Beastofwar

How can that be ? My average credits result after the costs or servicing and ammo spend are deducted is some 100k-150k per match with T6-T7. With T8 CV it is between 20k and 100k as they are much more expensive to use and usually do not go over 200K income before costs whatever i do. These figures are with using premium account as well. I have used Mushshi in ranked mainly because i saw much higher income. 300k credits after costs was not unusual. But i only have 1 of such ship. I cannot play Coop because it's rewards are half said average values, some 20-50 k after costs. T8 CV even come out negative. Would not progress that way, although i like to play that too. Yet to un-stock my fresh T7 ships i need millions of credits, never have enough. They need ship upgrades too. And then there is the cost of T8 ships when i get there.....billions that will cost getting t8 ships of all nations, un-stocking them and replacing upgrades....how can you ever have so much credits it doesn't matter ?

I really liked the rework when it was released after some adapting to it. But then came nerfs that limited what we had gotten. And more nerfs limiting it even more. And more nerfs that were even worse then before. And now, another extreme nerf. Im sure i can get after some more adapting to these imposed limiting nerfs get to average ship damage. To WG that propapbly means the class is well balanced. But the way they did this has all but completely broken CV gameplay. HOW CAN YOU ENJOY A GAME WHEN FIGHTING AGAINST AIMING YOUR WEAPON ???? HOW CAN YOU ENJOY A GAME WITH YOUR WEAPON REFUSING TO FIRE ???? And if a player with (long) experience in CV gameplay already struggles like this, what the hell must it be like for someone beginning to play this class ???? I truely think you did not do the right thing here. Unless there is someting to it. Is there some plan to this ? Are these temporary nerfs meant to keep CV in check untill well after the full release of the UK CV when use will normilize to low numbers again ?

It is good to have a few set scenario's in mind when determinating a strategy. But without scouting/spotting and see what the enemy is up to you can't make decisions and be in control of the outcome. When playing individually one should assess removing what ship would benefit the team most at any given moment. Teams that have most of such players simply win of teams that just "shoot at ships" or "that kill is mine" Lol at those "Forbidden for BB" signs on some close cluster of islands. I get the message....still i will decide myself to go in there or not. Because Master Sun Tzu said : "attack where it's not expected" sometimes that can be BB or even CV creeping through narrow passes they barely fit through. Yes that is stupid when caught pants down.....but it's not when you cap with the enemy team being too far out to prevent losing, or shoot them in the back with their turrets pointing 180 degrees in the other direction....and so on. Despite that being very DD-ish, we all did that with other class ships right ? :-)))

Then again if the cruisers speed away to lay themselves in ambush for the first waves of aircraft heavy battleships cannot keep up and are left alone. This is not theory, i have learned to fly around those cruisers and hit BB that are outside their allies AA range still in the back of the map. Costly in DPM because of the long range flight time not doing any damage but worth it as otherwise you only lose lots of aircraft with no/low DPM as well. Lack of cooridination is what kills/loses matches. Not individual skills. Sorry for those stat guys.

Then you would simply get to face dozens of wavetop altitude anti-ship missiles, ever more capable and ever faster flying. There would be Phalanx or Goalkeeper systems and other ever more advanced anti-missile systems and as answer to those weapons to counter them such als supersonic munitions falling from the stratosphere making all ships obsolete except for nuclear submarines. ( situation now ) This is not Command&Conquer Generals so ending up throwing nukes at each other is probabaly not where we want to go.

Good to see even here on this forums section the prevalent opinion swayed in favor of the CV rework future..... I must say i enjoy ever more often very pleasant cooperation with DD that is - depending on what the enemy does - often very effective in destroying the enemy DD or chasing it out of the cap. Now that can be objectable to the enemy DD, but i don't think allied DD will complain about close cooperation/support from/with their side CV. The same goes for other classes. Remove the (AA) cruisers and see the CV swooping in supporting bringing down the enemy BB. Coordination with a CV can turn out to be your own version of Blitzkrieg with flying artillery where you need it. Communication however is the key to that.

That would actually not be such a bad idea at all.....it would put and end to much map egde abuse.

That's why i called it shady....i just want them back in the normal tech tree. I miss their specific aircraft models/some variation to look at.

Indeed that is a Battlecruiser, not a battleship. It's smaller main weapons are excellent for killing cruisers, but not so much battleships. So if that is pay-to-win ? If there were only enemy Cruisers in the match it would be a very heavy weapon against them. But i think it's not.....as a target you are just as vulnerable as any BB. And i know from having inflicted many AP bomb citadels on them very vulnerable to dive bombers.

Yes i don't have T10 premiums or tech tree ships, and only 1 Tier IX premium one, soon 2 because of coal. I am also not familiar with Tier X gameplay and obvious choices when at Tier X other then being thrown in Tier X matches in Tier VIII ships, Thank you guys for pointing out you can train captains in them. I have never used them for this purpose so forgot about that. That seems to be THE most distinguising difference yes. But what is your opinion of slapping a doubloon camo on for example a Bayern or a New Mexico ? To me those ships feels powerfull and well suited to do operations of that tier....well able to be on par with any premium (sister ships or comparable ships ) at that tier ?

Just need to give the Tiny Tims some more realistic range ( would miss DD anyway at longer ranges so why not ) and warhead......make it an anti-cruiser missile. Would make nice counter play. Since not all CV have such weapons it's "balanced" :-))

I'm not playing for stats, that must be obvious. The point is : why would you sell crap ??

I just got a Duke of York out of a box that i purchased to have that T6 UK CV faster. Review : "Garbage" https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/145280-premium-ship-review-duke-of-york/ I was intrigued by Huanghe's secondaries. Review : "Garbage" https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/143823-premium-ship-review-huanghe/ And it seems the ( once free ) give aways are always the least good ones.....And there is a long list of "Mehbote" reviews to regarding my Premium fleet too. Only the Mushashi i grinded 1,5 month for when i read they would remove it seems to have been regarded "Gudbote" and so does the KII and the Tirpitz.

Because WG have shady plans with them......to be used as "support CV" and it does go in the direction of ASW in my opinion. I would rather have them back as normal CV, and have an optional/selectable ASW squadron on all CV. Or even proper much smaller unarmoured support CV with rocket fighters transfered to them to fight DD and surfaced Subs. And DC armed aircraft ofc to fight submerged subs. The full size CV should then get their air supriority fighters back.

I'm playing CV again...T6 UK one....pretty bad planes compared to US and IJN. Should be easy to kill masses of them. I see them coming into the game now more too.

The only thing you suggest with those YT clips is Tier X is maybe overpowered, but only in the hands of very skilled players/examples of their best battles. That has nothing to do with the average player, but still it causes nerfs. I have seen much higher scores with tier X BB and other ships, from similar or the same YT'ers......nothing to see there. Have you ever seen them "proving" T6 or T 8 CV are overpowered ? No ? Because they are not. But they are slapped by 4 sucsessive nerfing hotfixes and patches anyway. I do not play Tier X, if i ever will reach it with all tech tree nations ( only way i play, i dont go up 1 nation tree ) this game and myself have to be aroud for a couple of years....

I saw @saltface this morning, rampaging in chat about the noob team mates failing the match...of which i was one :-)))) How do you do that blue thingy name ??

Didn't you notice the CV nerfs work progressively more limiting with climbing tiers ?? I noticed it only when i got the T4 UK CV......i suddenly had no delay on firing rockets and the fighters turn on a dime...but are pretty slow to get anywhere, probably balancing DPM out. I did play T6 a lot in previous week operations. The nerfs can be noticed there but they are still weaker, not really hindering you but just a little. But when you play Tier 8....then the nerfs hit hard. They really work against you in all that you do. I can only guess what it must be at Tier 10. So i am not amazed that first T10 doesnt have enough CV to fill matches so T8 gets thrown in these, and then T8 CV players get fed up with nerfs AND being thrown in +2 matches so only T6 CV are still played where the nerfs are mild and gameplay is still enjoyable. But not when pushed in the place of T8 CV..... If nothing is done CV will disappear althogether exepct for tier IV and V. These can function in +1 matches.

I have the impression that WG does not listen to mere players at all.....but get the information they decide to do things on from server data and financial statistics. The large company i work for acts the same way. They have comminications guys too.....they give the impression what happens is not only top down fed. But the communication up just stops with them. And here we are rolling about making flame wars on each other, thinking we can influence what WG does. In fact we do, but not with words. I do like the game anyway. If i did not, i would be playing something else. WGs job to keep us playing. If they do not listen ( "then to hell with them" Conan the Barabarian :-) then they damn better know what we want themselves.

I disliked all the nerfs, but i do have some faith CV - or any class - will be balanced proper. Besides that i have proven to be able to adjust to every nerf. But they do hurt, i hope it stops for CV. I did like RTS CV too and really understood all tactcs and counter tactics, i even developed some of my own to counter unfair OP Saipans ( their different from regular fighter mechanics ) and the like. But i still like these action-based version better. For me not strange, i like aircraft.....clocked over 2200 h in WT aircraft ( killing hundreds of ships ) before WOWS grabbed my attention.

Wut ?? What mushrooms have you been eati....never mind ;-)) But you are right anyway. Forums would be nicer when we behave like civilized beings. And there is no point in hating your fellow players anyway. I do not dislike other players that disagree with me, or even try to drag me down always using stats to prove their point. I just hope to see them in battle in game on the other side. IRL someone i disliked very much, and vice versa became a best friend......but only after a RL full contact kickboxing match ! Men sometimes only respect other men when they have fought each other.....is the way of things....maybe that works in game too :-))

No they should have included CV.....can easily ( have my CV's AA + fighter defence ) shoot down 40+ in one match if the enemy player decides i am his target. They want CV to be played right ? Now every CV player is doing UK DD/CL missions too, and the ( logical) result is there are very few CV in the game.

I will try to remember your name.....games are more enjoyable with players in need of a lesson on the other side :-)

You do know individual ships have individual winrates don't you ? Not only for idividual players but in collective stats too. That means if you play many ships, in many tiers, playing on your own in ranked, climbing through the tech tree with initial stock ships, you can end up under 50 % not being that bad player at all. I have a 'bad' rating but i can also produce 2000+ scores in random being top scoring or at least top 3, with all classes of ships. I think clueless noobs cannot score 2000+ ever. Yet i am one, according to stats.

I see what OP means as i was surprised too the Exeter does not have smoke, similair ships do, and in testing YT'ers/streamers showed it then still had. But.... I really question the worth of many of these "tests" Many of my favorite premium ships were reviewed as "Garbage" or ""Mehbote" But i often see them well/high performing in randoms and operations by others, and in my service they are often my favorites capable of some serious sh%t with a custom to their specific strenghts build and use. WG balanced these ships - all ships - in a certain role, for a certain purpose. If you perform that role these ships are never bad.