Beastofwar

I stopped doing that as i discovered the core ones doing this grouping are very bossy and elitist, probably very logical as the are "farming" Narai for XP and credits for themselves. That means if you try to shoot or torpedo anything like merchants or the CV raking a lot of credits/xp ( damage is barely or not at all absorbed ) they are angry at you because you " are out of position" Yet some manage to be sunk by the CV guarding DD and CL torpedo's, ot the DD guarding the merchants as if that is a surprise to them after so many times at it, and fail to get a 5 star anyways. I am not used to being hold back by such style or playing so that is a no go for me too.

Well considering this specific CV underperforms for me i will respec its captain and modules to concealment then....see if it improves anything. Late evading enemies when torpedoed could make a noticable difference. If that is the case, thank you very much. It will be refreshing getting usefull advices from the forum, instead of "L2P" or worse.

Most of my AP bombs seem to miss, bounce or shatter coming in from the side, as targets evade, but not coming in bow or stern. Do you have similair experience ? Do you take effort in lining up bow or stern overflying targets in lenght ? Have you got concealement skills to make that easier ?

Impressive...and it still fails, makes you wonder if you deal with failbots instead of humans....

I use it as a feature all the time....setting a course with a degree more then 90 degrees or 270 degrees, seen from the bow will result in reversing. That means you can easily avoid reversing unintended by plotting ( short legged ) courses from 0 degrees, or up to the mentioned angles not exceeding them. In other words always plot foreward courses and use waypoints if you want to turn around. Huge CV's turn like mammut oil tankers so keep that in mind by plotting waypoints.....if you set too tight waypoint turns you can see AI mess ups too, as it fails to obey your flawed impossible commands...and as a true AI then does not know what to do but keep turning in an infinite loop.

So torpedo acceleration is actually hurting my performance in IJN instead helping ? As it helps targets to evade far easier.....

Is torpedo arming a set ship stat or influeneced by torpedo acceleration ? If it is a set stat that could be very hampering indeed.....i hate targets evading well aimed torpedos, and this damned ship fires only 2 per attack !......the fact that the Kaga is not hindered by this must be it launches 4 torpedo's and not a mere 2.....could it be the ship features ( and me not being able to adapt to them well ) ?

Do you think ( specificly on IJN ) torpedo acceleration is messing with my torpedoing ? I have to lead the ships a rediculous lot negating all benefits faster topredo's should have ( typically WG balancing it out so does not get powerfull i suppose ) as with this huge lead they are still evading them......the tooltip does not mention this drawback.

Why do my other CV not have the same issue then ? That is why i displayed all my T8 CV stats......i could be misplaying the 2 red stat ones ( for GZ that is certain and i know it ) but the others indicate there is not a "L2P" CV issue.

Well one of ther CV was useless not helping their team ( look at how many of their aircraft were shot by useless attacks on my CV ) and still they won.....DD were killed early in match as usual...what else is there to hit, especially if it is breaking through intending to find and kill your CV ? But that was only one match, could just have been better players thrown in with each other by MM.....but i seem to lose most matches with that ( and GZ ) specifically.

Maybe it takes too long to kill important ships compared to other CV ? Because i did remove this guy for 62K dmg but it could have taken too damned long as it is obviously 3 launches or more against it...

When other players just fail to go to the exit, and not get killed hiding behind the island ridges (!) .....you lose time and again. If everyone would just go to the exit in time - and not before time when objectives still could be completed - it would be a very easy Operation. But the human factor makes it one of the hardest Operations to win, just like OP says because even when you have eliminated all enemies, you will still lose when not in the circle with enough ships. And there rarely are...most wins are because the bots delete out of place players so suddenly there are enough players in the circle since that is by percentage. But hiding behind islands frustrates that so they live and lose..... I have no idea why so many players keep failing objectives and display unfitting PvP behaviour like hiding behind island ridges or dancing around incoming fire instead of pushing objectives and killing the enemy. You would swear these must be WOT players with such hiding behind obstacles behaviour, even against scrpited bots....

@MrConway stated this should be a welcoming community. Yet when someone has an opinion, or want to discuss a tactic he is met with "Shut up you are a wall of red stats" or "Listen to better players" with or without actually making screens of someones stats, with intent of "stat shaming" or derating that playerm attempting to make his words without value. Is this welcoming ? Is that a nice community ? Or is it toxic bahaviour derating and belittling anyone that cannot flare pink stats ? Is this the purpose of stats ? I think it is very toxic behaviour ruiining forum enjoyment. It is also a standard buch of hardcore individuals that do this. Prisioners of their own pink stats, they seem to need vent their frustrations on others. This behaviour should stop and it would be best to actually BAN everyone displaying or citing someone elses stats out without that player agreeying with this. This would make the forums less toxic and the moderators less busy and irritated. And it is not a proposed new rule, it is the forum rules. Players should be able to express what they want to say without getting a band of stat shamers react with a string of insults, derating, stat shaming and what not. If you do not stroke their feathers the right way - and God forbid - go against them it's even worse. Whole topics get filled with bickering because of this. It is a bit worrying that this seems to be reviewed as "normal" anyway. But maybe this forum is not what it seems....lets have a little poll what forum members think is normal......

I read up on that...but it appears it will only hide your current stats. The advice someone on the US servers gave was : "If you are flamed for your stats they will still see your old stats so it will not help" wich is exactly what i expect to be happening were i to do it. But it is this whole supriority delusion i question. So you got a bit of practise in a game and got good at it....now what ? Flame others ? You would expect truely intelligent people - those you would expect to have command over tactics and strategy - to have polite and decent manners to express that intelligence.....not behave like savages that insult and flame about anyone with lower then blue stats. This alone made me wonder what it is about stats as an indication of skill to begin with....it just doesn't add up that raving savages can have actual command of tactics and strategy.

While there is a topic started every day to complain how defenceless DD are to CV, yet there seem to be DD that have AA Cruiser up to even CV AA power ( look at the screen, it is on par with the CV's in killing aircraft ) I was attacking an Udaloi when suddenly my whole squadron exploded.....instant.....strange unless there is some hidden AA cruisers shooting at me simultaneaously but there weren't any. Another lauch, trying it again, same results. Sooo...i left that one be and changed to other targets. I always do that when a ship turns out to be quite the "Stachelschwein" no problem at all.....but curious it is. Then the other CV player made a remark in chat he lost a squadron to a DD. And yes, the same Udaloi..... So what is going on ? Not crying nerf here, that is really not my point. Just trying to under stand why this ship is different ( heavier or more Dual Purpose main guns ? ) or if he invested deeply into AA skill that doing funny stuff to his ships hardware. If the latter is the case, all the complaining DD could just be taking the "wrong" skill for survival, still stuck in ancient times builds where CV were not their prime enemy. Then it would be more understandable why WG thinks the game is fine, as players just don't want to use the abilities they have been given, but ignore. Or is this some known bug ? Could such a bug kill squadrons consistently ?

Yes they do.... And even here they flame, insult and actually make my point in aknowledging a below blue stat player is an inferior player that had best keep off these forums. Very welcoming community indeed. Such people make for enjoyable enemies in game though....

Looking at the poll results to now it almost seems this forum is in fact not for discussion but the flare your stats and boast about your performance......anyone not getting that or not worthy due to low stats to be flamed by hell fire...... Remarkable, really....

Did you see any litteral referring to actual stats, display those stats or cite those stats ? No ? Because there wasn't any.... You guys became so frustrated and toxic your ego's are as wide as the earth's atmosfere......How can "Proving the CV class is well balanced" be a bad thing now ? What insult does that include ? Certainly not a reference to bad performace i take it, since everyone knows CV do very well. Even a perceived slight is enough to infuriate you.......what are you doing and why are you doing this anyway ? Does belitteling, derating and stat shaming others make you feel better ? More worthy somehow ? Is my problem i can't see anyone being any more "important" then another ? Because stats are indifferent to me, and a player of this game is just a player of this game to me....

Not at all.....the poll will reveal if it is actually worth my time wrinting something anyway. If the forums is in fact a concentration of toxic pink stats frustrates it is utterly pointless to be here anyway. But it should not be that way as it should be a "welcoming community"

That is my point.....when you are clashing with a concealed other DD - because no one is spotting it but you - getting into a very close distance heated knife fight with guns and torpedo's requiring your utmost concentration......right at that time rocket fighters will be swooping in !! If this kills you, you will feel robbed of a chance to fairly fight an equal opponent. If this kills the enemy DD you will feel robbed of a kill..... Improvement ?

There is no distorted reality in actual displaying my stats without my permission, or citing them without my permission. Yet it is done many times. I want that to stop right here because is is against forum rules and it is making the forum unwelcome to anyone but a "blue/pink stat" status.

No because it then isn't a welcoming forum but a very hostile one to all but blue/pink stat players. It is in fact discrimination. I am sure WG would not like this very much as red/orange/yellow stat players could and probably are customers too.........as for myself i payed WG a sizable sum of money on premium ships - which i enjoy a lot - and premium account. Would WG like customers like me to be chased off by some hardcore (stat) griefers ? Think not...

Wouild that be WG intent ? Allow DD to get some spotting ribbons, making them feel more worthy scouts again ? Or increase their XP/credit income again as these spotting ribbons do have XP/credit rewards at the cost of slighty high CV XP/credit income ? They will run into their still concealed own kind much more then.....which could actually have them sinking just as fast as aircraft attack. Two DD enter, ( a cap ) one DD leaves. And ofcourse when they are fighting another DD, aircraft will come swooping in anyway. I must say i may like it even better, since i will then not lose sight of the DD target even when making long attack run legs. Will be great for improved rocket accuracy since you can aim more precise on always visible targets....

I noticed that too.....no shortage on DD's lately. Oh well i will have to switch back from killing Cruisers begin match to DD again.

Good point.....that will certainly happen. But CV grow in power where other classes get more damaged, scattered and vulenerable.In other words the highest/most effective damage will be achieved mid-late match anyway so having to wait a while will do nothing much but potentially lower total damage a bit. WG must have concluded too many players do too well in CV so results must be lowered a tad. I am still of the conclusion other class players will notice no benficial effects of this so it is not a nerf meant to protect them. It must be a nerf aimed at getting overall results more in line with other classes.