Beastofwar

In Operations ( or Coop i guess ) as a formation of bot ships charges your position and the first gets destroyed or is ablaze with multiple fires, it does obscure vision on those behind it. It does not bother me as it seems "realistic" and aiming with calculated guessing does often work well enough. In Operations it does complicate picking off enemy DD with their already difficult to hit narrow frontal area somewhat as in my opinion they are the most dangerous enemy ship at torpedo distances. If they slip through team mates and NPC ships sink, failing objectives. But one can counter that by repositioning. So it is no big deal.

The salt shaker is hilarious

There seem to be many experts here so maybe they can enlighten me on how to use a 4 km range torpedo boat. Ofcourse the Russian ones. I tried a number of tactics with them but they never excel in any of them, except against bot piloted ships in Operations. Human BB players usually see you coming and blow you away, despite the high speed and really narrow frontal surface area to hit, far out of range of your torpedo's. Cruisers kill you when you try burn down targets with your poppy guns from smoke. And close quarters fights against other DD these DD seem to not hold any real edge, nor do i like that edgy playstyle as you could be sinking 2 min from match start. So what to do with these tubs ? I am unsuccesful with them except in Operations mainly as gunboats. If you cannot utter more then L2P or gid gut please refrain from reacting. I wish to receive useful advice.

Tier 6 and 7 because of Operations. I wish they would have Tier 8 ones too.

- If you do not have an ego, you cannot be insulted. - If people have no idea who you are (IRL) , you cannot be insulted If you are still insulted after realizing above you probably suffer your own ego. People with a big ego feel slighted over nothing all the time. That is why Bhuddist among others try to lose the ego. Makes life much easier and bearable. I wish i knew how they did it

That is something i could try execute right. Thnx. All others too. I was despairing with this DD.

After the first 3 kills in the match where i was top tier as a T8 CV - a rarity - the enemy BB and Cruisers began to fear my aircraft.. 4th kill was their CV but that was finishing what someone else had nearly acomplished. Too bad in that brief timespan before i could kill their T8 CV it must have been even more overpowered with that player and seems to have wiped away all of my team ( in damage, seen it's score while it was dead 1/3 of the duration of the match ! ) I think it was an enemy that gave me +1. That is really polite seen the brutality of power of a T8 CV against -2 tier ships. Except if it was the other T8 one ofcourse

I have decided to give this a rest, as you cannot win with your obvious flawed reasons and as fanatics you will never see the error of your ways. Happy ranting, you will not ruin my day anyday......i knew so many fanatics at other places, i am already a grizzeld veteran in dealing with them as they are all the same, only the name of the game or subject is different.

Well thank you for the hint, i didnt even know AP was a viable munition with such small guns. But i guess with climbing tiers everything starts to get some armour where in lower tiers they had none.

That he did very poor for 35 battles maybe ? Well that cost him his value to speak in your own twisted way of treating those with red stats. Red id red so his words are suddenly meaningless. Or are you going to sneak your way out of it by on-the-fly made up exceptions ? I have purple stats too you know.....but only the reds seem to count. So what is different eh ? No the answer does not interest me as the whole behaviour is rediculous to begin with. Someone said stop this...wel stop refering to stats and i will. Ofcourse you can have me banned for some reason, but with such elitist behaviour there will always be players confronting you with your crappy behaviour referring to stats as this is unwarranted HERASSMENT. "i have never seen that done" well i have as i was subject to this too many times.....that is what aggravated me in the first place. But i will not tolerate it.

The stats in your signature are red....by your own standards, how do you dare to even speak ? Your words clearly have no value as that stat there is RED. See how flawed that ridiculous line of thinking is ?

Nice boast that. The rest of what you say could be another interpertation of "Intelligence is invisible to those that do not possess it." But that idiot remark does not account for it truely being invisible because it is not there !

Thank you for your advice, but i wonder how 130 mm/1800 He dmg 4,5 sec reload it so much bteer then 127 mm/1700 HE dmg 3 sec reload ? And then there will be the French DD with 139.? mm ( Aigle has 139 mm ) and the Germans with even 150 mm which seem to be balanced by reload times mainly. Does this will still hold true ?

You usually do better staying alive and be agressive only when the enemy makes mistakes you can exploit. Being agressive usually ends in being focussed on by several (previously hidden) enemies. But it is a thing to consider going up against a similair ship 1:1 if there is no one around to interfere. And it is usually very enjoyable to do that. The most fun thing i did was chase CV ships with my own CV ship, using secondary batteries. I was actually winning that, but slowly enough for my enemy to make a counter play, it ended like so :

It is no superweapon. But enhanced secondaries kill all classes of simple bot piloted ships, including a T9 Izumo with a T6 Ranger, by fire these secondaries inflicted on it. That does not mean human players will be killed as easy as bots, but that does demonstrate the ships themselves can be sunk by them. In PvP i will ofcourse not change my build, i play Operations mainly. And using this build in PvP i noticed it kills players just the same, they only need come into range. As already explained not many DD make it to pop up next to your CV, most of them get wacked like total in the slaughtering pit capping zone. But when it comes into action, it does kill. But you don't have to accept this info. Please live in your own reality. I enjoy what you see in the pictures, it was real and there will be more to come.

I did say divisioned with others (clanmembers ) using commuinications to sealclub random players that do not have this did i ? I never did that in this game, if i would have my WR would have been stellar too....so what is your point exactly ?

Many times it was explained how WR not nessesarely says something about a players abilities, but the contrary is advertised as gospels. But stat fanatics cannot be persuaded that this is the case. I guess that is the trade mark of a fanatic. The mere fact that WR will go up playing in divisions using communications to sealclub other players that have not proves skill has not nessesarly any part in a high WR. Playing like that is not wrong, part of the game but it makes WR higher then the individual player on playing skill would have accomplished, so is unsuitable for measurement of skill. The fanatics then redicule or downplay this fact, and if they admit their stats are high from this kind of playing, advocate you SHOULD do that too if you would wish for the same high stats. But there are far more reasons why thier WR is artificially higher then other players. And no, not all high stats are result of trying to force odds in your favor. Some players are really good. But would these feel the need to kick down on other players ? I very much doubt it. It is the trademark of insecure fraudulous players fearing to be unmasked as such. Well players with actual functioning brains will recognise the lack of freedom to enjoy the game if you ever succumb to this stat slavery. This does not bother me, i gladly grant fanatics the suffering they wish. What bothers me is they make other suffer to with hate and attempted stat shaming. I would request forum moderators to punish those that drag a players stats out or refer to "bad" stats for herassment and attempting to spoil the game for these players. Or make the fourms very unenjoyable and hostile. Because that is what it is : completely unsessesary and pure uncalled for herassment. I guess that will not happen, never seen that happen in a lot of game forums. It is just the toxidity you have to endure, or can prevent by coming to a forums.

If what you say made at all sense, stats would never have been brought up to drag others opinion down....but this happens all the time ! Stat "shaming" i a prolete way of trying to have other players have no voice. It is abuse of such data, but sites that follow it probably only exists for the very reason to do this. One should obviously stop caring for no lifers that prey on anothers good mood that want to have a good time playing the game. To me, those have no voice.

A hard fail in way of thinking is also considering CV are not part of the game, not a part in the original design that has a counter to all other weapons or needs support classes to help other classes win. If you take tier 1-3 play as "the game " should be then one would be right claiming CV do not belong in the game. But to WG those tiers are considered kindergarten, learning the game in a protected not too complex enviroment. One cannot take players seriously that want this situation for the whole game. In fact tier 10 should be the pinacle of complexity, with much more elements added. Sea mines, submarines, land based patrol heavy bombers name it. Everything that had a part in real sea battles and warship sinking actions. But it is not. Were it not for CV it would be a continuation of tier 1-3 (kindergarten) play. Besides that early in WWII aircraft had a major impact on sea battles already, few capital ships were sunk with aircraft not involved. Just like in real life, the player will need to deal with aircraft interfering with the intended purpose of Destroyers, Light cruisers, heavy cruisers Battleships and Battlecruisers. The game often offers A,B or C hulls that make this transition into the aircraft era obvious by adding much more AA often at the costs of torpedo tubes, main or secondary guns. So like in RL you will have to deal with ever increasing power of aircraft. WOWS is not really a simulator, but it is based on RL war at sea. Where aircraft had a lot more power then WOWS can ever let them have in game. Be thankful for it.

You never had +400K credit/+6K XP losses ? Those are much better then +150K/+1,5k XP wins.......when the credits and XP are right, i will not be bothered by a loss at all. As i said the only thing that bothers me is not getting the +50 % ( or more) win bonus. But with high performance losing that may not even make the difference in credits/XP that you think it would. The thing that really bothers me is not being able to collect the daily +200 % on all my ships during such events when for some reason just then i experience a losing streak.

Gneisenau's are the prefered target for my AP divebombers. As almost every attack delivers one or more citadels. No other class of ship guarantees that like Gneisenau or Scharnhorst. I would only refrain from killing them if their AA always shot down my squadron at approach. Which they never did in my experience, but i ofcourse dodge what i can dodge. You have not by any means removed AA modules or AA captain talents ? Many did....making it much easier to get to you as well.

There is a very sizable middleground. You are only a if you grief other players with dragging out stats to point out they can not have an opinion, or their opinion has no worth. That kind of abuse of stats makes for toxic elitists, or stat fanatics. Not simply a player that does not bother others with it, and like it to be as high as possible. Nothing wrong with that.

The ones that keep playing will be able to negate all the nerfs and still be powerful. But one can see the US CV's significantly outperform the other ones. That could mean more nerfs are on the way to cull the US CV's power, or the other CV's get buffs. At this moment the DD's have noticed the effect HE bombs have on them and are ever more complaining, so it is logical it will be a nerf. For those that relied on these HE bombs or US CV only to kill DD there will be another learning curve how to still be effective after a nerf. For those that play all CV to effect there is not much difference.

Whatever works is my motto.....CV have large hitpools, have torpedo bulkheads, some have armour belts and protected armoured citadels......they can eat some torpedo's on the bow or stern. CV are just ships with guns and in some cases 2-3 x as much guns as the little boat that tries to kill you. Why should i fear it ? Why should i flee ? I only fear a full broadside torpedo salvo as that will sink me.....so that won't happen. You didn't see a sitting CV in that picture. It evaded the first launch and enhanced secondaries mean there won't be another lauch. CV can move and evade torpedo's too, you know. And that DD in the pictures was not low health and had launched a first salvo which i survived due to above mentioned reasons. So full health DD can be killed by combined CV weapons when it pops up near. With this build there is no pants down, unless you do not move and evade torpedo's. It is very usefull all the time in Operations as i said but to you that is no valid game mode it seems. And it sometimes kills in PvP too, as most DD die like in the caps so not many reach me, not being seen and shot by allied players. The weapons are therefore powerful, but simply do not see much action. But when they do, they kill. Now you may say all you want, deny all you want, blame all you want.....secondary guns kill. Even when your precious stats do not seem capable of monitoring Operations perfomance where they kill all the time. Your stats do not say secondary batteries do not kill, they say not many DD get in a position they will be destroyed by them as they die en masse like in caps aka slaughtering zones.

Impressive...all you said is wrong.