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Raider_, on 16 November 2013 - 03:42 PM, said: Excellent and detailed information. Nice one +1 Thank you! Tomorrow(or later today) i will finish with '42 and '43.

Smederevac94, on 16 November 2013 - 02:18 PM, said: Nice info mate, tnx for sharing :honoring: You're welcome! It's quite complicated(i don't want to lose any ship) but still seems working fine :). After finishing this i could make dedicated topics about the single ship classes(which don't have one yet of course)

How the Italian Navy looked like during 1941 BATTLESHIPS -Conte di Cavour-class: 1 operational(RM Giulio Cesare) -Caio Duilio-class: 2 operational(RM Caio Duilio finished the repairing on May) -Littorio-class: 1 operational(Littorio, repaired in May 1941), 1 damaged(Vittorio Veneto, damaged during the battle of Cape Matapan on September the 28th by a British torpedo bomber, repaired in July and then torpedoed again on December 14th by the British sub HMS Urge). CRUISERS WWI cruisers -San Giorgio sunk by her crew during the fall of Tobruk on January 22nd -Bari and Taranto still operational Heavy cruisers -Trento-class: all three still operational -Zara-class: three out of four sunk during the battle of Cape Matapan(RM Zara, RM Pola and RM Fiume). RM Gorizia still operational Light cruisers -Da Giussano-class: two out of three cruisers sunk(RM Alberto da Giussano and RM Alberigo da Barbiano during a transport run on December the 13th), RM Giovanni dalle Bande Nere still operational -Cadorna-class: 1 operational(RM Luigi Cadorna), 1 sunk(RM Armando Diaz, torpedoed by a British sub near Tripoli on February 25th) -Montecuccoli-class: both still operational -Duca d'Aosta-class: both operational -Duca degli Abruzzi-class: both operational DESTROYERS -Mirabello-class: 1 sunk(RM Carlo Mirabello due to a mine on April 31st), one operational(RM Augusto Riboty) -Leone-class:all three sunk by her crew after the loss of the African colonies(RM Leone on April 1st, RM Tigre and RM Pantera in the night between April 3rd and 4th) -Sella-class: all operational -Sauro-class: all sunk during the night between April 3rd and 4th due to the same reasons of the Leone-class -Turbine-class: the two remaining Turbine-class(RM Turbine and RM Euro) were both operational(Euro finished her repairing in March) -Navigatori-class: the RM Leone Pancaldo was still under repairs. Two were sunk(RM Luca Tarigo during a night engagement with the British on April 16th, RM Alvise da Mosto during another night engagement with the British on December the 1st). The other 9 were still operational -Freccia-class: three disabled(RM Dardo in an incident while towed into the Palermo port on September the 23rd, RM Strale got stuck in the coast near Tripoli on June 21st and then sunk by the sub HMS Turbulent on August the 6th, RM Lampo was badly damaged during an escort mission on April 16th and then stuck on the Kerkennah sand banks. She was towed back to port only on August 11th). RM Baleno and was sunk during an escort mission of April the 16th and the RM Fulmine was sunk during another escort mission on November the 9th. -Maestrale-class: 1 damaged(RM Grecale during the escort mission on November the 9th) and 1 sunk(RM Libeccio, sunk on that same action). The other two ships(RM Maestrale and RM Scirocco) were still operational. -Oriani-class: two sunk(RM Vittorio Alfieri and RM Giosuè Carducci during the battle of Cape Matapan), two still operational(RM Vincenzo Gioberti and RM Alfredo Oriani) -Soldati-class: all the remaining 11 still operational

RedRist, on 16 November 2013 - 12:38 PM, said: Ok typical Battleship goes with 35km/h. And a battle will last for 15 minuts max, in this time u barely swim about 25% of map The shells will travel in seconds to distances up to 40 km so there's no problem. Usually ships stayed at 20+ km from each other so, if the spawn points are places correctly, the possibility to win/lose due to the loss of the whole team is quite likely

turumaji, on 16 November 2013 - 12:31 PM, said: Very good navy for italy. , think they made great work. Btw great post mate :teethhappy: It was enough although it wasn't used so well. Moreover most of the ships had a huge flaw: too small AA armament(in comparison to other navies designs). By the way it's a pleasure, i'm learning also quite a few things about what our navy was which is nice :eyesup:

How the Italian navy looked like from June 10th 1940 to December 31st 1940 BATTLESHIPS -Conte di Cavour-class: 1 operational(RM Giulio Cesare, damaged by HMS Warspite in the battle of Punta Stilo on July 9th), 1 disabled(Conte di Cavour, disabled on the Raid over Taranto in the night between November 11th and 12th. She never came back into service) -Littorio-class: 1 operational(RM Vittorio Veneto), 1 damaged(RM Littorio, damaged on the Raid over Taranto) -Caio Duilio-class: 1 operational(RM Andrea Doria), 1 damaged(RM Caio Duilio, damaged on the Raid over Taranto) CRUISERS WWI cruisers -Unprotected cruisers: all operational -Armored cruiser: operational Heavy cruisers -Trento-class: all operational -Zara-class: all operational Light cruisers: -Da Giussano-class: all operational except the RM Bartolomeo Colleoni(sunk near Capo Spada on July the 19th) -Cadorna-class: all operational -Montecuccoli-class: all operational -Duca d'Aosta: all operational -Duca degli Abruzzi: all operational DESTROYERS -Mirabello-class: all operational -Leone-class: all operational -Sella-class: all operational -Sauro-class: all operational -Turbine-class: 1 operational(RM Turbine), 6 sunk(RM Aquilone and RM Borea on a raid over the port of Bengasi on September 17th, RM Espero on a transport run to Tripoli by RN ships on June 26th, RM Zeffiro sunk during an attack on Tobruk on July the 5th, RM Nembo and Ostro sunk during another attack on Tobruck on July the 20th), 1 damaged(RM Euro, damaged on the Tobruk attack on July 5th) -Navigatori-class: all operational except the RM Leone Pancaldo, disabled during a raid over the port of Augusta on July 10th -Freccia-class: all operational -Maestrale-class: all operational -Oriani-class: all operational -Soldati-class: all operational except the RM Artigliere, sunk during a battle against the RN near Capo Passero on October 12th

Hugly, on 15 November 2013 - 11:06 PM, said: Other than Italian tanks, i think we got some good reasons to see the italian fleet ingame one day... Well we hadn't good tanks. We had nice planes and nice ships, although both had a minimal impact on the war itself(planes due to the fact that the good planes came too late, ships due to the fact that we lacked of fuel).

RedRist, on 15 November 2013 - 09:13 PM, said: ouch so getting thro entire map would take a while for biggest ships :amazed: Well planes need space and cannons too. Otherwise they would have chosen the good old ships of the line :teethhappy:

RedRist, on 15 November 2013 - 08:39 PM, said: hmmm how big the maps will be? As far as i remember the smallest one is 40 by 40 km

BelRiose, on 15 November 2013 - 06:38 PM, said: I'll pay for it... An italian ship even without an italian TT... :playing: The italian TT will be implemented eventually ;)

RedBear87, on 15 November 2013 - 05:47 PM, said: Tier 8 premium? Kaga premium? I hope not, i would like to sail with her without spending money ^^

Daimon_Frey_89, on 15 November 2013 - 05:26 PM, said: I really don't know what are the plans but if we have two lines already and now Ev!n said that Kaga is also 8 tier (when we have 8 tiers in both lines already), what other choice do we have than to add 3rd line? I have no idea what other CV's could be there, maybe Kaga will be only one tier spin off, who knows... Japanese tech tree is ready! http://img19.imagesh...9/7346/r7gc.jpg Can anybody tell me why I could post pictures earlier, and now forum is continuously saying: "You are not allowed to use that image extension on this community." ? Maybe could be a tier 8 parallel to either branch. WG did something like that in WoWP with IL 8 and IL 10. For the other thing i don't know really, sorry ^^

BelRiose, on 15 November 2013 - 12:21 PM, said: NP, one more topic on italian ships is always good! :great: I will try to make other topics soon enough ;)

BelRiose, on 15 November 2013 - 12:10 PM, said: Me too, at the begin of the forum activity... http://forum.worldof...ian-battleship/ :wink: I haven't seen that, sorry ^^.

BelRiose, on 15 November 2013 - 11:54 AM, said: Why not Novorossiysk/Giulio Cesare, at least as a premium ship, in the Soviet Tech Tree? This was the best russian battleship on duty of all time... http://en.wikipedia....p_Giulio_Cesare I've done a topic about her(http://forum.worldof...7542#entry37542) The Novorossiysk could be a premium, in the main russian line could be weird.

The Reggiane had to land on an airstrip though ao it wasn't efficient. It was a desperate try to solve the problem

Yarrik, on 13 November 2013 - 03:02 PM, said: Yes, I forgot to add, that the Kriegsmarine had in the mid-late 1930 the idea to bring this design to life, but they don't did it in favor of newer ship designs...so the radar and most of the AA armament is from the redesigned version. The original design from 1918 had only the 8.8 cm AA guns or the 10.5 cm AA guns. So i guessed right. Don't worry, everybody can forget to write something ^^. Anyway the 30s version could be easily a high tier ship, maybe for a slow BB branch(although 26 knots is not so bad)

RedBear87, on 13 November 2013 - 12:55 PM, said: What about the complete lack of naval aviation and the insufficient coordination with the Regia Aeronautica? I counted that on point 1(the Roma was sunk because the Regia Aeronautica misunderstood where she was and they left her without any cover)

Yarrik, on 12 November 2013 - 07:51 PM, said: The L 20 a-class was a conceptual design for a new class of battleships for the Kaiserliche Marine during World War I. The work on the first blueprints started in 1916, during the design process, it was decided that the utmost concern was that the ships could be built quickly and placed into service. It was also decided to discard the use of broadside belt armor below the waterline, the attachment of which was an extremely long process. The design staff believed that the higher speed of the new ships - 26 knots - would make them less vulnerable to torpedo attack, so the armor there was unnecessary. The main battery was arranged in four twin turrets, as in the preceding Bayern class. The four turrets mounted two 42 cm SK L/45 guns, for a total of eight guns on the broadside. The 42 cm SK L/45, a larger caliber than any other known at this time - including those being developed by the Americans and Japanese - was developed under strict secrecy, and was officially a 40.6 cm gun to avoid suspicion. The secondary battery should consists of twelve 15 cm guns mounted in casemates. The main anti-aircraft battery was to have consisted of either eight 8.8 cm AA guns or eight 10.5 cm AA guns. There were also three submerged torpedo tubes, either 60 cm or 70 cm in diameter. On 2. October 1917 the working on the design plan was finished, and the construction should be started 11. September 1918. Some sources states that there were 4-6 ships ordered and laid down shortly before the end of the war. Characteristics: Length: 238 m Beam: 33.5 m Displacement: Normal: 43,800 t Full load: 48,700 t Draft: Normal: 9 m Full load: 9.9 m Speed: 26 knots estimated Range: 8,000 nmi at 19 knots Armament: 8 x 42 cm SK L/45 naval rifles (4 x 2) 12 x 15 cm SK L/45 naval rifles (6 x 2) 8 x 10.5 cm SK C/06 L/45 anti-aircraft guns (4 x 2) or 8 x 8.8 cm SK L/45 anti-aircraft guns (4 x 2) 24 x 3.7 cm SK C/30 anti-aircraft guns (12 x 2) 44 x 2.0 cm SK C/30 anti-aircraft guns (6 x 4, 20 x 1) 3 x 60 cm or 70 cm torpedo tubes Fire Control and Radar: 2 x FuMO 26 Seetakt surface-search/fire-control sets + 10.5 m Zeiss stereoscopic optical rangefinders (forward conning tower, rear conning tower) 1 x FuMO 30 Hohentwiel surface-search radar (foremast yardarm) 2 x Stabilized AA fire director (abaft main tower) 1 x FuMB 4 Sumatra passive radar antenna (main tower) 4 x 10.5 m Zeiss stereoscopic optical rangefinders (main turrets) Armor: Belt: 350 mm above waterline, 50-130 mm below waterline Deck: 50-120 mm main deck, 20-40 mm forecastle deck Forward Conning Tower: 300 mm sides, 130 mm roof Rear Conning Tower: 200 mm sides, 50 mm roof Main Turrets: 350 mm faceplates, 250 mm sides, 305 mm rear, 150-250 mm roof; 250-250 mm barbettes Secondary Battery Turrets: 45 mm front, 30 mm sides and roof Magazines: 100 mm armored box Complement: 2,200+ crew estimated A nice design although seems weird that AA armament plus the presence of the radar. The first one is overkill for WWI planes while the second was invented almost 20 years after WWI ended. Maybe the designed got "refitted" later, i don't know :)

Fiold, on 12 November 2013 - 06:53 PM, said: Yes, but Italy had superior forces in the Mediterreanen and could literally blow England out of the water. For some time England 2 old battleships in the Mediterrean (Valiant and Queen Elizabeth, which were later badly damaged). Italians had 6 (later 7) battleships (including 2, later 3 very modern). One can't win a war by hidding himself and avoiding battle. The main problems of the Regia Marina were these: 1)Bad chain of command(especially in the period immediately after the Armistice with the Allies when we lost the Roma due to a misunderstanding between officers). 2)Our lack of fuel: many battleships where obliged to stay in harbor because they had no fuel to go anywhere. That was more evident between 42 and 43 in which almost no battleships went out from Taranto or La Spezia(the two main naval bases)

The Confederates had very nice ships, or rather said floating tanks. It's a shame most of them were destroyed by their own creators

That's why i wasn't sure about the R12 Hermes. Centaur yeah should be fine, we have to see. I don't think she's suitable to be at tier 5 or 6(the tiers in which there are no ships yet).

demonaii, on 12 November 2013 - 11:27 PM, said: If it's true that she carried Cold War jets then I think it should be removed, what do you think? The carrier itself is simply a moving box, they could easily put other planes in the complement. Should be easier to count how many, the HMS Hermes(now INS Viraat), is still around so they could easily measure how large the hangar is.

mr3awsome, on 12 November 2013 - 07:53 PM, said: I think we will, because the complement isn't particularly large and there are other factors that make it balanced Well it's a light carrier class so the complement is relatively small. I don't know what kind of planes could carry, counting the fact that she carried Cold War jets

mr3awsome, on 12 November 2013 - 07:48 PM, said: Its the third one of a series of carriers of that size and capacity (The others being the Colossus class and Majestic class) Yeah i checked ^^ it went into service quite late so i don't think we will see her although could be a possibility anyway.