Beastofwar

He probably meant he/she used to play tier 1-3 and is shocked it got more complex then that.....like all CV whines.

In a CV that happens often to me, in other classes not. In a CV i can sometimes even snatch the victory out of the hands on the enemy. CV late game have that power when the enemy failed to get near you so they cannot sink you in time, while you can sink them. I even cap with the CV when i feel i can get away with it. Even when i know there is a damaged DD hiding there, or there is an enemy CV around somewhere. A CV can go toe to toe with a damaged DD or another CV and win. CV large hitpool, torpedo bulkheads, armour belt/citadel, aircraft and a whackload of secondary guns can deal with that. It is a mistake to only use aircraft when you have more options.

In a few months/other class tech tree events 9 out of 10 games will be without CV again. Like it always was. Then all what OP says will be not nessesary. Specific AA cruisers will float abandoned in port. You can stealth ninja all you want.

Already near instant attack that cannot be evaded when deployed when the aircraft are in the centre where the consuable will be deployed. No escape either as these fighters will chase you for at least 3-5 km outside their circle and overtake you despite using boost acceleration. There are escapes but it makes you abandon attack completly. Late game you probably are weak to air attack due to destroyed AA modules and being solo scattered somewhere in the map with no teammates close enough to cover you.....cannot shoot with what you do not have ( anymore ) You think destroying all aircraft always in any situation would offer good and balanced gameplay ? WG is not going to remove CV or make them unplayable. CV should do the exact same damage other ship can in a match. And that they seem to do after many hotfixs and patches. Some have 60 AA guns....how do you reduces that ? And you know a player can spec into actually strenhtening them a lot too.......i think not many have, but they can..... Useless if they cannot survive getting to the target. Other then that the rare strikes the do hit would be cause to cries for nerfing again.

Well sometimes it pays off....when an enemy lemmingtain goes the other way and completely leaves a far cap uncontested. Still doesn't make that a succesfull pre match strategy to go by.....and if aircraft don't damage or kill a lone unsupported DD, then other DD - supposedly with some Cruiser backup - probably will only seconds after the aircraft would have.

I only got away with my life when she discovered i bought 46 euro virtual ships because she bough a real canoe for herself. And like you say yes...blaming me for "wasted" money and her buy is not because it is "real" Well i used my ships more hours then she did hers.....so i disagree. ( and get my exercise in gym anyways, don't need to peddle ) But on the other hand she can sell hers and recuperate some money. I cannot.

There is no such thing as going to a cap unsupported on your own anymore. Unlikely that will ever return again. As for flanking the enemy fleet in stealth or using obvious gaps in the lines to sneak though in stealth....yes that still exists. But you need a CV to do it ( it's spotting will make obvious where gaps in the line are or are developing ) So now and in future against CV you need to cooperate with CV, or at least use what they offer you passively. They still spot faster and better then DD do. And quite frankly when the new is off the UK CV's and Premium CV's you will get 4/5 matches without CV again. But it is best to be succesfull with them too don't you think ?

In RTS you first needed to shut the other CV down and could not really strike ships without risking enemy fighters strafing right through all your bombers even when escorted. If that happend twice with a formation of all your squadrons ( safety in numbers worked against non strafing fighter attack ) you could be deplaned for the whole match. That strafing mechanic was really a stupidly overpowered 1 time strike that if executed right left the other partially handicapped. Many players did not even knew what happend as low tier CV did not have this strafing mechanic but just learned to attack enemy aircraft by clicking on them. And probably quit playing CV in frustration short after such bad experiences because their CV could be deplaned for the whole match in a couple of succesfull strafes. If not worse enough, premium CV had different totally unfair strafing and disengaging rules which made them able to nearly always shut the regular tech tree enemy down and win. Other then that US fighters were more resistant to being strafed when both players strafed each other simultaneously and would blast IJN fighters right out of the sky not matter what. Somewhat historically right maybe, but no balance there. Unless they met with people...well..like me, that refused to engage them keeping all aircraft above own side ships. That shut them down too, unbable to wage unfair strafing combat and unable to strike at ships. Many could not sit idly by and attacked anyway being shot down by allied ship AA and my fighters that i made to evade the strafe and them jump in the back. They could unfairly detach from the furball ( while tech tree could not ) but were killed by allied ship AA anyay. After all that you had some time window to strike ships. A lot of effort, tensions and risks to be able to attack any ship.......and the less experienced never got to that stage anyway. Now you can fly around free only being restricted by strong/concentrated AA early game. So influential ? I guess premium CV once were because they were rediculously overpowered, not only by unfair extra (fighter) abilities but also deploying against players that often not even had a clue how strafing or manual drop worked.... Actually i think WG did the right thing here.....rediculously overpowered ships that follow different rules from their own class ( confusing newly players for even more OP effect ) do not belong in an otherwise balanced game. I think selling rediculousy and unfairly overpowering ships was an early design sin WG now seeks to remove. They wanted to do that to all OP premiums remember....

That pretty much sums it up for me too, except she gives me pocket money and confiscates the rest...... And if you think i am then free to spend my pocket money on nice virtual ships....

Hunting the CV early on can work as a strategy as i have seen that happening yesterday by coincidence, being part of a very agressive push through a cap killing all enemies there within a few minutes. But you cannot do that alone, and depends always on what the enemy is doing. Without team coordination/communication it will always be coincidence if some pre-match strategy actually works.

Well for the carpet bombing mechanic he is more or less right......does nothing except for a RNG chance on deleting heavy damaged DD's

Yet i witnessed a single DD going up against 2 CV's - whilst fulminating in chat about WG stupidity allowing this - actually getting close to them and spotting them for all to shoot at. These 2 CV were blown away by Cruiser and Battleship fire before they could high tail out and that was early-mid match as they were surprised by a early cap breakthrough where they were positioned close by at match start. I killed 2 cruisers - being heavily supported by the team - with my Graf Spee torpedo's that were focussing on me and not him actually breaking through that cap, that is probably why he made it there not being intercepted. But he still made it under relentless aircraft attacks of 2 CV and these 2 CV blew up because of it. Showing they are not that powerful at all. Not early game. Funny that guy kept typing complaints and insults to the enemy CV while he did all this.....but you have to give it it him, he did in fact kill the 2 CV by himself by spotting them all the time untill blown away by Cruiser and Battleship fire. Winning the match could be attributed to him too, despite one of the CV got an after death revenge kill on him.

Then you better use the last free skill respec day to spec back into full AA build most have already abandoned. I expect after release of the premium CV there will still be quite a few CV in use for a while, before it goes back to normal again. Nerfing is of no use since the problem will go away by itself in the fullness of time as Mr_Conway likes to say.

Nah Russia Today. And despite that being a sort of troll news service, they often do explain better what is going on in the world what we do not get explained in our ( American influenced/censored ) news.

There was this DD in a match i just played, fulminating in chat about 4 CV's in a match. He kept on ranting and swearing about WG doing this. Meanwhile - still ranting and swearing in chat - he got close to the 2 enemy CV's and lit them up for all to shoot at. So that is what the team did, we blew these CV to kingdom come before even mid-match. Ofcourse he was sunk by a revenge after death strike by one of the CV, enraging him even further. Very circus like mach with a DD clown, but the guy did do everything "right" and we won the match because of his spotting. But after death he did not recognise this himself and kept on fulminating. Very funny.....and thnx guy....you gave me my 10th win/ minimum base XP for the oil.

I was in such matches today all the time too...in CV's. Must be weekend MM. It is called a duck rape after a female duck gets jumped by several males even to the point she i drowning. I do not like this too, but being there anyway i will try to damage or sink as many enemies as i can. Do not let yourself talked into it was your fault per definition. Armoured higher tier Cruisers are very attractive to AP bombers, even though hellfire AA comes out of them. I have given my AP bombers extra HP ( bomber modification 2 ) on top of the captain skill extra HP to stay alive long enough for nice hard hitting citadels. You see when you citadel a BB nothing much happens, so those are not attractive AP bomb targets....better torpedo targets since they won't evade them so easy like Cruisers do....A citadel AP bomb hit to a battleship looks almost like an overpenetrating hit so little damage does this do. But to cruisers....frightning HP bar reductions. High satisfaction to be had there.... Here too the saying goes "Once you get past the lance point, it is like killing rabbits" the lance point here not being torpedo's but AA fire. You can blame yourself though if you have specced out of strong AA captain skills and ship modules. Maybe those skills can be better used somewhere else, but not if a CV or multiple CV choose to have you as breakfast.

The killing salvo of the Nueve de Juilio shooting at me was about to hit when the timer ran out......must have been a 0,0000000001 second difference between win or lose. Those are the funny matches that make the enemy players whack their keyboards in rage, or take a bite out of it.

Was that the match players were complaining about "sky cancer" and a CV "stealing their kills" ? I suppose that was you then, doing CV stuff right

Those are not wise words at all. They are words supporting a bunch of rigid elitists that condem all but their playstyle that is only aimed at farming high stats. This topic started with someone doing something else then the mandatory thing....and see what happens. I salute those that dare to go against such rigid elitists, or at least ignore them completely, and think of working tactics - even very situational ones - that do things those guys do not account for. The best example of what is happening here is still the Shaka Zulu miniseries, in which Shaka Zulu is but a mere footsoldier and has to do exactly what the hiearchy wants him to do. He goes against the "generals" with his own ideas and is rediculed and humiliated. Just like those here are when they have diffrent ideas from the elisits core. He is forced to follow rediculous mandatory rules that will win the match for certain. But he then chooses to do very different things, of his own making and shakes up how war In Afrika is fought for decades to come. So with that as example, never listen to rigid elitists. All they know you should question at least, you must use your own brains, indentify the weaknesses of the enemy and develop your own tactics. You don't have to win matches per definition, that is for pathetic stats peacocks. ....you should make play you really enjoy. Better have a very satisfying kill now and then and/or a enjoyable credit/XP income , then 10 successive boring wins doing nothing of your own making. Are you lion or a sheep ?

It has much worse ( short range ) secondaries ( QE ) Ofcourse that would be the last thing some forum members would look at, but to me that makes a noticable difference, especially in Operations damage efficientcy. I very much regret that as the QE's secondaries are much more modern in their rotating turrets then the WWI casemates of the Warspite. No reasons for that but to fiddle with ships stats to make them different from each other. In fact the most rediculous differences are to be found in secondaries that can have diffrent stats even when they are the exact same weapon on another ship. ( not Warspite and QE though )

A CV grows in power relative to other ships with every stage of the match passing. Other ships get their AA modules busted, have very low HP left and get scattered all over the map with no benefit of combined AA power on aircraft. They become VERY vulnerable. When this happens a CV will reign supreme, reaching out to every remaining enemy ship on the map fast and start killing them in quick succession which can reverse a winning team with more ships then the enemy team into a defeated one. I have seen this many times. Therefore leaving an enemy CV alive untill that point is a serious mistake that hurts a team deeply. Yet some here seem to advocate this.....think on your deep mistakes. Now storming through the lines in not the way, that will get you killed. But somehow getting past the enemy lines undetected - most likely via a gap large enough such as a uncontested cap, or a cap where the enemy DD got killed and was alone there - you can get into reach of that CV. Maybe you can kill it yourself, maybe you can light it up so battleships can help sink it. Other then that the team losing a CV is penalized for -65 points and the enemy instant gets +45 point wich is very important if both sides get near 1000 points, and the enemy was ahead in points. You can litterally win by sinking a CV even when you were losing so comments that you are not helping your team is utter buttspeak, based on nothing nonsense. A CV is a capital ship and an important and dangerous chess piece on the chess board. Removing it is always a good move. Just as removing all DD from the match is, although they are mere +30/-45 point pawns. In fact surviving DD in an empty space map with thin scattered enemy ships with very low HP are similairly extremely dangerous. Yet some advocate that CV sinking them by all means is not helping your team. Never listen to such guys. They clearly have no idea what they speak of.

Does a SUBMARINE come close enough to that ?

It is true that in many cases no one can break through the enemy line alone with a cruiser. You willl just be focussed down by multiple enemies. But when there are large gaps in the line you may be able to break through. DD can do that much more effecive, but large enough gaps allow for stealthy specced Cruisers too im's sure. And when you have broken through, why not steam right up to the CV and kill it ? Situational, but given oppertunity it will work. An AA specced Cruiser won't be as easy to kill as a DD is for a CV. It will shoot down CV aircraft and can win against secondary battery defences that would kill DD that dare come close enough to launch torpedos with any accuracy. In a CV i "fear" cruisers most as i am least effective to them. DD are easily killed by rockets and secondaries. BB are easily torpoed to death when operating alone.....but many Cruisers are too evasive to be torped that easy. If they speed toward me in a CV they pose a big problem if no AP divebombers are present. And that El2aZeR guy is wrong as usual.....CV won't last long under cruiser fire. Not even under DD fire.....flight deck armour would supposedly only stop long range ( 16-21 km or so ) plunging fire, not medium-close range fire against the sides of the huge ship between armour belt and flight deck. In reality in a CV you better be saved by your team if a cruiser wants to kill you, unless you have AP divebombers. But the main thing is, you need to get through the enemy lines unseen. That is very situational. But not impossible in all cases.

Because you can earn them already with the mission non-premium boxes in the rare occasion there are not dropping worthless flags out of it ? Or the players that already had them previously anyway ? It is not that the rewards are perticular stellar for those missions you need those ships for... But you may be right anyway.

That would require rough sea....never say never though as they are switching to 64 bit and a more recent DirectX version.... But if players are alrready upset by reworked CV interrupting their game, what will missing all the time due to rough weather swinging the guns cause ?