Deamon93

Most ships had underwater tubes but thise were removed because they were useless.

Until we get the Italian section we have to use English only(already asked). Anyway I don't know if there is an Italian clan out already, I'm not well informed on that regard.

Takao would get roflstomped by Des Moine, stating otherwise is plain wrong. Heck DM was deaigned to be the ultimate cruiser and with the guns she mounted good luck finding a proper counterpart from the built CAs

Well tonnage wise they are cruisers(except O-class which is a BC): Deutschland was designed to use in the most effective way the tonnage limitation of 10000 tons. D and P are revised iteration of the original design meant to improve it in terms of protection, firepower and speed. Depending on where Deutschland goes should be more or less easy enough to place the others but the problem is exactly that. I think she may go at tier VI as cruisers with the other ones placed accordingly but that's just an educated guess. O on the other hand has other issues since she is pretty much a BB sized ship with not so great protection and very high speed. I encountered similar ships while making my Italian tree(Italy made similar designs) but I must confess I decided not to work on those due to the fact balancing them would be a pain. Of course I would love to have as many ships as possible so I hope WG will find a way to add them.

The pocket BBs are cruisers, not battleships. They should end up in the cruiser line, assuming WG finds a way to balance them. Moreover for sure O-class isn't a tier VIII: her armor is crap and her firepower is meh. Moreover Scharnhorst could have the same firepower but she is much better protected and she loses just a few knots in terms of speed. Having O above Scharnhorst doesn't make much of a sense.

Maybe it's too early to say. Or someone made them an offer they can't refuse . Just joking since at the moment I'm still working on a few things. Plus possibly new lines on the US and Japanese ones. At least the US CL line was planned.

New lines will be added and Ectar said the RN is next. There's no eta but I'm sure they'll release info before hand, kust like usual

Cuniberti made zome designs for them but I don't recall if he was directly involved in the project with then became Gangut. Granted there are similarities with RN Dante Alighieri but then again they had to operate in kind of similar seas(Adratic and Baltic). Still it's rather pointless discussing about that. Back to the main discussion the game has to be able to bring profits home so what they have done up to this moment makes sense. I'm sure the nations who innovated will come eventually, although it will take time.

The Folgore-class was the second iteration of the Dardo-class. Still you're right: the MC 202 was called Folgore as well

Shinano had 50ish planes OR pieces of 100+ planes. She was fairly big but as proper carrier she wasn't able to carry that many of them.

Depends on the tier. Still they should be competitive enough although who knows which ships will be premium(I will soon do some proper educated guesses in my topic about it but they should be treated as such). The problem of documentation is the access to the archives. I haven't tried personally so I can't say but a friend of mine went to the Ansaldo foundation and they told him they won't grant access to private people(he works for Ansaldo). Italy as well kind of has the same issue regarding the tier X BB, then again so does UK(sort of). PS: sorry for multiposting but answering to everyone was impossible in a single one.

WG said they'll work on German and Russian trees and Ectar said UK is next. No ETAs are known but they'll come. I know it may be an issue for some people waiting for new content but, as everything else, adding new stuff takes time. Italy has enough battleships, cruisers, destroyers and even project carriers to fill an entire tree. Sure there are some issues here and there but pretty much all the other trees have at least an issue. Leningrad was crap, hence why they went to OTO and asked for Tashkent. Still you can see a lot of Italian influence already in the Russian line from tier V upwards. Same can be said about the cruisers(from Kirov upwards), with some influences in the BBs(Projekt 23 has something in common with the Italian ways of building ships). Tell that to HMS Kingston which got a 15" shell to the face from downtown. Besides what happened during WWII is more complicated that that. What was left of the RM fought along side the Allies. Still in just three years they saw more fleet engagements than Germans and Russians combined and that's easy to verify. They aren't that similar so it would be better to start from scratch. Besides Capitani Romani should be the counterpart of Khabarovsk so she shouldn't meet Kiev. The Russian navy had a lot of potential which weren't able to exploit due to the Revolution and Barbarossa. It would still make sense having them from the technical point of view. As far as I recall there wasn't a direct influence, although Cuniberti made some projects for the Russians(Cuniberti helped developing RN Dante Alighieri and was the first to write about the dreadnoughts). v, on 27 January 2016 - 07:40 PM, said: But they are not so build a bridge and get over it. If you owned a business you would be bankrupt due to selling to a marginal fan Base. I bet you there are more Russian's playing this game than Italian's. That's not the point though. It's what the overall population may or may not want. Granted WG works on single server/communities but that doesn't mean that a player from a specific community may or may not want his/her own nation first. Money is more important than anything else. Moreover there are also other factors to take into account(how easy is t get access to archives etc etc). Grevny was based on Maestrale, not on Dardo(project from which Maestrale was based on).

persubway, on 26 January 2016 - 06:42 PM, said: Ehm WG... nice to see asian and chinese DD... but come on. Still no news for the italian fleet (and the french one?). That's a plenty of famous and good ships to add. They will come, when is still unknown. Still the new Chinese ships are just slightly modified Grevny and Benson so they required much less work than a totally different ship so all in all it's an understandable marketing operation(reasonable income at a low cost, to remain faithful with made in China ). It's just a question regarding news on the ships. There's no need to be that rude. They haven't said a precise ETA so hard to tell. Italian ships may show up without spending too much time since the Russian had them(you could reverse engineer RN Giulio Cesare in case they add Novorossysk as premium). Then agan we'll see. Asking if there are news =/= saying "gib x ships nao plox". He then gave his opinion but the main point was the question: he asked politely and you people should answer in kind. You're confusing what the Art department does and what the people who work on the modelling do. One doesn't exclude the other. They haven't lost time, that's the point. What they did is to improve the potential of getting more money from the Asian server(Arpeggio, Panasian tree) without spending a fortune for it. We got them because otherwise people would whine about different content for every server(it happened in other occasions). Besides there aren't late 50s ships ingame. New ships will come. The fact that adding new content is slow is due to the fact working with ships takes longer time.

Since there isn't a section dedicated to that it came to my mind the idea of having a topic supplementing the lack of it. RULES 1)This topic is about collecting all the suggestions and ideas regarding tech trees and so on so, please, try and avoid off-topic 2)Since it's possible for me to miss topics in the forum and since I would rather not have something like "where is x(name of an important ship)?" please send me PMs with the link to the topic(if it's not in here yet). I'll view it(mainly to avoid "where's x?") and then post it in the proper post. 3)To improve it even further the "service" I would leave a post after the topic related ones where all your requests are collected. As example someone could need a graphical expert to make images or needs to find specific info on something etc. By doing so would be relatively easy to track all the needs and, hopefully, find a way to fulfill them. Just post them in here and I will collect them(of course they will be removed when the need is fulfilled). 4)I'll take into account all the suggestions so whenever you have an idea let me know here so others can comment on it. The topic is technically mine but the whole point of it is to give the community a tool we currently lack of so the decision is yours. Yours sincerely Deamon93

Most likely that tipic got archived. I may open a topic to collect all the least known ships which may show up eventually to replace it. I may miss a few names here and there but then again to have a nice topic on that regard takes some time.

So after getting my topic regarding my Italian tree relegated to the Fan section i was wondering if EU can have a section in which people can post their own ideas regarding tech trees, ships and so. The idea is taken from the fact the NA forum has it and it has been used quite a lot. I know this poll may or may not be considered by WG but would be nice to see what the forum users think about it. To whom may not know the original NA section here's the link: http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/forum/45-ideas-for-the-tech-tree-and-new-ships/page__prune_day__100__sort_by__Z-A__sort_key__last_post__topicfilter__all#topmost Have a nice day! Deamon93

I made that topic(here). Hopefully in time it will become an useful tool, although not as powerful as a dedicated forum section but it'll do.

Those are in French though so not everyone can understand them. Still I'll add them, annotating the fact they are written in French so people are advised.

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SUGGESTIONS: US SUGGESTIONS: Japan SUGGESTIONS: UK SUGGESTIONS: Germany SUGGESTIONS: France Crazy_defender_2(French): http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/20100-etude-dun-arbre-francais/ fdt(French): http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/23282-cuirasses-francais/#topmost Crazy_defender_2(French): http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/20113-etude-d-un-arbre-francais/ Crazy_defender_2(French): http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/29263-destroyer-francais/ SUGGESTIONS: Italy Deamon93: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/5453-fan-made-italian-tech-tree/page__pid__86402#entry86402 SUGGESTIONS: Russia SUGGESTIONS: Other nations Chamorro, Spain: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/18373-spanish-tech-tree-proposal/page__fromsearch__1

It's not that, otherwise WG would have had all the interest in removibg all the suggestions. There are suggestions, my topic about the Italian treed is an example, there isn't a confined section to have them all. Besides those are suggestions and ideas, WG isn't obliged to follow them. The game is theirs and by suggesting you don't do anything to compromise that. Moreover the whole point is to discuss what might be implemented and not to say that is set in stone.

The point? Because the point of such section/topic is to have a place where to collect all the ideas and talk about them. What Wg does or doesn't do isn't that relevant(heck the topic would bypass WG outright, without violating the rules) Exactly that. Techically they could do that but it would cost a lot to make it statistically relevant. Then again an elegant option would be to present the poll immediately after logging in while the port loads. It wouldn't steal too much time but I don't know how viable it is technically. That could work and shouldn't be too difficult to code. Then again it's not my forte so can't say for sure

Depends if they use just the raw amount of data or they elaborate it(ie number of votes or percentages). Still the most problematic psrt is to make enough people vote to make them an useful tool, until then they could be sort of indicative but not decisive. Well I'm here in the forum first and foremost to improve it every way possible. I'll think about a format in the night and post ittomorrow morning if studies don't get too much in the way

Brynd said there won't be such section so I meditated on a possible solution: how about having a topic with the links of all proposals? Wouldn't be as effective as the section but at least gives an idea and it's better than nothing. Of course it is just an idea, all your opinions will be taken into consideration. Polls need a lot of voters to be statistically relevant though. If WG finds a way to solve that issue would be interesting but I doubt they'll do that

Australia isn't part of Asia though. Still it's more probable they'll stay with mommy UK, just like the other Dominions