Beastofwar

Why the hell are we playing this game then ? To be misarable and drag ourselves through irritation and frustration ? The rework came with a new balance that was obviously well thought out. Some finetuning would have been enough. But WG made the error of permitting 4 of even 6 CV per match. Then you get such a disturbed balance, so many aircraft attacking the same targets ( especially those with the weakest AA = DD ) no nerf is going to make that right. But all these nerfs do wreck CV play. They should reprogram MM to allow 2 CV per match ( 1 per side ) and roll back all the nerfs. Or at least reprogram MM and make the nerfs softer in limiting CV players. You may notice there are almost no hard nerfs felt in T4 CV play. Only in T6 you get to feel them, in T8 they really limit you. And T10 i think make playeing so enjoyable, most don't want to do that anymore.

I never had the impression that good stats really means you are a skilled individual player that enjoys all classes, all types and all modes of the game.

Well i do...in ranked i saw multiple type BB bow tank my Mushashi 's incoming AP at maximum-ish range.....the few shells that hit due to dispersion did mainly no damage. When i see that i'm not going to get an armour table or shell penetration table and do maths over if that is right......i just load up HE's, hopefully molsest modules and see if it catches fire. Then go back to AP when we get into closer range. A friend of mine concluded that is in not very usefull to fire AP at ranges over 10 km. In my experience that range is flexible but he is not fully wrong i think. Maybe that negates the effect plunging fire can have ( bow tanking having little effect ) but it seems to match what i see happen in game.

Well premium time equals earning more credits, and it's mostly credits i need climbing through the tech tree. And credits i could not earn not being able to play. I guess that is proper compensation. Now only to get it.....it's monday, but i haven't seen any method of claiming yet.

I do, but it is my least favorite class....too bad there was no CV there but they have become rare.....i don't think that is strange and you know why.

But aircraft were the greatest threat submarines faced when close enough to land masses. Even on the open ocean they had to fear smaller convoy support CV's aircraft, (merchant)ship launched catapult fighters ( 1 time use ) armed water planes and flying boats and very long range heavy bomber marine patrol aircraft. Escort DD could only act when the convoy was under attack. And could very well and were sunk by submarines too. I share your concern the submerged time was a little too short in the haloween event to be usefull in random matches. Being forced up in the most inapropriate times will make them very unenjoyable to play. And it would cheat DD and CL out of the thrill of finding and depth charging the submarine. Movies were made out of that.....would be a blunder not to incorperate that in game.

Well i love the game but i'm not going to learn all the armour values and gun penetration values by heart.......i will just act on what i expect to happen and what i actually see happening when the shells hit. AP has a much higher damage potential if they do not bounce, shatter or overpenertrate. So AP is my prefered shot unless i expect it to overpen right away.

WG knows that..... :-)))

As did i :-) If WG is wise these submarines would be just a variation of the DD class we know and true to most WWI and WWII submarines until late WWII : they have to travel on the surface for acceptable speed ( on diesel engines ) and mainly attack on the surface just like DD. They only dive to escape being gunned down ( just like in the halloween event ) by DD and CL. When they are submerged they cannot remain there long but can be engaged with hydro and depth charges. On the surface they are susceptible to cannon fire and aircraft weapons. Even more balancing would be the rate at which they can submerge. Not too fast.... Some later war Submarines would be able to do nightmare stuff such as be under water all the time - with a breething pipe (schnorkel) just under the surface - and be rather speedy on electric motors under water too. But that would cause imbalance if they cannot be hunted down properly. Hydro, sonar and radar should be able to detect them but still.....the player base does not like weapons that in skilled hands become very powerful against them.

I was wondering.....trying to get some mission requirements done faster ( did finish the Exeter ones ) i did Coop and many of my ships shot bot recon planes down.....do these count too ? If so it can save you frustration......albeit it will not be a fast way to do it.

To all above....some people have to work and sleep, do family stuff and so on so could have been not playing untill logging in during the server fail.......and couldn't. So they were struck by not being able to play just as any other player not being able to play and arguably even harder because they have little time to play so couldn't catch up later. Why should these players receive no compensation ? And no i will be receiving it.....was playing that day. No whining, just expressing that i am wondering over the conditions of compensation.

I learned about ships before ( was educated as a ships engineer, but never went to sea ) and read a lot about the Pacific war, Battleships and warship engineering but never saw anything but photo's, drawings in books and models in museums. To have super detailed ship models to play with is the greatest attraction of the game to me. But the idea of fighting ships and aircraft was already there in the Amiga-era with playing Harpoon for hours. RTS CV did look a bit the part actually :-)) Someone said Submarines were not used in sea battles. He was right. But they sure were near sea battles, many crippled ship not killed by (own) DD were sunk by them. Many warships were sunk on their way to battles or on routine patrols. But submarines did fight (escorting) DD. A staggering amount were lost due to submarines striking first or fighting back. Submarines even shot down aircraft, and a few specific ones were even used as RL lure&bait AA traps. I think they can have a place in WOWS that is not based on pure fiction. The real submaries - except for the very late war ones - were just too slow to be in position to be in sea battles. But pre-positioned ( was attemtped a while before the battle of Jutland ) submarines could have.

Does this give me some right to have an opinion ? I have enough skills to fight against accuracy nerfs, firing delay nerfs, spotting range nerfs, buffed target AA, flood nerfs, rocket damage nerfs, turning radius nerfs and torpedo damage nerfs and much more i forgot for now. AND do reasonable ( other CV's incl the Tier X ones did 1200-ish ) in a tier IX-X match while i have tier VIII aircraft. By the by i killed 1 DD myself and one other nearly. Both were hunting our CV's. Nerfs only f&ck up gameplay, do not prevent killing DD. I said i do not wish to do more damage, i don't even have to win as i'm not some stat idiot.....i wish only not to fight harder against nerfs then i do fight a game enemy....it is the latter i should fight for a good game !

That seems a silly thing.....you have to had played a game to be able to claim compenstation....but what of those that were not able to log in and did not play a game ? Methinks these players were griefed most ?

Why ? You won't go to hell because you are already in it.....at least some religions say that. For all i know it might even be true if the protective "bubble" around you fails for some reason and you see some serious sh*t in the world showing what it really is. But you are right...if it were not true we would make it a hell all by ourselves by hating each other for no reason at all.

Using german battleships are you ? Some really seem to get citadels or worse with every AP bomb. I am happy with this as AP bombs seem useless against most other targets......

BB can be seen from outer space......attract fire from there too. They can be rapidly burned down by HE spamming machinegun firing rate DD or CL popguns too despite any counter measures such as captain points and ship upgrades. Many don't take a ninja torpedo wall out of nowhere well too......depends on their torpedo bulkheads and what WG saw fit to balance. They were nerfed by much reduced AP fire on DD condemming many to death as waiting 30 sec for changing ammo is not an option when a ninja cloacked DD pops up in your face. And BB are the ship type to fire aerial torpedo's at that have the highest chance on hitting, same goes for dive bombing. Besides that BB better shoot the right ammo on the right target which can be challenging if you play different tiers and do not know your targets armour right out of your hat.....or it flies through it with no damage done, bounces or does not penetrate.......or does unnescesary low damage if you spam HE yourself. Far from overpowered i'd say. Only in operations and bot games they are more powerfull and longer lasting as they are well suited to kill charging bots and can take some damage.

Don't the 280 mm German battleships actually have rail guns ? Such as https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/railway_gun/eisenbahngeschutz-28-cm-schwere-bruno-railway-gun-france/ You didn't mean that kind of rail gun did you ? :-))))) Awesome to see how big some of these battleship guns actually are if they are not mounted in turrets and people stand around them. No need for electromagnetic rail guns.....

You are right....i'm sure my stats say otherwise but i had a few very succesful randoms in DD winning and ending up 1st place ( have screenshot if required ) while i do not use them much. Then again there were no CV, there are very few CV now. Even i don't use CV now. Not out of protest or because i think WG ruiined them with too much/specific gameplay damaging nerfing ( actually i do think that ) but because of the Exeter missions forcing me to play UK DD and CL, the Perth i have and US DD and CA/CL. The missions are far to hard ( or time consuming ) to accomplish to play other stuff now. If other CV players do that too, then it's WG that caused this but not by nerfing the CV but WG not overseeying consequences of their own actions, this time by unhelpful mission requirements causing the target class to play the class that targets the target class too......so there are no targets :-)))

If they would have radar and rockets WG could really cash in on all those players that then really want these CV, cannot wait to get T6 and T8 UK CV's and buy alll the necsesary recources instead of having to wait for them for weeks. Then at the moment all those that did earn them playing for weeks without spending money can unlock these CV, radar is removed :-))))

My point was never up or down damage.....i don't wish for overpowered damage output. I do wish for a positieve credit outcome though....CV is much too low compared to other ships. Only that would have you overperform to compensate. My point is the way WG chose to nerf enjoyability and satisfying gameplay for CV players. It has become unenjoyable. Not because of damned stats i do not care about or domination. Only to not struggle with nerfs that work against you performing a simple attack, and were not there in the first place. And are of a extremely poor quality, they even seem slapped on in panic by someone other then a game designer. Nerfs not being able to shoot at DD after spotting them or coming around for another pass but with it being able to shoot at all successive targets after having attacked the first one. The whole point to the design NOT being able to release all weapons in one pass ( as it was in RTS ) but having to come around for another pass in UNDONE by not being able to fire when you come around for another pass !! The design feature now has become failed. But an important thing to consider it this does not become appareant until Tier 8 ! There is no fire delay at Tier 4. At Tier 6 it is there but softer. At tier 8 it is game play hampering. At tier 10 ? You tell me....i don't have Tier 10 yet... No BB player would like a block preventing him to fire when he's fully aimed and shells are in the barrel. No DD player would have a block to launch when the tubers are aimed and torpedo's are in the tubes..... Be sure to read what i highlighted, think about that deeply, but i you do not/can not and come with $%#^& stats [edited] again, stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

And what of the next mission ? Getting 4 million potential damage....in DD and CL ! Are you not supposed to be not shot at that much by those classes ? Isn't that one of the most important things BB do, be shot at and cash in on huge amounts of potential damage ? Never use smoke again for a while as they will perhaps stop shooting at you delaying the completion of the mission ......At least that mission seems noob friendly :-) Says something if you completed that one in no time :-))))

The only logic to me was use US cruisers once the mistake of misreading only UK ones were permitted. If you get a CV match then and it for some reason tries to attack near you are sure many aircraft will be shot. But that is the catch.......few CV are stupid enough to do that. Other players have skill too ofc :-) In the few matches CV are already there. So you would have to use DD to lure an attack, but if you do not have premium US tier 8 ones that is going no where fast. I did complete it but needed all day. Side catch was a new appriciation for T7 US cruiser capabilities, they impressed me. I hated the T6 ones very much, i am not skilled enough in squishy ships.

It looks like Exeter should have some AA mounted on top of her turrets, but they forgot to model them. But it also could be some kind of range finding equipment there, i have not that much warship knowledge. Is it a missing model, bug, or something else i think it is ?

Why do you need to have super unicum stats or high winrates to have right to speak ? Or to complain ? In fact someone that adresses being hindered by nerfs much could not have super unicum stats or high winrates because he is hindered by the nerfs......