Beastofwar

I daresay annoying is not the correct word. Such a clueless player will fly his squadrons into dense AA and just sees exploding sqadrons, and negative credit result screens bankrupting him quick. The "annoyed" players will squatter those sqadrons without having to do anything, not even set AA zones. No skill is involved save for choosing usefull captain skills and ship modules. And this "annoyed" players will be rewarded with credits and XP for killing many aircraft.

You do love to run don't you ? That is the key difference i think....i do not run. I keep attacking untill all my aircraft have detached or are destroyed.

This is why artillery is in WOT.....but in WOWS we have aircraft for the same reasons. "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl." Frederick II of Prussia God fights on the side with the best artillery. Napoleon Bonaparte. I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know the artillery did. Gen George S. Patton Artillery is the god of war. Joseph Stalin Contrary to popular belief, we at artillery command do not believe we're God. We merely borrowed His "Smite" button. Anonymous Without support the infantry won't move. The motto of the Israeli Artillery Corps.

- CV are so big you can see the silly things from space, what are you talking about ???? 10 % wont matter at all. Being defenceless will matter much more. - Aircraft are fast enough ( accel boost ) to outmaneouvre ships coming in at any angle you force upon them. - I want DD to hunt me......you know how that will end for the DD with points in AA/secondaries instead of 10 % "concealment" that will take just a few secs to overcome. - You can not sneak up to ships undetected, it is only 10 % less detectibility. Not 50 %. If it were to stop long range FLAK from firing, it would have been nerfed ages ago. And how many matches did i lose because i did not go by a "brainless" build ? You will be able to prove nothing with your precious stats either, mine concerning CV are going up all the time. Recent, 7 days and 21 days are all Unicum or better.... You are wrong.

You really talk nonsense... Yesterday i had a littlle spin in WOT again, using artillery with all the mechanics that make it challenging to play. But it still does whack enemy tanks that sit still for too long while detected. And i was killed by the exact anti-artillery weapon that is supposed to do that, and always was.....very fast light (scout) tanks. But counter artillery could have done the job too. Players just do no like being blown up out of nowhere......that is the only reason they want it removed, but it never will be. It is the same for WT and tank players that hate aircraft. Those devs even rubbed salt in the wound by adding attack helicpters.....with guided missiles already there or coming. Should learn to play your class and deal with your natural enemies...not want them removed from the game by devs...You should remove them from the match, yourself.

I do not see any use of 10 % less detectability or faster closing reticlues : you cannot be intercepted ( indirectly with fighter consumbales maybe but escapable ) and when you aim your attack well before beginning it and use slight mouse movements to correct in the beginning of the attack run there is no need for faster closing reticules. AA is always worth spending points on for a CV , because many players still try to sink you with aircraft. Since these points synergize with secondaries you get the power to sink DD with your ship too. And as it happens to be these premiums have better AA and secondaries worth even more upgrading. It will put a smile from ear to ear on your face with every butchered enemy squadron or DD failing and sinking due to your CV's guns. It will allow you to cap late game even when these caps are defended by "missing" enemy DD or when capping allies get whacked by the enemy CV's.... You can be the only one still able to cap when enemy CV's have survived at all as you will be virtually immune to air attack, a potential capping no fly zone.. Yet some critisize this as "waste" of points or even bleet out this weakens the team. But i have turned losing matches into winning ones this way. They really have no clue of true potential of CV as weapons.

But quite serious....see the many "eyes" in the feathers of the peacock, on top of making him appear to be much larger then he really is ? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT STATS REFERRING PLAYERS DO ! And just like the laugable fragile bird this is, if you are not scared by the many eyes and it's spread feathers increasing it's size optically, with no real power behind it, it is all but an illusion to be dispelled quite brutally by just sinking them in game. Stats are an illusion. Not playing at Tier X/in comms coordinated divisions sealclubbing players without that stats are always sub-optimal. That does not make "unicums" better or you bad. Every player just explodes and/or sinks just the same like any other. And as for that Peacock...i would turn it into a cloud of blood and feathers if i were any animal to be scared...

Stuka's would have been more durable then these magnesium flash fighter/bombers.....

Let me try....Since Steam may have brought a lot of newcomers, they haven't arrived at Tier X yet and are climbing-the-hill-wolves yet learning how to ?

One could argue that wide wings that allow lift for an aircraft to climb to very high altitudes in very thin air could also provide considerable lift in dense air at sea level with very heavy loads such as aerial torpedo's. Since it were fighter/bombers they could have been able to actually carry the load structurally. But the extreme speed at sea level is an unrealistic gimmic of WG's making. Certainly compared the the US fighter/bombers or late war one engined naval bombers wich were quite some powerhouses but do not have this speed in game.

I do hope you differentiate in stats ( those rise with arriving at Tier X anyway as there is nothing more powerful clubbing you, and comms coordinated divisioning may help up that too ) and actual behaviour in game. There was a time when i did not know what to do in Cruisers and i still find playing DD hard ( and since i haven't reached Tier X yet nor play in comms coordinated divisions that shows in stats ) so that may have qualified as poor play. That reached it's peak with the Pensecola being an unplayble ship since it lacks any armour but i thought it would be very strong with weee 203 mm guns..... Still disllke Cruisers with no heal/smoke for their lack of durability ( in Operations ) but i denfinitely have come to understand what you are supposed to do in them. If anything you should blame WG for not making players follow madatory tutorials showing them what to do with every class of ship, and preferably differences in classes too. It isn't that hard, they earn enough money and it would improve the game for everyone.

Peacock ?

Well DD have become very scarce from TVIII up, and they have not even suffered the Premium CV's yet. My guess is that will change only when WG releases French DD + events. Or releases up gunned AA Cruisers or even AA Destroyers as premiums to cash in even more. Or comes up with some other AA mechanic. Maybe even CV air supremacy fighters ?

There was however an Italian CV....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_aircraft_carrier_Aquila Would love to see Italian Aircraft in game....

Well this is with a 200 % boost but still........1st game with it and the looks of it ( T7 aircraft or stock TVIII CV ones ) did not impress me to be anything special......but the bombers have (proper) dangerous to larger armoured ship AP bombs and the rocket fighters do (proper) heavy rocket damage to....all in fact. They really should give tech tree US bombers that setup too.....no more HE bombing hapless DD. Shoot em with rockets proper.

Yeah marketing must be having a field day..... - Premium CV income - AA Cruiser income ( to compenste for a tidal wave of OP premium CV ) - Massive respeccing into AA builds again income ( timing of free respec probably no coincidence to allow speccing out of AA builds to pay for it a week later when a tidal wave of CV makes that nessesary again ) Who said CV rework didn't pay off ?

6 km is good enough, my tech tree ones proved succesful many times* with that range. Heavy damage when they hit is a good thing. Though 15 secs probably means having to fight closer so they hit more reliably. I'm always keeping the possibility to ram open anyway so for me this is no big thing. * The amount of unsupported DD attacking a CV is not often occuring. Therefor the amount of kills that ways isn't either. That does not make it a bad decision to put some points into, because if a DD comes your way unsupported, or you cap late game against the timer and a DD is guarding it in smoke, and possibly with enemy CV fighter consumables covering you would be powerless with aircraft alone. And you don't have to be, when you use the features that are available, in plain sight i might add.....

He might have a point there.....highest scoring of all the 4 i tried, without trying. And it looks so ordinary. It spells doom for DD aswell, that rocket fighter squadron has a massive amount of fighters.....i was amazed at the amount of rockets/damage a single squadron was able to inflict. I had rockets left for the second DD.....

nope...because i am very agressive in late game capping and whacking barely floating enemies. If my aircraft fail to kill them before my CV gets there ( not often but sometimes one gets away with 1 hp left or so ) it's usually the secondaries that kill. And if you think 0 penetration damage will protect you, it is usually by fire damage i spec my CV into anyway, if they have AP bombs or not. I am not affraid of takeing some shell or torpedo damage.....with 50 K+ HP, armoured belts/decks and torpedo bulged dampening damage, what could possebly go wrong eh ? I do this all the time.....it works where aircraft kill not quick enough.,....and attacking DD without support....every one has lost that to my secondaries ( and rocket fighters simultaneous ) up to this day, with lesser armed and armoured tech tree CV..... I am VERY satisfied by these ships.

7.5 km with only the module...8 x1700= 13.6 k in 3.4 secs + 12x1200 =14.4 k in 7,5 secs all HE plus multiple fire damage going every few seconds ..... yes you are right that will be entertaining killing DD. It may even slaughter light cruisers if they are not full health. But i have high expectations of the Kaga too, although it may not have that extreme range. However my tactic to kill other CV with secondaries needs revision.....clearly my tech tree CV's would be whacked trying to do that with these two specific premium CV's.....never thought of that. But then again that oppertunity comes very rarely since other ships usually beat me to killing CV with secondaries. DD however.....will suffer....

Nope....Tier X aircraft dealing with Tier X AA is a gentle breeze when you are used to playing with Tier VIII CV dealing with Tier X AA. And since these ships may see T VIII matches it will be butchery, since T VIII AA is not suited to deal with T X aircraft. That is the cause of many complaints post about too weak AA and too strong AA. TVIII CV should not face T X AA , and T VIII should should not have to deal with massively OP tier X aircraft...... If you mean the other CV have much more aircraft in their squadrons overpowering them in that way.......no, because these get blasted from tier X AA too, just takes a few secs longer. In my opinion it is in fact a weak ship if thrown into Tier IX-X matches as usual. The aircraft are VERY fragile. Exteme speed is nice and all, but not if it results in exploding squadrons when they get near the target. The price ? I think it has to do with the attractiveness of German aircraft not in the game naywhere else or using the single German Carrier that never was completed. I do think that extreme speed is unnessesary and the extreme vulnerebility that seems to "balance" that out too.

Turns out the Graf Zeppelin is the most expensive CV, but the weakest one to play. It's aircraft have so few HP they explode when you look at them. Thrown in a T IX-X match these have little chance i found out. My guess is that very low HP is supposed to even out rediculous high speed of the bombers. So it is by default a late game CV this, because only then the speed will help it cover distances between scattered over the map enemies and the rediculous low HP will not kill all the aircraft outright. I think the price is based on that the aircraft are not used by anything in game yet and therefore are more attractive to play with. It is quite weak though but may seem OP late game exploding heavy damaged surving enemieswith busted AA modules at an alraming high rate. I have read complaints about the Saipan being weak but this one is a beast. It has Tier X aircraft and for me it is an eyeopener where all the complaints about CV came from in the first place : Tier X CV ! All the nerfs of lower CV should never have taken place, as it is clearly these T X aircraft that are EXTREMELY overpowered. Masses of aircraft in their squadrons, dropping 2 torpdedo's per plane, 3 Tiny Tims per fighter and very high HP per aircraft. If you want an OP CV, this is the one. ( except a proper T X CV is probably stronger ) If you ever see a T8 match in this you can probably solo the entire match. Tried the Kaga too, nothing unusual about this one except for the enormous amount of planes on deck - delaying the moment (forever) you deplane yourself i guess - and perticularly heavy secondary guns that i ofcourse will make good use off killing DD in late game caps or those dumb enough to attack the ship. Enterprise seems to have nothing special going for it. Seems to be an uptiered T7 with very normal T7 aircraft, only special because otherwise you will not use T7 aircraft. ( unless you enjoy playing stock at T8 ) Methinks when this package - or single ships of it be it bought or from drops - get in random rotation in higher numbers we will see weeks of endless CV complaints again. Especially that Saipan is able to butcher anything almost regardless of how much AA they put up.

I have no proof of any of what i say, but over time i have gotten the impression AP bombs work very good on armoured cruisers, causing massive damage to them when they citadel. This opposed to the weak citadels on Battleships. Battlecruisers ( that are called Battleships in this game ) have a tendacy to be very vulnerable to AP bombs as well. Gneisenau's and Schanrhorsts are VERY vulnerable to AP bombs, getting multipe citadels on them per attack is rather common. Another weird thing is i noticed AP bombs are more devastating ( cause citadels often ) to Battleships dropped from high altitude, that is before diving. I have no idea why that is or if it is just a consistent coincidence.

That is the reason why i learned not to run from DD with a CV but to fight them with the ship ( secondaries ) and the aircraft simultaneous. I have never lost that up to now, unless they were not alone.

And support CV....