was changed a bit(the older 12.7/62 were replaced from construction by the 13.2/76 in twin mounts). Bolzano primarily served with the fleet and was damaged by a submarine on 13/8/1942. She was towed to La Spezia where repairs were started. It was thought a conversion to a "semi-carrier"(12 planes with 12x90/50 and 20x20/65 as AAA), conversion which didn't happen due to the Armistice. She was still under repair when the Armistice became active and the Germans took control over her. She was then sunk on 22/6/1944 by Italian frogmen on chariots. Technical data Standard displacement: 10890 tons Full load displacement: 13665 tons Length: 187.6 m(water line), 196.9 m(overall length) Beam: 20.6 m Draught: 6.8 m Installed power: 150.000 hp Maximum speed: 36 knots Armor: 70 mm(belt), 60 - 40 mm(bulkheads), 50 - 20 mm(decks), 70 - 60 mm(barbettes), 80 mm(turrets), 100 - 40 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/53, 8x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x2 13.2/76, 4x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1934: -2x1 40/39, -1937: -2x2 100/47, -2x1 40/39; +4x2 37/54 -1942: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x1 20/65 Due to the similarities with the Trento and considering how i treated the Condottieri-classes i think it's wiser to place Bolzano with her half sisters as preset. Regarding her conversion since the planes weren't supposed to be recovered i don't think she can be considered in that configuration. In both cases things may change. Tier VIII: Zara Story The Zara class is the best cruiser available in the Italian Fleet. The original design was supposed to have a 200 mm thick belt with a speed reduced to "only" 32 knots. There was just a problem: the displacement exceeded the Washington limitation by almost 4000 tons. To make the project fit the designers started to reduce weight as much as possible: the belt thickness was reduced to 150 mm, the torpedo tubes were eliminated and the hull was reshaped(degrading sea worthiness in the process). The weight was decreased but there were still over 1500 tons in excess. Instead of cutting down that excess Italy decided to forget about it and say the displacement was 10000 tons. Four ships of this class were built: Zara, Fiume, Pola and Gorizia. Three of them were lost at Cape Matapan. Gorizia survived because she wasn't part of the same division of her three sisters and thus not sent to retrieve the disabled Pola. She was then damaged at La Maddalena when the Trieste was lost, towed to La Spezia and captured by the Germans. She was scuttled by the crew during the Armistice, salvaged by the Germans and then sunk again by Italian frogmen on 26/6/1944. Technical data Standard displacement: 11712 tons Full load displacement: 14330 tons Length: 179.6 m(water line), 182.9 m(overall length) Beam: 20.6 m Draught: 7.2 m Installed power: 95.000 hp Maximum speed: 32 knots Armor: (150 - 100) + 30 mm(belt), 120 - 90 mm(bulkheads), 70 mm(main deck) 20 mm(upper deck), 150 - 120 mm(barbettes), 150 - 120 mm(turrets), 150 - 70 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/53, 8x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62, Refits: -1937, all: -2x2 100/47, 4x1 40/39, 4x1 12.7/62; +4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76 -1940, all: +2x1 120/15 -1942, Gorizia: -2x1 120/15; +2x2 37/54 Tier IX: Ansaldo cruiser for Spain CL variant CA variant(with the 3x3 configuration) I don't have that much info on this project other than the technical data. Displacement: 16.000 tons Lenght: 213.9 m(water line) Beam: 22 m Draught: 6.65 m Installed power: 200.000 hp Maximum speed: 37 knots Armor: (150 - 50) mm(belt), 120 mm(bulkheads), 70 mm(main deck), 25 mm(upper deck), 150 mm(barbettes), 150 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 203/53 or 3x3 203 mm or 4x3 152/55, 12x1 90/50 or 6x2 90/50, 8x2 37/54, 4x2 20/65, 2x1 20/65, 2x4 533 mm TT I will update when i have more information on this project NOTE: I found a good picture of the CL variant of the ship, hopefully i'll be able to find also pictures of the CA counterpart ->done Tier X: Ansaldo project for Russia I found the technical info for this cruiser, i'll try to find more info on the story behind her plus a photo(although it will be problematic). Technical data Standard displacement: 22.000 tons Full load displacement: 26.700 tons Length: 241.5 m Beam: 28 m Draught: 7.45 m Installed power: 240000 hp Maximum speed: 37 knots Protection: //(i still have to find details on that) Armament: 3x3 250 mm, 6x2 130 mm, 6x2 100 mm, 32x45 mm, 2x3 533 mm torpedo tubes(all the guns are Russian but the ship should get the Italian counterparts). Italinized armament: 3x3 254/55(from UP.90), 6x2 135/45(from Capitani Romani, Etna and the planned refit for Conte di Cavour), 6x2 90/50(from Ansaldo CA and UP.41), most likely AA based on the newer mounts As for the project for Spain i will update when i have more info.

With the Condottieri-class was kinda difficult, it's nice knowing it was liked . Now i'll start with the heavy cruisers since tomorrow i will be kinda busy, i hope to deliver at least the three built ones for today! I won't be able to write a lot about the projects placed at tier IX and X(especially the one at tier X) but i hope to get some more info on them soon enough.

It took two years to see the British and the German fleet shooting at each other in a rather inconclusive battle and from then on nothing happened. Where those ships wasted? In any case the reason why they spent most of their time at port it's evident in this case, even though it wasn't that much safer in port(Viribus Unitis knows something about it).

Tier IV: Condottieri II - Cadorna Story The Cadorna-class is a modified da Giussano, built for better seaworthiness. There were also other changes like a newer main artillery mount(the turrets were more spacious while the guns remained the same), new positioning of the catapult(between the second funnel and turret number 3), better starting AA and better protected conning tower. These changes made the Cadorna-class a bit more successful than the previous one although it was the last of the kind totally devoted to speed as main protection. Two ships of this class were built: Cadorna and Diaz. Diaz was sunk on 25/2/1941 by a british submarine while on an escort mission. Cadorna was at Taranto on 8/9/1943 and sailed to Malta with the fleet. She remained under Italian control even after WWII and served as training ship until 1951. Technical data Standard displacement: 5232 tons Full load displacement: 7080 tons Length: 160 m(water line), 169.3 m(overall length) Beam: 15.5 m Draught: 5.5 m Installed power: 95000 hp Maximum speed: 36.5 knots Armor: 24+18(belt), 20 mm(bulkheads), 20 mm(decks) 40 mm(turrets), 70 - 25 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 152/53, 3x2 100/47, 2x1 40/39, 4x2 13.2/76 2x2 533 mm TT Refits: -1938, both: -2x1 40/39, 4x2 20/65 -late 1943, Cadorna: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x1 20/70 Oerlikon -1944, Cadorna: -2x2 533 mm TT Tier V: Condottieri IV - Duca d'Aosta Story The Duca d'Aosta-class is basically an enlarged Montecuccoli-class with small improvements. The improvements where primarily done to fix weaknesses of the previous class: the armor was improved(although marginally), the amount of anti aircraft guns was increased and the twin torpedo tubes were replaced by triple ones. Two ships of this class were built: Duca d'Aosta and Principe Eugenio(the samesake is the same of Austro-Hungarian battleship and the German cruiser Prinz Eugen). Both took part in numerous engagements with the British and stayed with the fleet the whole time. During the armistice they were at La Spezia and sailed to Malta with the fleet. After WWII Duca d'Aosta was given to the Soviet Union(as Kerch) while Principe Eugenio was given to Greece(as Elli). Technical data Standard displacement: 8610 tons Full load displacement: 10672 tons Length: 171.8 m(water line), 186.9 m(overall length) Beam: 17.5 m Draught: 6.5 m Installed power: 110.000 hp Maximum speed: 36.5 knots Armor: 70 + 35 mm(belt), 50-30 mm(bulkheads), 35 - 30 mm(decks), 70 - 50 mm(barbettes), 90 mm(turrets), 100 - 25 mm(CT) Armament: 4x2 152/53, 3x2 100/47, 4x2 37/54, 6x2 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT Refits: -1943, both: -6x2 13.2/76; +10x1 20/70 Oerlikon -1944, both: -2x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 20/70 Oerlikon Tier VI: Condottieri V - Duca degli Abruzzi Story The Duca degli Abruzzi is the final class actually built of this long line. Compared to da Giussano it's a whole new beast: armor was increased even further, the main armament was modified totally with new gun and new turrets(granting better spacing between barrels) and the heavy anti aircraft armament was changed(with two twin turrets mounting 100/47 per side). The biggest change is, as it happened(too late) with the destroyers, the loss of importance of speed: Duce degli Abruzzi had a maximum speed of "only" 34 knots compared to the 36.5/37 knots of all previous classes. This drop is mainly due to the fact the displacement grew while the installed power dropped slightly. Two ships of this class were built: Duca degli Abruzzi and Garibaldi. Both served with the fleet for the whole war. After the Armistice they remained under Italian controlled and patrolled the Atlantic with the Allies. After WWII they served with the MMI. Duca degli Abruzzi was stricken on 1961 after being the flagship since 1956 while Garibaldi remained in service until 1971 after being refitted as missile cruiser(the first of its kind in a European fleet). Technical data Standard displacement: 9440 tons Full load displacement: 11575 tons Length: 171.8 m(water line), 187 m(overall length) Beam: 18.9 m Draught: 6.8 m Installed power: 100.000 hp Maximum speed: 34 knots Armor: 100+30 mm(belt), 100+30 mm(bulkheads), 40+(15 - 10) mm(deck), 100 - 30(barbettes), 135 mm(turrets), 140 - 30 mm(CT) Armament: 2x3 152/55, 2x2 152/55, 4x2 100/47, 4x2 37/54, 4x2 13.2/76, 2x3 533 mm TT Refits: -1943, both: -4x2 13.2/76; +4x2 20/65, 2x1 20/65 -1944, both: -2x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 100/47

Nah i don't mind, on the contrary it helps a lot. Having another pair of eyes increases the chances of finding errors . Regarding the US cruiser line yeah it compresses a lot. I know the US made some projects before choosing Brooklyn so i assume they could have used them instead of Cleveland(which is pretty much a scaled down Baltimore with 12x6" instead of 9x8"). I'm sure it will change eventually since the other CLs placed at tier VI can't compete

Yeah, sorry. I'm doing all these ships in bulk and i can derp(that's why i'll use/abuse you as grammar/terminology nazi ). Regarding the cruiser line yeah, i thought the same while starting the Condottieri-class. I'll do them regardless since the ships will pop up eventually, where who knows(and rearranging the line takes less effort than building it from scratch).

It will take a long way before i reach the Littorio-class but eventually i'll get there. If tomorrow goes according to plan i can try to finish the cruiser line the day after(excluding the tier X due to the fact i haven't that much info on her). Then i'll go on holiday so the battleships will have to stay on hold until i'm back.

You're welcome! Glad you enjoy the read

CRUISERS Tier I: Eritrea Story RN Eritrea was a ship specifically designed to serve in the colonies in Africa. She was designed to fulfill multiple roles but her primary job was to support the subs based there. The construction started in 1935 and completed in 1937. After a mission off the coast of Spain(in that period there was the Spanish Civil War) she was rebased in Massaua. She stationed her until the 18/2/1941 when Supermarina(the Navy High Command) gave the order to sail to Japan and force the British blockade(at that time the British were conquering the Italian colonies). During the night she set sail towards the destination reaching Kobe on March. After reaching Japan she supported the submersibles which transported goods to Japan and fulfilled that role until the Armistice. On that day she was sailing to reach the Cappellini and, after getting the message, she sailed toward Ceylon avoiding Japanese patrols. She then supported Allied subs until the end of the war when was given to France in 1948. Technical data Standard displacement: 2165 tons Full load displacement: 3068 tons Length: 87 m(water line), 96.9 m(overall length) Beam: 13.3 m Draught: 3.5 m normal load, 4.7 m max load Installed power: 9100 hp Armament: 2x2 120/45, 2x1 40/39, 4x1 13.2/76 Refits: -1940/1941: -2x1 40/39, +2x2 37/54 Tier II: Quarto/Nino Bixio Quarto Nino Bixio It may look strange to have two ships in the very same slot but there's a reason. They share the same armament and protection and they differ primarily in size(Bixio is bigger and heavier than Quarto), speed(Quarto is marginally faster) and armament layout(Bixio could bring to bear more guns than Quarto on a broadside). Both were developed around the same time and they are the base for the development of the line i placed above. Since they are fairly similar i decided to use them both in the same slot as presets. Quarto will be the stock configuration(even though she was overall more successful due to better machinery), and Bixio as final preset. Story Both Nino Bixio-class and Quarto were developed before WWI as scout cruisers. Quarto was a one-ship class while Nino Bixio had two ships: Nino Bixio and Marsala. All three served during WWI on the blockade arranged on the Adriatic to box in the Austro-Hungarians. All three ships survived WWI and kept service in the Italian Navy after that. From then on the three ships have different fates: Marsala and Bixio had to be scrapped because their machinery degradaded(Marsala on 1927, Bixio on 1929). Quarto on the other hand had a much better machinery which kept her going for quite some time. She served in the Italian colonies, replaced Libia in China and then come back home on 1938 to support the war effort during the Spanish Civil War. During that year there was an accident on the boiler room which caused her retirement. She was used as target from 1939 and then scuttled to obstruct the port at Livorno on 1944. Technical data Standard displacement: -Quarto: 3271 tons -Bixio: 3575 tons Full load displacement: -Quarto: 3442 tons -Bixio: 4141 tons Length: -Quarto: 126 m(water line), 131.6 m(overall length) -Bixio: 131.4 m(water line), 140.3 m(overall length) Beam: -Quarto: 12.8 m -Bixio: 13 m Draught: -Quarto: 4.1 m -Bixio: 4.1 m Installed power: -Quarto: 25.000 hp -Bixio: 22.500 hp Maximum speed: -Quarto: 28 knots -Bixio: 26.8 knots(Bixio), 27.5 knots(Marsala) Armor: -Quarto: 40 mm(deck), 100 mm(CT) -Bixio: 40 mm(deck), 100 mm(CT) Armament: -Quarto: 6x1 120/50, 6x1 76/50, 2 450 mm TT beam (submerged) -Bixio: 6x1 120/50, 6x1 76/50, 2 450 mm TT beam(submerged) Refits: -Quarto: -1936: -3x1 76/50; 3x2 13.2/76 (in 1927 a sea plane was added but i don't think it will have it ingame) -Bixio: -1920, both: +2x1 40/39 Tier III: "Esploratore oceanico variante II" Story //(to be updated) Technical data Standard displacement: // Full load displacement: 4750 tons Length: 130 m(overall length) Beam: 14.6 m Draught: 4.8 m Installed power: 42070 hp Maximum speed: 29 knots Protection: 50 mm(belt), 25 mm(deck), Armament: 6x1 152/50, 5x1 40/39, 10x533 mm torpedo tubes(2x3 and, from what I can gather from the image, 4x1) Refits: //

Yeah i thought so too. I chose "destroyer leaders" because it's the closest to the concept(sort of). I'll fix that though. Andrea Doria is the second ship of the Caio Duilio-class, she is just more known than the lead ship. In any case i don't think she would be able to compete at tier 6 while Caracciolo is fairly similar to other ships of that tier in terms of primary armament(Revenge, Queen Elisabeth, Bayern), developed around the same time. In any case the battleship line will require some work, plus it will take some time before i reach them(i have to finish the cruisers first).

LARGE DESTROYERS Tier II: Poerio Story The Poerio-class is the first large built by Italy. It was developed after the failure of the explorer cruiser Nino Bixio which wasn't satisfactory. Originally it started as a destroyer with a heavy focus in torpedo armament with eight torpedo tubes in total(two twin torpedo racks per side) and four 102/35 guns as main armament. Before entering service however the armament was changed: two torpedo racks were removed and replaced with additional guns. Three ships of this class were built: Poerio, Pepe and Rossarol. All three of them served actively during WWI in the Adriatic supporting MAS and escorting convoys and major vessels. Only Rossarol was lost, on 16/11/1918 due to a mine. After WWI the surviving Poerio and Pepe served with the Italian Navy until 1938, when they were given to the Spanish Nationalists. Technical data Standard displacement: 1028 tons Full load displacement: 1216 tons Length: 83.1 m(water line), 85 m(overall length) Beam: 8 m Draught: 2.8 m(standard load), 3.1 m(full load) Installed power: 24.000 hp Maximum speed: 31.5 knots Armament: -Original project: 4x1 102/35, 4x2 450 mm TT -As built: 6x1 102/35, 2x2 450 mm TT Refits: -1917, all: +2x1 40/39 -1918, Poerio: -6x1 102/35; +5x1 102/45 -1918, Pepe, Rossarol: -6x1 102/35; +6x1 102/45 Tier III: Mirabello Story The Mirabello-class is another large destroyers developed during WWI. It is a further step forward compared to Poerio. Mirabello was considerably larger than Poerio and that made space for a larger array of guns. Eight guns were mounted: either eight 102/35 or seven 102/35 plus a 152/40. The 152 mm however didn't last long because it was causing too much stress on the ship and was then replaced by the usual 102 mm. Three ships of this class were built: Mirabello, Riboty and Racchia. All three served during WWI and survived. Racchia was lost on 21/7/1920 near Odessa while escorting a convoy full of ex Russian POWs taken from the Austro-Hungarians. The other two surviving were still in service when WWII broke out and served primarily as escorts. Mirabello was lost due to a mine on 21/5/1941 during an escort mission. Riboty survived and remained under Italian control until the end of WWII. Riboty was the most active Italian destroyer of WWII and due to her extensive use she was discarted by the Soviet Union(originally was supposed to be given as war reparation). She remained at Taranto until the demolition happened in 1950. Technical data NOTE: as for now i will exclude the 152 mm since there aren't known ships with mixed primary armament, especially since it got replaced. Standard displacement: 1784 tons Full load displacement: 1972 tons Length: 101.1 m(water line), 103.4 m(overall length) Beam: 9.7 m Draught: 3.3 m standard load, 3.6 m full load Installed power: 44.000 hp Maximum speed: 35 knots Armament: 8x1 102/35, 2x1 76/40, 2x1 6.5/80, 2x2 450 mm TT Refits: -1920/1922, Riboty, Mirabello: -8x1 102/35; +8x1 102/45 -1922/1923, Riboty, Mirabello: -2x1 76/40; +2x1 40/39 -1942, Riboty: -2x1 102/45, 2x1 6.5/80; +1x1 40/39, 2x1 8/80 -1943, Riboty: -2x1 102/45, 3x1 40/39, 2x2 450 mm TT; 6x1 20/70(Oerlikon) I don't think the 1943 refit will be implemented ingame since it would sacrifice too much firepower for AAA which isn't exactly that critical at tier III, especially since the 1942 refit is already good enough for a tier III destroyer. Tier IV: Leone Story As for the contemporary destroyers in the early '20s the large destroyers got further improvements on their design and the fruit of such improvements is the Leone-class. This class is larger than the predecessor with improvements on primary and torpedo armament. The primary armament was based on the new 120/45 in twin mounts while the torpedo armament was based on triple tubes instead of the twin tubes used before. All the armament was placed along the center line which made the Leone more effective than the predecessor. This improvements came at a cost since the full load displacement grew and, also due to a slightly reduced installed power, there was a small loss in maximum speed. Five ships were originally ordered: Leone, Pantera, Tigre, Lince and Leopardo. Only the first three were built and saw service, primarily in the Italian colonies in East Africa. All three were lost during the war: Leone struck uncharted rocks on 1/4/1941 while Pantera and Tigre were scuttled on 3/4/1941 to avoid capture. Technical data Standard displacement: 1745 tons Full load displacement: 2289 tons Length: 109.6 m(water line), 113.4 m(overall length) Beam: 10.3 m Draught: 3.2 m(standard load), 3.6 m(full load) Installed power: 42.000 hp Maximum speed: 34 knots Armament: 4x2 120/45, 2x1 76/40, 2x1 6.5/80, 2x3 450 mm TT Refits: -1931/1932, all: -2x3 450 mm TT; +2x1 40/39, +2x2 533 mm TT -1936, all: -2x1 76/40(to make room for the air conditioning system so this won't be considered) -1938, all: +2x2 13.2/76, +2x1 6.5/80 -1939, all: -2x2 13.2/76, -4x1 6.5/80; +2x2 20/65 Tier V: Navigatori Story The Navigatori-class was developed in response to the new French destroyers classes Jaguar and Guepard. They are unique as far as destroyer development is concerned because they are the only class with an echelon configuration for their engines(only the III series of Medaglie d'Oro had that same configuration). Other innovations compared to Leone are on the primary armament(with the 120/50 replacing the older 120/45), better AAA and better torpedo armament although the arrangement is unusual(two triple racks with two 533 mm TT one the sides and one 450 mm TT on the center). Twelve ships of this class were built: da Mosto, da Recco, da Noli, di Verazzano, Malocello, Pancaldo, Pessagno, Pigafetta, Tarigo, Usodimare, Vivaldi and Zeno. They were used primarily as escorts for convoys to and from Africa. During such missions most of the ships of this class were lost and, due to this reason, i prefer to talk about the ones i find worth mentioning. The ships worh mentioning are the Tarigo, the Vivaldi and the da Noli. The Tarigo was sunk during an escort mission on 16/4/1941. On that day she faced alone four British destroyers(HMS Jervis, HMS Janus, HMS Nubian and HMS Mohawk) and before going under she was able to hit HMS Mohawk with torpedoes, crippling her(she had to be scuttled). For this action the captain, Pietro de Cristofaro, and the chief engineer, Luca Balsofiore, got the Medaglia d'Oro. Vivaldi an da Noli have a sadder story: they survived until the Armistice and based at Civitavecchia when the Armistice became active. They were supposed to carry the King and his entourage southwards. The King decided to go to Pescara and the two destroyers had new orders: to go to the Maddalena and meet with the rest of the fleet. Both were sunk on their way by the Germans: da Noli was first hit by German coastal batteries based on Corsica and then hit by a mine. Vivaldi was badly hit by the coastal batteries but she was able to sail on although at only 10 knots due to the engine compartment being hit. She was then hit by German bombers and, due to the extensive damage, forced to scuttle. The captain, Alessandro Cavriani, and the chief engineer, Virginio Fasan, remained on board to speed up the process and both sank with the ship. For their action they received the Medaglia d'Oro. Technical data Standard displacement: 1935 tons Full load displacement: 2580 tons Length: 105.5 m(water line), 107.3 m(overall length) Beam: 10.2 m Draught: 3.4 m Installed power: 50.000 hp Maximum speed: 38 knots Armament: 3x2 120/50, 2x1 40/39, 2x2 13.2/76, 2x(2x533 mm +1x450 mm) TT Refits: -1933/1934, all: -2x(2x533 mm +1x450 mm) TT; +2x2 13.2/76, 2x2 533 mm TT -1939/1940, all except da Recco and Usodimare: reconstruction(new dimensions 109.3x11.2x4.2 m, displacement 2125/2888 tons); -2x2 533 mm TT; +2x3 533 mm TT; +2x2 13.2/76 -1940/1941, all survived: -2x1 40/39, 4x2 13.2/76; +(7-9)x1 20/65 or 20/70 -1942 Antonio da Noli, Nicolosso da Recco, Lanzerotto Malocello, Leone Pancaldo, Antonio Pigafetta, Ugolini Vivaldi, Nicoló Zeno: -1x3 533 mm TT; +2x1 37/54

Yeah you're right, my bad. At the end it had a similar configuration of Legionario of the Soldati II-class. Thanks for pointing that out!